Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 In a message dated 8/3/00 4:09:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rsaling@... writes: << Hi. Anyone who can help me would be greatly appreciated. I learned how to make lotion last year before Christmas so I could give it as gifts. Went wonderful! Lately though, I've run into a problem. After the lotion and/or body cream is made and cooled and poured into containers and ready for use, I scoop some out and there are small beads of water throughout. I tried reducing the water by 2 tablespoons, which made the lotion creamier, but the water droplets remained. What am I doing wrong? I've added the water very slowly, so I don't think that's the problem, but I don't know where to go from here. Could it be that I mixing too long? Don't know and getting frustrated but like making the lotion too much to quit. Besides, I'm stuborn and persistant. Got any suggestions? >> I'm not sure, but a thought would be that it is not completely emulsified. Do you use emulsifying wax? Before I started using ewax, my lotions would separate--the ewax works very well. PS I've been making lotions that are 75% to 80% water with no problem in separation. Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 What's ewax? Is that the same as putting beeswax and " emulisfying " like you do a salad dressing? Barb J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 Yes, I would like to know the difference between ewax and beeswax. I made a lotion also and mine did not turn out so well. I used beeswax and I think I used to much. It called for 2T. and I grated it - was not sure how to measure since it was grated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 Angie! Hi. Thanks for the suggestion. And no, I've never used ewax. Only beeswax. What is the difference? I've read about ewax but there has never been anything explaining the difference between the two. Deby Lotion Recipes > Hi. Anyone who can help me would be greatly appreciated. I learned how to make lotion last year before Christmas so I could give it as gifts. Went wonderful! Lately though, I've run into a problem. After the lotion and/or body cream is made and cooled and poured into containers and ready for use, I scoop some out and there are small beads of water throughout. I tried reducing the water by 2 tablespoons, which made the lotion creamier, but the water droplets remained. What am I doing wrong? I've added the water very slowly, so I don't think that's the problem, but I don't know where to go from here. Could it be that I mixing too long? Don't know and getting frustrated but like making the lotion too much to quit. Besides, I'm stuborn and persistant. Got any suggestions? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 > I've never used ewax. Only > beeswax. What is the difference? I've read about ewax but there has never > been anything explaining the difference between the two. Hi, Emulsifying waxes are actually surfactants, (soaps). Beeswax is used with borax - the borax neutralizes (saponifies) some of the wax and forms a *very weak* soap. HTH, Jen See what's new..... http://labcolours.homestead.com/new.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 LOL, I make candles and have never dealt with making lotions... there is an ewax in candlemaking that is a vegetable wax and now I learn that ewax in toiletries is for making lotions and the like... well if I can't put a wick in it then it isn't for me! LOL Co-owner Toiletries List Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 I believe ewax is a vegetable based wax... like soywax. And is used in candle making. Not sure that it would be suitable for toiletries.. Anyone out there know for sure? Co-owner Toiletries List Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 > I believe ewax is a vegetable based wax... like soywax. And is used > in candle making. Not sure that it would be suitable for > toiletries.. Anyone out there know for sure? Hi, E-wax is one of the industry standards for emulsions. There are other emulsifiers which work differently. There are several on the market so it is not easy for me to make blanket statements about their chemical makeup Some are veggie based and some are not. Basically, all they do is suspend oil droplets in water, just the " how " is a bit different along with the resulting way the emulsion works when applied to skin. I haven't heard of it being used for candles, since there is no water/oil to bind. There are several waxes that cross over in both candles and cosmetics and are safe. HTH, Jen See what's new.... http://labcolours.homestead.com/new.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 Hope I can h*lp a bit with this one... Emulsifying Wax is a nonionic emulsifier, beeswax is not, it's a wax. There are various types/brands of ewax. Ewax is used to emulsify oil-in-water (o/w) emulsions like lotions and creams. They are made up of fatty alcohols (cetyl, stearyl etc.) and are usually proprietary in their exact formula. Emulsifying wax NF is a very easy to use and effective emulsifier and will produce a stable emulsion. It's generally used at a rate of 10-20% by weight of the oil phase (but can be used at a range of 2-25%), melted in the oil phase. It's not used in candles that I know of and is a cosmetic ingredient. Beeswax when used with borax forms a soap that can be used to emulsify water-in-oil (w/o) emulsions. As far as I know this doesn't work in a o/w emulsion, but I don't use beeswax myself. Beeswax on it's own is not an emulsifier. It will thicken and harden something like a cream, but won't keep it from separating. Warmly, Sherri Oshun Spirit Arts Ltd. Mission, BC Canada http://oshun.bc.ca mailto:sherri@... Soap & Cosmetic Ingredients, Packaging, Bulk Toiletries and more... Fall 2000 Catalogue with exciting new products coming very soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2000 Report Share Posted August 3, 2000 Thank you Sherri, for the info. Now I think I understand why my lotions get little beads of water in them. Especially since I don't use borax anymore because I had a reaction to it. Re: Lotion Recipes > Hope I can h*lp a bit with this one... > > Emulsifying Wax is a nonionic emulsifier, beeswax is not, it's a wax. There > are various types/brands of ewax. Ewax is used to emulsify oil-in-water > (o/w) emulsions like lotions and creams. They are made up of fatty alcohols > (cetyl, stearyl etc.) and are usually proprietary in their exact formula. > Emulsifying wax NF is a very easy to use and effective emulsifier and will > produce a stable emulsion. It's generally used at a rate of 10-20% by > weight of the oil phase (but can be used at a range of 2-25%), melted in > the oil phase. It's not used in candles that I know of and is a cosmetic > ingredient. > > Beeswax when used with borax forms a soap that can be used to emulsify > water-in-oil (w/o) emulsions. As far as I know this doesn't work in a o/w > emulsion, but I don't use beeswax myself. Beeswax on it's own is not an > emulsifier. It will thicken and harden something like a cream, but won't > keep it from separating. > > Warmly, > Sherri > > Oshun Spirit Arts Ltd. Mission, BC Canada > http://oshun.bc.ca mailto:sherri@... > Soap & Cosmetic Ingredients, Packaging, Bulk Toiletries and more... > Fall 2000 Catalogue with exciting new products coming very soon > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 >Thank you Sherri, for the info. Now I think I understand why my lotions get >little beads of water in them. Especially since I don't use borax anymore >because I had a reaction to it. Glad the info was of some use. As lovely as some of the w/o creams with the beeswax/borax emulsifier are, I can't use them as the beeswax clogs my pores. Emulsifying wax doesn't so I can use creams and lotions with that just fine. Also I see recipes on this list calling for borax, everything from bath salts to bath bombs. Thought it might be worth noting that sodium borate (borax) is on the FDA's cosmetic hot list and it says " concentration should not exceed 5% " . Warmly, Sherri Oshun Spirit Arts Ltd. Mission, BC Canada http://oshun.bc.ca mailto:sherri@... Soap & Cosmetic Ingredients, Packaging, Bulk Toiletries and more... Fall 2000 Catalogue with exciting new products coming very soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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