Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself...

[Guest guest]

I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).This web page should alleviate anyone's fears of Vitamin D toxicity: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDToxicity.shtml

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:22 PM, hatchjoyce wrote:

Hi Everybody,

Just found out we have toxic black mold in our basement. How wonderful for an asthmatic like me, hahaha! But, it is being taken care of...

Anyway, a while back there were a bunch of posts about Vitamin D, so I wanted to share this info with everybody.

When I was taking 4,000 IUs of Vitamin D a day, my Vitamin D levels kept hovering around 32-33; I just could not get them any higher. (The reference interval is 32-100 ng/mL; the higher the better, in this case.)

At the suggestion of a doctor whom I happened to meet casually, I decided to take 10,000 IUs a day for 6 weeks to see what happened. At the end of 6 weeks, my Vitamin D levels are now 39.5. So, they have increased by about 5 points, but I want to get them to at least 50, so I will continue to take 10,000 IUs per day all winter.

Most people are deficient in Vitamin D, so the moral of the story is--don't be afraid to take "high" doses of Vitamin D. I am, of course, not a doctor, but I have never met anyone who has had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity; the reverse is almost always the case

Joyce

PS--Lea Ann, sorry I could not call this AM; the insurance adjuster was here. When I get my saliva Cortisol and DHEA tests back, I will send you an email to arrange a time to talk.

(I have been self-treating for Adrenal Fatigue for 2 years now and feel better, but by no means great, so I am going to accept Lea Ann's very kind offer of assistance to get my new DO to treat me with Cortisol or Cortef and Armour Thyroid.)

[Guest guest]

So probably the measly 1,000 I take isn't doing too much Maybe I'll up it to 10 for a while. I have not been so hopeful for my health in a long, long time. I began taking niacin yesterday, for my depression. I wish I'd read of that much sooner.

So, between today and Tuesday, I am going to be writing down questions I can think of to ask you - and maybe when I call you to give you my info. for my order, I can take a few minutes of your time and pick your brain a bit about the thyroid issues.

This list is really a blessing! Thank you for all you do for others.

Deb

From: Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...>Subject: Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself... Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:40 AM

I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

[Guest guest]

Deb,For depression during this time of year try a full spectrum light bulb. I found on of these http://www.bluesbuster.com/ at a health food store. That and vitamin D has helped a lotKim in OR

From: Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...>Subject: Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself... Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:40 AM

I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

[Guest guest]

Hey Lea Ann,

What form do you take?  We use the liquid as I had read it is absorbed better. (And it's easier to put a couple drops on my kids tongue!LOL)

 

Stacey

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...> wrote:

 

I test my Vitamin D yearly.  Based on those tests I take  10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

This web page should alleviate anyone's fears of Vitamin D toxicity:  http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDToxicity.shtml

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)www.VitamixLady.comwww..com

<))><

On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:22 PM, hatchjoyce wrote:

 

Hi Everybody,Just found out we have toxic black mold in our basement. How wonderful for an asthmatic like me, hahaha! But, it is being taken care of...Anyway, a while back there were a bunch of posts about Vitamin D, so I wanted to share this info with everybody.

When I was taking 4,000 IUs of Vitamin D a day, my Vitamin D levels kept hovering around 32-33; I just could not get them any higher. (The reference interval is 32-100 ng/mL; the higher the better, in this case.)

At the suggestion of a doctor whom I happened to meet casually, I decided to take 10,000 IUs a day for 6 weeks to see what happened. At the end of 6 weeks, my Vitamin D levels are now 39.5. So, they have increased by about 5 points, but I want to get them to at least 50, so I will continue to take 10,000 IUs per day all winter.

Most people are deficient in Vitamin D, so the moral of the story is--don't be afraid to take " high " doses of Vitamin D. I am, of course, not a doctor, but I have never met anyone who has had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity; the reverse is almost always the case

JoycePS--Lea Ann, sorry I could not call this AM; the insurance adjuster was here. When I get my saliva Cortisol and DHEA tests back, I will send you an email to arrange a time to talk. (I have been self-treating for Adrenal Fatigue for 2 years now and feel better, but by no means great, so I am going to accept Lea Ann's very kind offer of assistance to get my new DO to treat me with Cortisol or Cortef and Armour Thyroid.)

[Guest guest]

I have had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity. After taking about 10,000IU/day for 2 weeks, I started having extreme pain and stiffness in my fingers caused by hypercalcemia. I was taking liquid vitamin D so it was absorbing a lot into my system. I was also taking a liquid vitamin supplement (Body Balance) which has quite a bit of vitamin D in it. I stopped taking the vitamin D and Body Balance for 4 months before the pain and stiffness totally went away. I have started back on my Body Balance now but noooooo vitamin D supplements !

I know most people are low in Vitamin D and don't have a problem taking large doses, but please just be aware that you can overdose and it was very painful so you will notice. It took only 2 wks for me to be in extreme pain and 4 months for it to totally go away.

Also, vitamin D is absorbed by the skin from the sun. If our body does not need more vitamin D, the skin knows how to turn this absorption off. Vitamin D is fat soluable so it can build up in our bodies. I would guess most people are more deficient in the winter months with less sunshine.

From: hatchjoyce <Joyce_Handy@...> Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 11:22:48 PMSubject: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself...

Hi Everybody,Just found out we have toxic black mold in our basement. How wonderful for an asthmatic like me, hahaha! But, it is being taken care of...Anyway, a while back there were a bunch of posts about Vitamin D, so I wanted to share this info with everybody.When I was taking 4,000 IUs of Vitamin D a day, my Vitamin D levels kept hovering around 32-33; I just could not get them any higher. (The reference interval is 32-100 ng/mL; the higher the better, in this case.)At the suggestion of a doctor whom I happened to meet casually, I decided to take 10,000 IUs a day for 6 weeks to see what happened. At the end of 6 weeks, my Vitamin D levels are now 39.5. So, they have increased by about 5 points, but I want to get them to at least 50, so I will continue to take 10,000 IUs per day all winter. Most people are deficient in Vitamin D, so the moral of the story is--don't be afraid to take "high" doses of Vitamin D.

I am, of course, not a doctor, but I have never met anyone who has had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity; the reverse is almost always the case :)JoycePS--Lea Ann, sorry I could not call this AM; the insurance adjuster was here. When I get my saliva Cortisol and DHEA tests back, I will send you an email to arrange a time to talk. (I have been self-treating for Adrenal Fatigue for 2 years now and feel better, but by no means great, so I am going to accept Lea Ann's very kind offer of assistance to get my new DO to treat me with Cortisol or Cortef and Armour Thyroid.)

[Guest guest]

All good to know - thank you!

From: Mustang Sally <memstang68@...>Subject: Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself... Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 9:57 AM

I have had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity. After taking about 10,000IU/day for 2 weeks, I started having extreme pain and stiffness in my fingers caused by hypercalcemia. I was taking liquid vitamin D so it was absorbing a lot into my system. I was also taking a liquid vitamin supplement (Body Balance) which has quite a bit of vitamin D in it. I stopped taking the vitamin D and Body Balance for 4 months before the pain and stiffness totally went away. I have started back on my Body Balance now but noooooo vitamin D supplements !

I know most people are low in Vitamin D and don't have a problem taking large doses, but please just be aware that you can overdose and it was very painful so you will notice. It took only 2 wks for me to be in extreme pain and 4 months for it to totally go away.

Also, vitamin D is absorbed by the skin from the sun. If our body does not need more vitamin D, the skin knows how to turn this absorption off. Vitamin D is fat soluable so it can build up in our bodies. I would guess most people are more deficient in the winter months with less sunshine.

[Guest guest]

It means so much to me Deb to hear you say that because I worry sometimes when we get off topic, but I just can't help myself wanting to help others with the hard-earned knowledge that I've gained. It gives meaning to the years of suffering to think that what I've learned can help others.If you up your Vitamin D it WILL have a positive effect on your depression. I've also had spectacular results with 5HTP. I recommend getting a book on 5HTP so that you can learn how and why it works and learn about side effects, etc.Everything I recommend I think people should use as spring boards for their own research and not just take what works for me and assume that it will work for you. I've done tons of trial and error and I still don't always understand how ALL of the puzzle pieces fit sometimes.Are you taking flush-free Niacin? I tried "regular" Niacin and YEEEOWWWZZZZAAAAA what an experience the "flush" is... I do it now and then, when I remember.

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Jan 29, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Mom2_five wrote:

So probably the measly 1,000 I take isn't doing too much Maybe I'll up it to 10 for a while. I have not been so hopeful for my health in a long, long time. I began taking niacin yesterday, for my depression. I wish I'd read of that much sooner.

So, between today and Tuesday, I am going to be writing down questions I can think of to ask you - and maybe when I call you to give you my info. for my order, I can take a few minutes of your time and pick your brain a bit about the thyroid issues.

This list is really a blessing! Thank you for all you do for others.

Deb

From: Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...>Subject: Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself... Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:40 AM

I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

[Guest guest]

I do both - sometimes pills are easier for me to manage, but when I'm "upping" my dose for illness or "the blues" I use the liquid.

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Jan 29, 2011, at 8:21 AM, asummers asummers wrote:

Hey Lea Ann,

What form do you take? We use the liquid as I had read it is absorbed better. (And it's easier to put a couple drops on my kids tongue!LOL)

Stacey

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:40 AM, Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...> wrote:

I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

This web page should alleviate anyone's fears of Vitamin D toxicity: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDToxicity.shtml

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)www.VitamixLady.comwww..com

<))><

On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:22 PM, hatchjoyce wrote:

Hi Everybody,Just found out we have toxic black mold in our basement. How wonderful for an asthmatic like me, hahaha! But, it is being taken care of...Anyway, a while back there were a bunch of posts about Vitamin D, so I wanted to share this info with everybody.

When I was taking 4,000 IUs of Vitamin D a day, my Vitamin D levels kept hovering around 32-33; I just could not get them any higher. (The reference interval is 32-100 ng/mL; the higher the better, in this case.)

At the suggestion of a doctor whom I happened to meet casually, I decided to take 10,000 IUs a day for 6 weeks to see what happened. At the end of 6 weeks, my Vitamin D levels are now 39.5. So, they have increased by about 5 points, but I want to get them to at least 50, so I will continue to take 10,000 IUs per day all winter.

Most people are deficient in Vitamin D, so the moral of the story is--don't be afraid to take "high" doses of Vitamin D. I am, of course, not a doctor, but I have never met anyone who has had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity; the reverse is almost always the case

JoycePS--Lea Ann, sorry I could not call this AM; the insurance adjuster was here. When I get my saliva Cortisol and DHEA tests back, I will send you an email to arrange a time to talk. (I have been self-treating for Adrenal Fatigue for 2 years now and feel better, but by no means great, so I am going to accept Lea Ann's very kind offer of assistance to get my new DO to treat me with Cortisol or Cortef and Armour Thyroid.)

[Guest guest]

,This is good to hear to caution people and to encourage annual testing. Did you have the 25 (OH)D test before you began supplementing? Based on the link I posted, if only 10,000 IU gave you hypercalcemia, I would recommend a follow up with your physician to find out why...Vitamin D hypersensitivity syndromes are often mistaken for vitamin D toxicity, as they cause hypercalcemia. The most common is primary hyperparathyroidism although some cases of "primary" hyperparathyroidism are actually secondary to Vitamin D deficiency. Patients with hyperparathyroidism should only take vitamin D under the care of a knowledgeable endocrinologist. Granulomatous diseases such as sarcoidosis, granulomatous TB, and some cancers can also cause Vitamin D hypersensitivity, as the granuloma or the tumor may make excessive amounts of activated Vitamin D, thus raising serum calcium. These patients should not take vitamin D except when under the care of a knowledgeable physician. Other syndromes occur when abnormal tissue subverts the kidney's normal regulation of endocrine calcitriol production. Aberrant tissues, usuallygranulomatous, convert 25(OH)D into calcitriol causing high blood calcium. The most common such conditions are sarcoidosis, oat cell carcinoma of the lung, and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma but other illnesses can cause the syndrome and they can occur while the patient's 25(OH)D levels are normal, or even low. For that reason, while rare, it is advisable to seek a knowledgeable physician's care when repleting your vitamin D system, especially if you are older, have sarcoidosis, cancer, or other granulomatous diseases. In such high-risk patients, periodic monitoring of 25(OH)D levels and serum calcium will alert the physician to the need to do more tests—such as calcitriol or PTH—and take further action.It seems clear that restoring physiological serum levels of 25(OH)D will help many more patients that it will hurt. In fact, living in America today while worrying about vitamin D toxicity is like dying of thirst in the desert while worrying about drowning.

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Jan 29, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Mustang Sally wrote:

I have had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity. After taking about 10,000IU/day for 2 weeks, I started having extreme pain and stiffness in my fingers caused by hypercalcemia. I was taking liquid vitamin D so it was absorbing a lot into my system. I was also taking a liquid vitamin supplement (Body Balance) which has quite a bit of vitamin D in it. I stopped taking the vitamin D and Body Balance for 4 months before the pain and stiffness totally went away. I have started back on my Body Balance now but noooooo vitamin D supplements !

I know most people are low in Vitamin D and don't have a problem taking large doses, but please just be aware that you can overdose and it was very painful so you will notice. It took only 2 wks for me to be in extreme pain and 4 months for it to totally go away.

Also, vitamin D is absorbed by the skin from the sun. If our body does not need more vitamin D, the skin knows how to turn this absorption off. Vitamin D is fat soluable so it can build up in our bodies. I would guess most people are more deficient in the winter months with less sunshine.

From: hatchjoyce <Joyce_Handy@...> Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 11:22:48 PMSubject: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself... Hi Everybody,Just found out we have toxic black mold in our basement. How wonderful for an asthmatic like me, hahaha! But, it is being taken care of...Anyway, a while back there were a bunch of posts about Vitamin D, so I wanted to share this info with everybody.When I was taking 4,000 IUs of Vitamin D a day, my Vitamin D levels kept hovering around 32-33; I just could not get them any higher. (The reference interval is 32-100 ng/mL; the higher the better, in this case.)At the suggestion of a doctor whom I happened to meet casually, I decided to take 10,000 IUs a day for 6 weeks to see what happened. At the end of 6 weeks, my Vitamin D levels are now 39.5. So, they have increased by about 5 points, but I want to get them to at least 50, so I will continue to take 10,000 IUs per day all winter. Most people are deficient in Vitamin D, so the moral of the story is--don't be afraid to take "high" doses of Vitamin D.

I am, of course, not a doctor, but I have never met anyone who has had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity; the reverse is almost always the case :)JoycePS--Lea Ann, sorry I could not call this AM; the insurance adjuster was here. When I get my saliva Cortisol and DHEA tests back, I will send you an email to arrange a time to talk. (I have been self-treating for Adrenal Fatigue for 2 years now and feel better, but by no means great, so I am going to accept Lea Ann's very kind offer of assistance to get my new DO to treat me with Cortisol or Cortef and Armour Thyroid.)

[Guest guest]

I use full spectrum lighting for growing plants indoors, and I will say that I notice a clear difference in my mood when I am not growing anything. I am a happy person by nature, and pretty much the only time I feel "blue" is when I don't get enough sun, or have my lights burning. I have experimented a few times with turning them on when I feel down, and the difference is notable. I also know that I feel my very best during gardening season when I am in the sun more.

From: Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...>Subject: Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself... Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:40 AM

I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I have a double whammy the sun almost never shows itself here this time of year. I am also a night shift working person. If the sun did shine I wouldn't see it.I am very glad I found the full spectrum light bulbsKim in OR

From: Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...>Subject: Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself... Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:40 AM

I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

[Guest guest]

I had some incandescent full-spectrum bulbs that literally lasted YEARS. I don't think the company that manufactures them is around anymore, though.

Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself...

Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:40 AM

I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

[Guest guest]

I am looooooving this thread. Just wanted to pipe in. I just started 5htp and it is awesome! Do y'all take vit d straight from a particular brand or in the form of cod liver oil (clo)?Peace,ZoeOn Jan 29, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...> wrote:

It means so much to me Deb to hear you say that because I worry sometimes when we get off topic, but I just can't help myself wanting to help others with the hard-earned knowledge that I've gained. It gives meaning to the years of suffering to think that what I've learned can help others.If you up your Vitamin D it WILL have a positive effect on your depression. I've also had spectacular results with 5HTP. I recommend getting a book on 5HTP so that you can learn how and why it works and learn about side effects, etc.Everything I recommend I think people should use as spring boards for their own research and not just take what works for me and assume that it will work for you. I've done tons of trial and error and I still don't always understand how ALL of the puzzle pieces fit sometimes.Are you taking flush-free Niacin? I tried "regular" Niacin and YEEEOWWWZZZZAAAAA what an experience the "flush" is... I do it now and then, when I remember.

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Jan 29, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Mom2_five wrote:

So probably the measly 1,000 I take isn't doing too much Maybe I'll up it to 10 for a while. I have not been so hopeful for my health in a long, long time. I began taking niacin yesterday, for my depression. I wish I'd read of that much sooner.

So, between today and Tuesday, I am going to be writing down questions I can think of to ask you - and maybe when I call you to give you my info. for my order, I can take a few minutes of your time and pick your brain a bit about the thyroid issues.

This list is really a blessing! Thank you for all you do for others.

Deb

From: Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...>Subject: Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself... Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:40 AM

I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

[Guest guest]

My doctor has me on 2,000 per day and I have noticed , my memory and finding things I loose is now 75% better so, I can't say I have sometimers anymore.

-- Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself...

I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

This web page should alleviate anyone's fears of Vitamin D toxicity: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDToxicity.shtml

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Jan 28, 2011, at 11:22 PM, hatchjoyce wrote:

Hi Everybody,Just found out we have toxic black mold in our basement. How wonderful for an asthmatic like me, hahaha! But, it is being taken care of...Anyway, a while back there were a bunch of posts about Vitamin D, so I wanted to share this info with everybody.When I was taking 4,000 IUs of Vitamin D a day, my Vitamin D levels kept hovering around 32-33; I just could not get them any higher. (The reference interval is 32-100 ng/mL; the higher the better, in this case.)At the suggestion of a doctor whom I happened to meet casually, I decided to take 10,000 IUs a day for 6 weeks to see what happened. At the end of 6 weeks, my Vitamin D levels are now 39.5. So, they have increased by about 5 points, but I want to get them to at least 50, so I will continue to take 10,000 IUs per day all winter. Most people are deficient in Vitamin D, so the moral of the story is--don't be afraid to take "high" doses of Vitamin D. I am, of course, not a doctor, but I have never met anyone who has had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity; the reverse is almost always the case :)JoycePS--Lea Ann, sorry I could not call this AM; the insurance adjuster was here. When I get my saliva Cortisol and DHEA tests back, I will send you an email to arrange a time to talk. (I have been self-treating for Adrenal Fatigue for 2 years now and feel better, but by no means great, so I am going to accept Lea Ann's very kind offer of assistance to get my new DO to treat me with Cortisol or Cortef and Armour Thyroid.)

[Guest guest]

I suppose it is possible that what you experienced was from Vitamin D, but unless you had your levels tested and know for sure that it was extremely high, I don't think you can be positive about it. Just my opinion though.

Fran

In a message dated 1/29/2011 9:57:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, memstang68@... writes:

I have had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity. After taking about 10,000IU/day for 2 weeks, I started having extreme pain and stiffness in my fingers caused by hypercalcemia. I was taking liquid vitamin D so it was absorbing a lot into my system. I was also taking a liquid vitamin supplement (Body Balance) which has quite a bit of vitamin D in it. I stopped taking the vitamin D and Body Balance for 4 months before the pain and stiffness totally went away. I have started back on my Body Balance now but noooooo vitamin D supplements !

I know most people are low in Vitamin D and don't have a problem taking large doses, but please just be aware that you can overdose and it was very painful so you will notice. It took only 2 wks for me to be in extreme pain and 4 months for it to totally go away.

Also, vitamin D is absorbed by the skin from the sun. If our body does not need more vitamin D, the skin knows how to turn this absorption off. Vitamin D is fat soluable so it can build up in our bodies. I would guess most people are more deficient in the winter months with less sunshine.

From: hatchjoyce <Joyce_Handy@...> Sent: Fri, January 28, 2011 11:22:48 PMSubject: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself...

Hi Everybody,Just found out we have toxic black mold in our basement. How wonderful for an asthmatic like me, hahaha! But, it is being taken care of...Anyway, a while back there were a bunch of posts about Vitamin D, so I wanted to share this info with everybody.When I was taking 4,000 IUs of Vitamin D a day, my Vitamin D levels kept hovering around 32-33; I just could not get them any higher. (The reference interval is 32-100 ng/mL; the higher the better, in this case.)At the suggestion of a doctor whom I happened to meet casually, I decided to take 10,000 IUs a day for 6 weeks to see what happened. At the end of 6 weeks, my Vitamin D levels are now 39.5. So, they have increased by about 5 points, but I want to get them to at least 50, so I will continue to take 10,000 IUs per day all winter. Most people are deficient in Vitamin D, so the moral of the story is--don't be afraid to take "high" doses of Vitamin D. I am, of course, not a doctor, but I have never met anyone who has had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity; the reverse is almost always the case :)JoycePS--Lea Ann, sorry I could not call this AM; the insurance adjuster was here. When I get my saliva Cortisol and DHEA tests back, I will send you an email to arrange a time to talk. (I have been self-treating for Adrenal Fatigue for 2 years now and feel better, but by no means great, so I am going to accept Lea Ann's very kind offer of assistance to get my new DO to treat me with Cortisol or Cortef and Armour Thyroid.)

[Guest guest]

,

You are not alone with Vit D toxicity.

I am finding that there seems to be a subset of people, including myself, for

whom taking even less than 8,000 IU/day, and even much less, causes us to become

very ill, despite lab values showing low, and I am on a mission to find out why

this would be the case.

About 2.5 years ago I started increasing my Vit. D to 2,000 IU/day based on my

25 OH D lab value of 24. Within a couple weeks I felt awful--aching all over,

headaches, debilitating fatigue. I finally decided it had to be the D, stopped

it, and improved. My friend was taking 8,000 IU/day based on low lab values

and also had similar symptoms. She's tried re-introducing the D, but the same

symptoms occur.

Recently my Vit D levels were 34, and my doctor wanted me to increase it.

Memory of the last experience having faded, I started taking 2,000-4,000 IU/day.

After about 2 weeks I was feeling wretched--Headaches, low backache that

wouldn't go away, aches and pains everywhere, some were chest pains which were

very concerning. Then Sunday I was in the kitchen and suddenly I felt this

horrid tightness all across my upper back that radiated to the ribs on either

side, and it worsened to where I couldn't take a deep breath without pain. Then

I started getting painful twinges in the right flank area which I am convinced

was a kidney stone moving down the ureter, and I've never had one. I was

beside myself, thinking I must have some terrible disease and was sure I was

going to end up in the ER. I also had low energy and developed diarrhea and

abdominal pain.

I am on many thyroid and other forums on the internet so as I was reading them,

there were some threads about Vitamin D. While the majority of the people

posting felt it had helped them immensely, there always seemed to be one or two

like me who felt terrible taking it, and not just high doses, either. So I

finally realized it was the D causing my problem.

I immediately stopped taking it, and started taking Vit. A, Vit K, and Vit E,

based on the excellent writings of Masterjohn on the properties and

actions of these fat-soluble vitamins and how taking them together prevents

toxicity from taking one alone. Within a day of doing this I started feeling

better. This is now the third day and I no longer feel like I was going to have

to go to the ER.

I have only used D3.

I have several studies showing the long-term effects of too much D, and the

amounts that can cause problems are even lower than are currently being touted.

It's been shown that there are people who have an aberration in the VDR--vitamin

D receptor--that causes dysregulation of Vit. D metabolism. And it's important

to recognize that there needs to be a balance of the fat-soluble vitamins.

http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2009/04/tufts-university-confirms-that-vi\

tamin.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/is-vitamin-d-safe-still-depends-on-vitamins-a-\

and-k-testimonials-and-a-human-study.html

It can take years for the calcium to build up in the vessels and start causing

heart disease, kidney problems, etc. It should be noted that magnesium also

must be balanced with Vit D.

It should be noted that there are experts who disagree as to the optimal Vit D

levels and feel the levels currently being recommended by Hollick and Canell are

too high. I fear too many are jumping on the Vit D bandwagon and are being the

guinea pigs when there are no long-term studies showing the safety of such high

amounts.

u

>

> I have had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity.  After taking about

10,000IU/day

> for 2 weeks, I started having extreme pain and stiffness in my fingers caused

by

> hypercalcemia.  I was taking liquid vitamin D so it was absorbing a lot into

my

> system.  I was also taking a liquid vitamin supplement (Body Balance) which

has

> quite a bit of vitamin D in it.  I stopped taking the vitamin D and Body

Balance

> for 4 months before the pain and stiffness totally went away.   I have

started

> back on my Body Balance now but noooooo vitamin D supplements !

>

> I know most people are low in Vitamin D and don't have a problem taking large

> doses, but please just be aware that you can overdose and it was very painful

so

> you will notice.  It took only 2 wks for me to be in extreme pain and 4

months

> for it to totally go away.

>

> Also, vitamin D is absorbed by the skin from the sun.  If our body does not

need

> more vitamin D, the skin knows how to turn this absorption off.  Vitamin D is

> fat soluable so it can build up in our bodies.  I would guess most people are

> more deficient in the winter months with less sunshine.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is excellent information -thanks! I love information that comes from the Weston Price foundation.

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Jan 29, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Cin wrote:

,

You are not alone with Vit D toxicity.

I am finding that there seems to be a subset of people, including myself, for whom taking even less than 8,000 IU/day, and even much less, causes us to become very ill, despite lab values showing low, and I am on a mission to find out why this would be the case.

About 2.5 years ago I started increasing my Vit. D to 2,000 IU/day based on my 25 OH D lab value of 24. Within a couple weeks I felt awful--aching all over, headaches, debilitating fatigue. I finally decided it had to be the D, stopped it, and improved. My friend was taking 8,000 IU/day based on low lab values and also had similar symptoms. She's tried re-introducing the D, but the same symptoms occur.

Recently my Vit D levels were 34, and my doctor wanted me to increase it. Memory of the last experience having faded, I started taking 2,000-4,000 IU/day. After about 2 weeks I was feeling wretched--Headaches, low backache that wouldn't go away, aches and pains everywhere, some were chest pains which were very concerning. Then Sunday I was in the kitchen and suddenly I felt this horrid tightness all across my upper back that radiated to the ribs on either side, and it worsened to where I couldn't take a deep breath without pain. Then I started getting painful twinges in the right flank area which I am convinced was a kidney stone moving down the ureter, and I've never had one. I was beside myself, thinking I must have some terrible disease and was sure I was going to end up in the ER. I also had low energy and developed diarrhea and abdominal pain.

I am on many thyroid and other forums on the internet so as I was reading them, there were some threads about Vitamin D. While the majority of the people posting felt it had helped them immensely, there always seemed to be one or two like me who felt terrible taking it, and not just high doses, either. So I finally realized it was the D causing my problem.

I immediately stopped taking it, and started taking Vit. A, Vit K, and Vit E, based on the excellent writings of Masterjohn on the properties and actions of these fat-soluble vitamins and how taking them together prevents toxicity from taking one alone. Within a day of doing this I started feeling better. This is now the third day and I no longer feel like I was going to have to go to the ER.

I have only used D3.

I have several studies showing the long-term effects of too much D, and the amounts that can cause problems are even lower than are currently being touted. It's been shown that there are people who have an aberration in the VDR--vitamin D receptor--that causes dysregulation of Vit. D metabolism. And it's important to recognize that there needs to be a balance of the fat-soluble vitamins.

http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2009/04/tufts-university-confirms-that-vitamin.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/is-vitamin-d-safe-still-depends-on-vitamins-a-and-k-testimonials-and-a-human-study.html

It can take years for the calcium to build up in the vessels and start causing heart disease, kidney problems, etc. It should be noted that magnesium also must be balanced with Vit D.

It should be noted that there are experts who disagree as to the optimal Vit D levels and feel the levels currently being recommended by Hollick and Canell are too high. I fear too many are jumping on the Vit D bandwagon and are being the guinea pigs when there are no long-term studies showing the safety of such high amounts.

u

>

> I have had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity. After taking about 10,000IU/day

> for 2 weeks, I started having extreme pain and stiffness in my fingers caused by

> hypercalcemia. I was taking liquid vitamin D so it was absorbing a lot into my

> system. I was also taking a liquid vitamin supplement (Body Balance) which has

> quite a bit of vitamin D in it. I stopped taking the vitamin D and Body Balance

> for 4 months before the pain and stiffness totally went away.  I have started

> back on my Body Balance now but noooooo vitamin D supplements !

>

> I know most people are low in Vitamin D and don't have a problem taking large

> doses, but please just be aware that you can overdose and it was very painful so

> you will notice. It took only 2 wks for me to be in extreme pain and 4 months

> for it to totally go away.

>

> Also, vitamin D is absorbed by the skin from the sun. If our body does not need

> more vitamin D, the skin knows how to turn this absorption off. Vitamin D is

> fat soluable so it can build up in our bodies. I would guess most people are

> more deficient in the winter months with less sunshine.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Lea Ann. Hope I'm not overdoing it. Nutrition and health have been my

passion for many years so I'm always searching for answers to health issues.

I've been able to overcome some health challenges I've had. While I would have

preferred to never have had them in the first place, I believe God challenged me

with them so I could learn and help others, which I've been able to do.

>

> This is excellent information -thanks! I love information that comes

from the Weston Price foundation.

>

> Blessings,

> Lea Ann Savage

> Satellite Beach, FL

> (321) 773-7088 (home)

> (321-961-9219 (cell)

> www.VitamixLady.com

> www..com

> <))><

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have avoided jumping in on this thread for a variety of reasons, but have to throw my two cents worth in on the possible toxicity issue. It's important to remember with ANY medication, supplement, vitamin, etc., that the pills don't contain "just" the intended nutrient or medication. Pills are bound with wheat, soy, or corn starch, binders, and very often lactose. People who are sensitive to any of these things can have a toxic type reaction. Some say the amount is too small to matter, but if you are getting the intended substance from the pill, it stands to reason that the unintended binders can be just as much of a problem as the beneficial stuff. For those with lactose intolerance, taking a pill that is bound with lactose is the same as drinking a glass of milk. I have to have any medications, including my armour thyroid

specially compounded to avoid my allergens. This was a huge missing piece of the puzzle for me. In other words, someone may "react" to Vitamin D, and assume it is the Vitamin, when it is in fact a filler or binder in that particular pill. Same goes for most thyroid medications and supplements. From: Cin <b53cjf@...>Subject: Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself... Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 6:13 PM

,

You are not alone with Vit D toxicity.

I am finding that there seems to be a subset of people, including myself, for whom taking even less than 8,000 IU/day, and even much less, causes us to become very ill, despite lab values showing low, and I am on a mission to find out why this would be the case.

About 2.5 years ago I started increasing my Vit. D to 2,000 IU/day based on my 25 OH D lab value of 24. Within a couple weeks I felt awful--aching all over, headaches, debilitating fatigue. I finally decided it had to be the D, stopped it, and improved. My friend was taking 8,000 IU/day based on low lab values and also had similar symptoms. She's tried re-introducing the D, but the same symptoms occur.

Recently my Vit D levels were 34, and my doctor wanted me to increase it. Memory of the last experience having faded, I started taking 2,000-4,000 IU/day. After about 2 weeks I was feeling wretched--Headaches, low backache that wouldn't go away, aches and pains everywhere, some were chest pains which were very concerning. Then Sunday I was in the kitchen and suddenly I felt this horrid tightness all across my upper back that radiated to the ribs on either side, and it worsened to where I couldn't take a deep breath without pain. Then I started getting painful twinges in the right flank area which I am convinced was a kidney stone moving down the ureter, and I've never had one. I was beside myself, thinking I must have some terrible disease and was sure I was going to end up in the ER. I also had low energy and developed diarrhea and abdominal pain.

I am on many thyroid and other forums on the internet so as I was reading them, there were some threads about Vitamin D. While the majority of the people posting felt it had helped them immensely, there always seemed to be one or two like me who felt terrible taking it, and not just high doses, either. So I finally realized it was the D causing my problem.

I immediately stopped taking it, and started taking Vit. A, Vit K, and Vit E, based on the excellent writings of Masterjohn on the properties and actions of these fat-soluble vitamins and how taking them together prevents toxicity from taking one alone. Within a day of doing this I started feeling better. This is now the third day and I no longer feel like I was going to have to go to the ER.

I have only used D3.

I have several studies showing the long-term effects of too much D, and the amounts that can cause problems are even lower than are currently being touted. It's been shown that there are people who have an aberration in the VDR--vitamin D receptor--that causes dysregulation of Vit. D metabolism. And it's important to recognize that there needs to be a balance of the fat-soluble vitamins.

http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2009/04/tufts-university-confirms-that-vitamin.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/is-vitamin-d-safe-still-depends-on-vitamins-a-and-k-testimonials-and-a-human-study.html

It can take years for the calcium to build up in the vessels and start causing heart disease, kidney problems, etc. It should be noted that magnesium also must be balanced with Vit D.

It should be noted that there are experts who disagree as to the optimal Vit D levels and feel the levels currently being recommended by Hollick and Canell are too high. I fear too many are jumping on the Vit D bandwagon and are being the guinea pigs when there are no long-term studies showing the safety of such high amounts.

u

>

> I have had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity. After taking about 10,000IU/day

> for 2 weeks, I started having extreme pain and stiffness in my fingers caused by

> hypercalcemia. I was taking liquid vitamin D so it was absorbing a lot into my

> system. I was also taking a liquid vitamin supplement (Body Balance) which has

> quite a bit of vitamin D in it. I stopped taking the vitamin D and Body Balance

> for 4 months before the pain and stiffness totally went away.  I have started

> back on my Body Balance now but noooooo vitamin D supplements !

>

> I know most people are low in Vitamin D and don't have a problem taking large

> doses, but please just be aware that you can overdose and it was very painful so

> you will notice. It took only 2 wks for me to be in extreme pain and 4 months

> for it to totally go away.

>

> Also, vitamin D is absorbed by the skin from the sun. If our body does not need

> more vitamin D, the skin knows how to turn this absorption off. Vitamin D is

> fat soluable so it can build up in our bodies. I would guess most people are

> more deficient in the winter months with less sunshine.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Good points. I know I am not reacting to anything in the Vit D, just the dose

amount. I've never really had reactions to anything in vitamins, but then I am

careful to buy capsules rather than tablets, with either no or a minimum of

excipients, and from companies known to have high standards. But people do need

to take into account the possibility of those additives causing reactions.

>

> I have avoided jumping in on this thread for a variety of reasons, but have to

throw my two cents worth in on the possible toxicity issue.  It's important to

remember with ANY medication, supplement, vitamin, etc., that the pills don't

contain " just " the intended nutrient or medication.  Pills are bound with

wheat, soy, or corn starch, binders, and very often lactose.  People who are

sensitive to any of these things can have a toxic type reaction.  Some say the

amount is too small to matter, but if you are getting the intended substance

from the pill, it stands to reason that the unintended binders can be just as

much of a problem as the beneficial stuff.  For those with lactose intolerance,

taking a pill that is bound with lactose is the same as drinking a glass of

milk.  I have to have any medications, including my armour thyroid specially

compounded to avoid my allergens.  This was a huge missing piece of the puzzle

for me.  In other words,

> someone may " react " to Vitamin D, and assume it is the Vitamin, when it is in

fact a filler or binder in that particular pill.  Same goes for most thyroid

medications and supplements. 

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, have you checked Dr. Mercola's website? He is a BIG proponent of Vitamin D3 and seems to know a lot about it. Also Google " Wolfe D3" (no quotes) and see if he has anything to say about it. Both of these guys are legit I believe.Peggy

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

Just curious, how much and when are you taking the 5HTP?

I take sub-lingual Vit D tabs, because they are very high dose, 5,000 and 10,000

IUs and they are tiny and just melt under your tongue--less pills to swallow.

I also take CLO because to my knowledge, it is also the best possible food

source of Vitamin A.

Here is a link about the best types of CLO if you scroll down towards the

bottom: http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/238-cod-liver-oil-basics.html

And, yes, Lea Ann, is really awesome for letting us post so much OT stuff--it's

almost like the site has taken on a life of its own and flows in whatever

direction is needed to meet the needs of its members!

Joyce

> >>

> >> From: Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...>

> >> Subject: Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself...

> >>

> >> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:40 AM

> >>

> >>

> >> I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in

the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any

kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an

antibiotic).

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That was really informative! I actually do take Cod Liver Oil for its Vitamin A

content, and Vit K2--found in the butter fat of the milk of pastured cows, but

not in grain fed cows. You can buy it as a supplement called X-Factor Gold High

Vitamin Butter Oil from Green Pastures. It was " discovered " by Weston A Price,

whose Foundation website you have referenced. Thanks again!

Joyce

> >

> > I have had a problem with Vitamin D toxicity.  After taking about

10,000IU/day

> > for 2 weeks, I started having extreme pain and stiffness in my fingers

caused by

> > hypercalcemia.  I was taking liquid vitamin D so it was absorbing a lot

into my

> > system.  I was also taking a liquid vitamin supplement (Body Balance) which

has

> > quite a bit of vitamin D in it.  I stopped taking the vitamin D and Body

Balance

> > for 4 months before the pain and stiffness totally went away.   I have

started

> > back on my Body Balance now but noooooo vitamin D supplements !

> >

> > I know most people are low in Vitamin D and don't have a problem taking

large

> > doses, but please just be aware that you can overdose and it was very

painful so

> > you will notice.  It took only 2 wks for me to be in extreme pain and 4

months

> > for it to totally go away.

> >

> > Also, vitamin D is absorbed by the skin from the sun.  If our body does not

need

> > more vitamin D, the skin knows how to turn this absorption off.  Vitamin D

is

> > fat soluable so it can build up in our bodies.  I would guess most people

are

> > more deficient in the winter months with less sunshine.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, Joyce! Have you read The Diet Cure by Ross? Highly recommended! She suggests taking 50-100 mgs two to three times a day. I take it mid morning, mid afternoon, and before bed. I felt different almost immediately! Yay! If your thyroid is low the response could be little to nothing. Helpful indicator! Peace,ZoeOn Jan 29, 2011, at 11:22 PM, "hatchjoyce" <Joyce_Handy@...> wrote:

Hi Zoe,

Just curious, how much and when are you taking the 5HTP?

I take sub-lingual Vit D tabs, because they are very high dose, 5,000 and 10,000 IUs and they are tiny and just melt under your tongue--less pills to swallow.

I also take CLO because to my knowledge, it is also the best possible food source of Vitamin A.

Here is a link about the best types of CLO if you scroll down towards the bottom: http://www.westonaprice.org/cod-liver-oil/238-cod-liver-oil-basics.html

And, yes, Lea Ann, is really awesome for letting us post so much OT stuff--it's almost like the site has taken on a life of its own and flows in whatever direction is needed to meet the needs of its members!

Joyce

> >>

> >> From: Lea Ann Savage <lsavage@...>

> >> Subject: Re: My Vitamin D Experiment on Myself...

> >>

> >> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 7:40 AM

> >>

> >>

> >> I test my Vitamin D yearly. Based on those tests I take 10,000 Vit. D in the winter months and 5,000 in the summer months and when I feel a cold or any kind of illness coming on I take 50,000 mg per day for 3 days (works like an antibiotic).

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce,

I take the combo product from Green Pastures with the fish oil and butter oil

combined. Had to do the capsules, the gel is just too awful tasting, lol.

>

> That was really informative! I actually do take Cod Liver Oil for its Vitamin

A content, and Vit K2--found in the butter fat of the milk of pastured cows, but

not in grain fed cows. You can buy it as a supplement called X-Factor Gold High

Vitamin Butter Oil from Green Pastures. It was " discovered " by Weston A Price,

whose Foundation website you have referenced. Thanks again!

>

> Joyce

>