OT: Has Anyone Used Transdermal Magnesium?

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I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

and here's a link for the " definitive " book about it:

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it might be

helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine relief. I take

1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the above issues, so I

thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil on Amazon, there

are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and health problems

it has helped.

Any thoughts?

Joyce

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Joyce:

Many of these trans-dermal supplements and creams do not end up entering the

body in appreciable amounts through the skin.

Chronic shoulder spasms and headaches make me think that a chiropractor may

benefit you (yes, I'm a chiropractor and a bit biased, but I'm also not the

" normal breed " of chiropractor...) more than a trans-dermal magnesium

application.

Also consider calcium levels and supplementation which can also be important

for muscle spasms, not to mention potassium.

- Dow, D.C.

>

> I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:

>

> http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

>

> and here's a link for the " definitive " book about it:

>

> http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

>

> I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it might be

helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine relief. I take

1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the above issues, so I

thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil on Amazon, there

are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and health problems

it has helped.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Joyce

>

[Guest guest]

Along those lines, isn't it important to take magnesium in balance with calcium--isn't there some symbiosis there? A gram of magnesium seems like a lot to take without calcium.

Re: OT: Has Anyone Used Transdermal Magnesium?

Joyce:

Many of these trans-dermal supplements and creams do not end up entering the body in appreciable amounts through the skin.

Chronic shoulder spasms and headaches make me think that a chiropractor may benefit you (yes, I'm a chiropractor and a bit biased, but I'm also not the "normal breed" of chiropractor...) more than a trans-dermal magnesium application.

Also consider calcium levels and supplementation which can also be important for muscle spasms, not to mention potassium.

- Dow, D.C.

>

> I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:

>

> http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

>

> and here's a link for the "definitive" book about it:

>

> http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

>

> I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it might be helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine relief. I take 1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the above issues, so I thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil on Amazon, there are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and health problems it has helped.

>

> Any thoughts?

>

> Joyce

[Guest guest]

That's correct -- which is often why you find Ca/Mg supplements. Also, the form

of calcium is important, with Calcium Lactate being the " best " (more

bioavailable) followed by Ca Citrates (and derivatives).. Calcium Carbonate

(oyster shell) is probably the least bioavailable. I haven't heard much about

the form of Magnesium being important, but they (Ca/Mg) should be taken in

proportion to each other.

> & gt;

> & gt; I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:

> & gt;

> & gt; http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

> & gt;

> & gt; and here's a link for the " definitive " book about it:

> & gt;

> & gt;

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

> & gt;

> & gt; I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it

might be helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine

relief. I take 1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the

above issues, so I thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil

on Amazon, there are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and

health problems it has helped.

> & gt;

> & gt; Any thoughts?

> & gt;

> & gt; Joyce

>

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When I remember I take calcium in a powder form.

You can add it to the smoothie.

The book the calcium factor has some interesting info in it.

I get my stuff from Vitacost usually as they carry other things I use so

I can save on shipping with one stop shopping.

Tony

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Vitacost ROCKS. The have excellent prices and a low flat-ship rate regardless of how much you order. They'll also try to special order items you want.

The Supplement Warehouse has even better prices but they're not as well set up and are a pain in the posterior to try to contact; they also don't ship as fast as Vitacost. Check out both but my preference is for Vitacost.

Re: OT: Has Anyone Used Transdermal Magnesium?

When I remember I take calcium in a powder form.

You can add it to the smoothie.

The book the calcium factor has some interesting info in it.

I get my stuff from Vitacost usually as they carry other things I use so

I can save on shipping with one stop shopping.

[Guest guest]

According to the two nutritionists I have worked with, magnesium oxide is the

cheapest and least bioavailable form, used extensively in supplements. Both

say that other forms of magnesium are preferred to magnesium oxide, for oral

use. They both also said don't bother with calcium carbonate since your body is

not using the majority of it.

Sandy

>

> That's correct -- which is often why you find Ca/Mg supplements. Also, the

form of calcium is important, with Calcium Lactate being the " best " (more

bioavailable) followed by Ca Citrates (and derivatives).. Calcium Carbonate

(oyster shell) is probably the least bioavailable. I haven't heard much about

the form of Magnesium being important, but they (Ca/Mg) should be taken in

proportion to each other.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I have been seeing chiropractors for about 5 years now and it hasn't really

helped. However, I am otimistic about my newest chiropractor; he practises the

" Pettibon " Technique, so I wear a head weight for about 15 mins every night

while " wobbling " on a " wobble " chair. It is to retrain my neck muscles to pull

my head back into proper alignment, and it really seems to be working. I also

stretch my neck twice a day on an over-the door-traction device, which also

seems to help. Any other suggestions?

I also have a sleep disorder called " hypersomnolence " which is related to

narcolepsy. I get very little REM sleep and experience " frequent night time

arousals " during which I am awake and not aware of it. (I had 2 sleep studies

done.) I suspect that the neck and shoulder spasms are related to that.

Any further advice would be appreciated!

thanks,

Joyce

> & gt;

> & gt; I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:

> & gt;

> & gt; http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

> & gt;

> & gt; and here's a link for the " definitive " book about it:

> & gt;

> & gt;

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

> & gt;

> & gt; I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it

might be helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine

relief. I take 1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the

above issues, so I thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil

on Amazon, there are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and

health problems it has helped.

> & gt;

> & gt; Any thoughts?

> & gt;

> & gt; Joyce

>

[Guest guest]

Joyce: Get thee to an acupuncturist... (I also do acupuncture :-) ...

I've worked miracles with acupuncture on tough situations like yours...

We now return to our regularly scheduled program, already in progress.

- Dow, D.C.

> > & gt;

> > & gt; I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:

> > & gt;

> > & gt;

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

> > & gt;

> > & gt; and here's a link for the " definitive " book about it:

> > & gt;

> > & gt;

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

> > & gt;

> > & gt; I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it

might be helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine

relief. I take 1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the

above issues, so I thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil

on Amazon, there are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and

health problems it has helped.

> > & gt;

> > & gt; Any thoughts?

> > & gt;

> > & gt; Joyce

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, I have a bit of a puzzle question for you-would be delighted if you could shed some light! I had a wonderful chiropractor who was also not "traditional" and got tremendous relief, but he retired. I have SEVERE osteoporosis due to years worth of high dose prednisone, and have over 70 existing fractures in my body at this time. I seem to be unable to locate a chiropractor who respects or understands this, and most want to use the "snap, crackle, pop" method, which in my case could be deadly. My previous chiro used "myofascial release" techniques. I had GREAT success with acupuncture years ago, but have since developed a nickle allergy, and the last treatment landed in the ER from the nickle in the needles. Bahhhhh! Any suggestions?From: n1jcx2 <n1jcx2@...>Subject: Re: OT: Has Anyone Used Transdermal Magnesium? Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:35 PM

Joyce: Get thee to an acupuncturist... (I also do acupuncture :-) ...

I've worked miracles with acupuncture on tough situations like yours...

We now return to our regularly scheduled program, already in progress.

- Dow, D.C.

> > & gt;

> > & gt; I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:

> > & gt;

> > & gt; http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

> > & gt;

> > & gt; and here's a link for the "definitive" book about it:

> > & gt;

> > & gt; http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

> > & gt;

> > & gt; I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it might be helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine relief. I take 1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the above issues, so I thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil on Amazon, there are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and health problems it has helped.

> > & gt;

> > & gt; Any thoughts?

> > & gt;

> > & gt; Joyce

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would find someone who practices using the Activator method... See

http://www.activator.com/DoctorSearch.asp for a way to find one near you. Very

low force, very specific technique. I use this technique on my osteoporosis

patients with very good success, though its not as " fast " at producing results

as some of the more aggressive techniques.

- Dow, D.C.

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt;

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; and here's a link for the " definitive " book about it:

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt;

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it

might be helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine

relief. I take 1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the

above issues, so I thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil

on Amazon, there are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and

health problems it has helped.

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; Any thoughts?

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; Joyce

>

> > >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Is it possible you have fibromyalgia?

Here is a list of the possible symptoms. You wouldn't have all of them but if

you even have a few, it is very possible.

Not getting REM sleep is one of the symptoms.

http://www.debdrake.com/fibromyalgiasymptomchecklist.html

Magnesium is very helpful for most with fibro. An epsom salt bath is one of the

best trans-dermal magnesium sources.

>

> Thanks ,

>

> I have been seeing chiropractors for about 5 years now and it hasn't really

helped. However, I am otimistic about my newest chiropractor; he practises the

" Pettibon " Technique, so I wear a head weight for about 15 mins every night

while " wobbling " on a " wobble " chair. It is to retrain my neck muscles to pull

my head back into proper alignment, and it really seems to be working. I also

stretch my neck twice a day on an over-the door-traction device, which also

seems to help. Any other suggestions?

>

> I also have a sleep disorder called " hypersomnolence " which is related to

narcolepsy. I get very little REM sleep and experience " frequent night time

arousals " during which I am awake and not aware of it. (I had 2 sleep studies

done.) I suspect that the neck and shoulder spasms are related to that.

>

> Any further advice would be appreciated!

>

> thanks,

>

> Joyce

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . The activator technique is what my former chiro used. I am trying to talk him into abandoning his retirement. He has moved to Florida, and when I spoke to him last week (he is also a personal friend) he pointed out that I am currently snow bound, and he had walked on the beach-not much incentive to come back!From: n1jcx2 <n1jcx2@...>Subject: Re: OT: Has Anyone Used Transdermal Magnesium? Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 5:16 PM

I would find someone who practices using the Activator method... See http://www.activator.com/DoctorSearch.asp for a way to find one near you. Very low force, very specific technique. I use this technique on my osteoporosis patients with very good success, though its not as "fast" at producing results as some of the more aggressive techniques.

- Dow, D.C.

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; and here's a link for the "definitive" book about it:

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it might be helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine relief. I take 1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the above issues, so I thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil on Amazon, there are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and health problems it has helped.

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; Any thoughts?

>

> > > & gt;

>

> > > & gt; Joyce

>

> > >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe incentive to get ye to Florida..LOL

 

Stacey (in very cold KY but thankfully not snow bound!)

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Berry <berrywell@...> wrote:

 

Thanks, .  The activator technique is what my former chiro used.  I am trying to talk him into abandoning his retirement.  He has moved to Florida, and when I spoke to him last week (he is also a personal friend) he pointed out that I am currently snow bound, and he had walked on the beach-not much incentive to come back!

From: n1jcx2 <n1jcx2@...>

Subject: Re: OT: Has Anyone Used Transdermal Magnesium? Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 5:16 PM

 

I would find someone who practices using the Activator method... See http://www.activator.com/DoctorSearch.asp for a way to find one near you. Very low force, very specific technique. I use this technique on my osteoporosis patients with very good success, though its not as " fast " at producing results as some of the more aggressive techniques.

- Dow, D.C.

> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt; I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; and here's a link for the " definitive " book about it:> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it might be helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine relief. I take 1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the above issues, so I thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil on Amazon, there are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and health problems it has helped.

> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; Any thoughts?> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; Joyce> > > >> > >>

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I would have to agree it has been very nice here in Central FL. Unfortunaly the weather is changing and it is getting cold again down to a chilly 30 F. TlongThink Positive Be Positivie , I have a bit of a puzzle question for you-would be delighted if you could shed some light! I had a wonderful chiropractor who was also not " traditional " and got tremendous relief, but he retired. I have SEVERE osteoporosis due to years worth of high dose prednisone, and have over 70 existing fractures in my body at this time. I seem to be unable to locate a chiropractor who respects or understands this, and most want to use the " snap, crackle, pop " method, which in my case could be deadly. My previous chiro used " myofascial release " techniques. I had GREAT success with acupuncture years ago, but have since developed a nickle allergy, and the last treatment landed in the ER from the nickle in the needles. Bahhhhh! Any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks, I did go to a wonderful Chinese MD/herbalist/acupuncturist last year and

she helped me tremendously with my chronic fatigue issues, but not with my pain

issues. (She said that my Chi deficiency was so bad she could hardly feel my

pulse. I also have a spleen Chi deficiency.)

thanks

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt;

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; and here's a link for the " definitive " book about it:

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt;

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it

might be helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine

relief. I take 1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the

above issues, so I thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil

on Amazon, there are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and

health problems it has helped.

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; Any thoughts?

> > > & gt;

> > > & gt; Joyce

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

NO WAY!!! 30 years there was long enough. The mountains suit me MUCH better, snow and all. Much of my family is still there, so I visit often enough, but one too many hurricanes wiping out my house is enough!

From: n1jcx2 <n1jcx2@...>

Subject: Re: OT: Has Anyone Used Transdermal Magnesium? Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 5:16 PM

I would find someone who practices using the Activator method... See http://www.activator.com/DoctorSearch.asp for a way to find one near you. Very low force, very specific technique. I use this technique on my osteoporosis patients with very good success, though its not as "fast" at producing results as some of the more aggressive techniques.

- Dow, D.C.

> > > > & gt;> > > > & gt; I was reading about this yesterday on an email from Radiant Life:> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/719/Traditional-detoxification

> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; and here's a link for the "definitive" book about it:> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/product/Transdermal-Magnesium/salts-minerals

> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; I ordered both on Amazon for considerably less, because I thought it might be helpful for my chronic neck and shoulder spasms and for migraine relief. I take 1,000 mgs of oral MG right now and it doesn't help with the above issues, so I thought I would try it transdermally. If you look at the oil on Amazon, there are some pretty interesting comments about its varying uses and health problems it has helped.

> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; Any thoughts?> > > > & gt; > > > > & gt; Joyce> > > >> > >>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Deborah, I was diagnosed by the CF/Fibromyalgia Center (associated with Dr.

Teitelbaum) in Baltimore as having it, but my pain is localized to my shoulder

and neck muscles, only, thank God. However, their center is 3 hours away, and a

one-year treatment protocol costs $6,000--we just can't do it.

I have finally found a DO here in Richmond who is willing to help with my

adrenal issues and my Nurse Practitioner has me on bioidentical HRT and

Synthroid--she won't use Armour throid, so now I have to try to get both of them

to work together. I can't find anyone locally who can treat my whole

constellation of symptoms, so I am doing everything " piecemeal. " Do you have any

suggestions as to how to locate someone in the Richmond, VA area?

Thanks for the epsom salt bath tip; how much and how often?!

Joyce

> >

> > Thanks ,

> >

> > I have been seeing chiropractors for about 5 years now and it hasn't really

helped. However, I am otimistic about my newest chiropractor; he practises the

" Pettibon " Technique, so I wear a head weight for about 15 mins every night

while " wobbling " on a " wobble " chair. It is to retrain my neck muscles to pull

my head back into proper alignment, and it really seems to be working. I also

stretch my neck twice a day on an over-the door-traction device, which also

seems to help. Any other suggestions?

> >

> > I also have a sleep disorder called " hypersomnolence " which is related to

narcolepsy. I get very little REM sleep and experience " frequent night time

arousals " during which I am awake and not aware of it. (I had 2 sleep studies

done.) I suspect that the neck and shoulder spasms are related to that.

> >

> > Any further advice would be appreciated!

> >

> > thanks,

> >

> > Joyce

> >

>

[Guest guest]

From my research, those expensive programs seldom work. I know a lady on a fibro

forum that said she spent $15,000 and did everything in the center's protocol

(in NC) and found no relief. I wouldn't expect to find relief from there since I

have found various things that generally do work and they are mostly diet &

lifestyle related (free or very inexpensive).

There are multiple parts to fibro. The muscle knots for me are in the same area

as you describem - the shoulders and neck. The fatigue is all over and the body

aches are in the arms, legs and abdomen. That part I describe as if I have been

holding my hands over my head for a long time and the muscles start to spasm or

cramp. I really feel like I need to let my arms down but they ARE down. Laying

down doesn't even stop that feeling.

I have found things that cause it and am able to avoid triggering fibro flares.

But I still find myself in pain now and then and I can usually pinpoint what I

did to trigger it.

I'm working on creating a program with step by step instructions of how to find

your triggers. I have found a lot of relief. It is not 'curable' from what has

been found so far. But I have found that we can be symptom free. It isn't easy

and takes trial and error. I'd be happy to walk you through the process with

phone consultations.

Epsom salt baths: Add about 4 cups of epsom salt to your bath water and soak in

it about 20 minutes 2 to 3 times a week or when needed. You can add essential

oils to the water too - like lavendar or ylang ylang. I like to put something in

there for some bubbles too.

Deborah Drake, ND

http://www.debdrake.com/consultation.html

dkdrake.nd@...

> > >

> > > Thanks ,

> > >

> > > I have been seeing chiropractors for about 5 years now and it hasn't

really helped. However, I am otimistic about my newest chiropractor; he

practises the " Pettibon " Technique, so I wear a head weight for about 15 mins

every night while " wobbling " on a " wobble " chair. It is to retrain my neck

muscles to pull my head back into proper alignment, and it really seems to be

working. I also stretch my neck twice a day on an over-the door-traction device,

which also seems to help. Any other suggestions?

> > >

> > > I also have a sleep disorder called " hypersomnolence " which is related to

narcolepsy. I get very little REM sleep and experience " frequent night time

arousals " during which I am awake and not aware of it. (I had 2 sleep studies

done.) I suspect that the neck and shoulder spasms are related to that.

> > >

> > > Any further advice would be appreciated!

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > >

> > > Joyce

> > >

> >

>