Re: Fw: DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

[Guest guest]

Nice job Vern and colleagues.

>

> Dear Colleagues,

>

> " Getting involved can make a difference " I'm sending you the latest

> correspondence between myself and the policy analyst for the

Workers' Comp

> Division relative to the issue of Oregon injured workers being told

they

> must go to a particular medical provider by their employers and even

> sometimes by the insurance carrier.

>

> Please look at the attached new " Form 3283 " which must be given to

injured

> workers by the employers when they report and injury. You will

notice under

> the left sided fourth bullet the concept I suggested to the Division

which

> states: " Your employer cannot choose your health care provider for

you. "

>

> This is a huge statement to employers who are currently steering

injured

> workers to the " company doctor, " or the " Urgent Care Clinic, " or the

local

> " Occupational Medical Center. " Or even telling the injured worker

when they

> ask that " they can't see a chiropractor, they are not authorized to

see a

> chiropractic " etc., etc.

>

> This is a very key development within the bowels of the Workers' Comp

> Division. ODOC and the CAO are working together and working very

hard to

> gain an expansion of chiropractic services within Oregon's Workers'

Comp and

> we remain hopeful. However any expansion will mean very little if the

> patients are continually being told by their employers they must go

to this

> or that medical provider or even that they cannot see a DC!

>

> Just wanted you to know that we are shaking some folks trees and the

fruits

> of our labor are starting to land on the ground !!!

>

> Happy and Prosperous New Year to Us All,

>

> Vern Saboe PS: Please, please mark your calendars and commit to

coming to

> the Capitol Jan. 25 7:30 AM - 5:00 PM for " Chiropractic Day at the

Capitol

> 2007 " TOGETHER we can make a difference!!!!!!!!

> DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>> Bruce Dennis Northwest Carpenters

> >>>> Cia Hart Liberty Northwest Insurance

> >>>> Ernie Delmazzo Injured Workers' Alliance

> >>>> Ilene O'Malley Oregon Law Center

> >>>> Flood Ombudsman for Injured Workers

> >>>> Kay Abel Representing injured workers

> >>>> Wilch SAIF Corporation

> >>>> Lon Holston Management-Labor Advisory Committee

> >>>> Cross Oregon Self-Insured Association

> >>>> Randy M Elmer Kryger Egan Elmer & Carlson PC

> >>>> Beyer, PA-C Oregon Society of Physician Assistants

> >>>> Sheri Sundstrom Management-Labor Advisory Committee

> >>>> Vern Saboe, DC Chiropractic Association of Oregon

> >>>>

> >>>> Regarding: DRAFT Form 3283, " A Guide for Workers Recently Hurt on

> >>> the

> >>>> Job "

> >>>>

> >>>> At our 9/26 advisory meeting, we discussed the importance of early

> >>>> notice of treatment rights. To that end, the committee considered

> >>> ways

> >>>> to improve the existing Form 3283 that must be provided to workers

> >>> when

> >>>> they complete Form 801. (The 3283 could also be distributed with

> >>> Form

> >>>> 827; the Workers' Compensation Division supplies most 827s used by

> >>>> Oregon providers.) I have attached a DRAFT copy of Form 3283 for

> >>> your

> >>>> review.

> >>>>

> >>>> The committee advised that this notice should address three

> >>> concepts:

> >>>> 1) how to file a claim; 2) how to obtain medical care; and 3) how

> >> to

> >>>> obtain payment for lost time from work.

> >>>>

> >>>> While we aimed to keep the information on this form sufficiently

> >>>> general so workers would not think they are limited in their

> > choice

> >>> of

> >>>> provider, we did list a number of provider-choice options. Please

> >>> send

> >>>> me your comments and recommended edits by November 9. We also

> >>> welcome

> >>>> comments on whether the same notice should be provided when Form

> >> 827

> >>> is

> >>>> used as the first medical report.

> >>>>

> >>>> We continue to explore other concepts, such as a wallet-size

> >>>> information card, pre-recorded telephone messages, and revisions

> > to

> >>> the

> >>>> brochure, " What happens in I'm hurt on the job? " Your advice on

> > the

> >>>> attached form will help us to remain consistent with other

> >>> publications

> >>>> and outreach methods. (The same form is attached in different file

> >>>> formats - contact me if you cannot open either file.)

> >>>>

> >>>> Thank you again for your assistance! Please contact me if you have

> >>>> questions.

> >>>>

> >>>> Sincerely,

> >>>>

> >>>> Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator

> >>>> Oregon Workers' Compensation Division

> >>>> Policy Section

> >>>> (503) 947 7717 fax (503) 947 7581

> >>>> fred.h.bruyns@...

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

VS, Can an employer be punished if they

still try to force the worker to go to certain providers ?

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of vsaboe

Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:15

PM

'Oregon Chiropractors'

Subject: FW:

DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

Dear Colleagues,

Proof positive that we can facilitate positive changes in state government

and many is the time it's simply a matter of taking the time and being part

of the process a.k.a. helping to drive the bus rather than sitting in the

back seat being driven!

So here's to the end of the inappropriate steering of Oregon Injured Workers

to the local Occ Med Clinic, the Urgent Care Clinic, or the " company

(hack)

doctor...

To the continued good fight cheers,

Vern Saboe

Re: DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

Dr. Saboe,

We sent a notice to roughly 90,000 employers, medical providers, and

insurers, etc., in March of this year, along with the " Guide for Workers

Recently Hurt on the Job, " that was developed through your efforts and

input from other committee members.

Here is the link to that publication:

http://www.cbs.state.or.us/external/wcd/communications/industry_notices/choo

se_prov.pdf

Because the mailing prompted a number of calls from employers (who

began to question their own practices), we think it did serve to educate

many system participants about worker's rights to choose providers. We

are still drafting changes to the larger brochure " What happens if I'm

hurt on the job?, " to reflect recent law changes, and we will send this

to the advisory committee before too long for your input.

One other change that we have yet to implement is a telephone message

system that callers could use to get prerecorded messages on three

primary questions: 1) How do I file a claim; 2) How can I get treated

(and who by); and 3) How can I get paid for time lost from work. We have

the system more or less designed, but we have not had staff available to

do the phone programming (due to illness), so that has been delayed.

If you would like additional information or if I may assist in any way,

please feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,

Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator

Oregon

Workers' Compensation Division

Policy Section

(503) 947-7717 fax (503) 947-7581

fred.h.bruynsstate (DOT) or.us

>>> " Vern Saboe "

<vsaboecomcast (DOT) net>

7/23/2007 7:27 AM >>>

Me again,

Sorry you probably told me this prior but when is the date that all

these

materials will be in the hands of employers and providers?

Reason I ask is that I'm organizing a informational meeting for

employers,

labor union folk, providers, and carriers as per current Oregon law &

rules

regarding injured worker's treatment rights etc.

Tanks for all you do Fred,

Vern Saboe

DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

>>>

>>>

>>>> Bruce Dennis Northwest Carpenters

>>>> Cia Hart Liberty

Northwest Insurance

>>>> Ernie Delmazzo Injured Workers' Alliance

>>>> Ilene O'Malley Oregon

Law Center

>>>> Flood Ombudsman for Injured Workers

>>>> Kay Abel Representing injured workers

>>>> Wilch SAIF Corporation

>>>> Lon Holston Management-Labor Advisory Committee

>>>> Cross Oregon

Self-Insured Association

>>>> Randy M Elmer Kryger Egan Elmer & Carlson PC

>>>> Beyer, PA-C

Oregon

Society of Physician Assistants

>>>> Sheri Sundstrom Management-Labor Advisory Committee

>>>> Vern Saboe,

DC Chiropractic Association of Oregon

>>>>

>>>> Regarding: DRAFT Form 3283, " A Guide for Workers Recently

Hurt on

>>> the

>>>> Job "

>>>>

>>>> At our 9/26 advisory meeting, we discussed the importance of

early

>>>> notice of treatment rights. To that end, the committee

considered

>>> ways

>>>> to improve the existing Form 3283 that must be provided to

workers

>>> when

>>>> they complete Form 801. (The 3283 could also be distributed

with

>>> Form

>>>> 827; the Workers' Compensation Division supplies most 827s

used

by

>>>> Oregon

providers.) I have attached a DRAFT copy of Form 3283 for

>>> your

>>>> review.

>>>>

>>>> The committee advised that this notice should address three

>>> concepts:

>>>> 1) how to file a claim; 2) how to obtain medical care; and 3)

how

>> to

>>>> obtain payment for lost time from work.

>>>>

>>>> While we aimed to keep the information on this form

sufficiently

>>>> general so workers would not think they are limited in their

> choice

>>> of

>>>> provider, we did list a number of provider-choice options.

Please

>>> send

>>>> me your comments and recommended edits by November 9. We also

>>> welcome

>>>> comments on whether the same notice should be provided when

Form

>> 827

>>> is

>>>> used as the first medical report.

>>>>

>>>> We continue to explore other concepts, such as a wallet-size

>>>> information card, pre-recorded telephone messages, and

revisions

> to

>>> the

>>>> brochure, " What happens in I'm hurt on the job? "

Your advice on

> the

>>>> attached form will help us to remain consistent with other

>>> publications

>>>> and outreach methods. (The same form is attached in different

file

>>>> formats - contact me if you cannot open either file.)

>>>>

>>>> Thank you again for your assistance! Please contact me if you

have

>>>> questions.

>>>>

>>>> Sincerely,

>>>>

>>>> Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator

>>>> Oregon

Workers' Compensation Division

>>>> Policy Section

>>>> (503) 947 7717 fax (503) 947 7581

>>>> fred.h.bruynsstate (DOT) or.us

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your patience and persistence is a blessing to Oregon.

Thanks, buddy.

Sunny

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 2677 Willakenzie Road, 7C

Eugene, Oregon, 97401

541- 344- 0509; Fx; 541- 344- 0955

From: "vsaboe" <vsaboe@...>"'Oregon Chiropractors'" < >Subject: FW: DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:14:56 -0700

Dear Colleagues,Proof positive that we can facilitate positive changes in state governmentand many is the time it's simply a matter of taking the time and being partof the process a.k.a. helping to drive the bus rather than sitting in theback seat being driven!So here's to the end of the inappropriate steering of Oregon Injured Workersto the local Occ Med Clinic, the Urgent Care Clinic, or the "company (hack)doctor...To the continued good fight cheers,Vern Saboe Re: DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801Dr. Saboe,We sent a notice to roughly 90,000 employers, medical providers, andinsurers, etc., in March of this year, along with the "Guide for WorkersRecently Hurt on the Job," that was developed through your efforts andinput from other committee members.Here is the link to that publication:http://www.cbs.state.or.us/external/wcd/communications/industry_notices/choose_prov.pdfBecause the mailing prompted a number of calls from employers (whobegan to question their own practices), we think it did serve to educatemany system participants about worker's rights to choose providers. Weare still drafting changes to the larger brochure "What happens if I'mhurt on the job?," to reflect recent law changes, and we will send thisto the advisory committee before too long for your input.One other change that we have yet to implement is a telephone messagesystem that callers could use to get prerecorded messages on threeprimary questions: 1) How do I file a claim; 2) How can I get treated(and who by); and 3) How can I get paid for time lost from work. We havethe system more or less designed, but we have not had staff available todo the phone programming (due to illness), so that has been delayed.If you would like additional information or if I may assist in any way,please feel free to contact me.Sincerely,Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules CoordinatorOregon Workers' Compensation DivisionPolicy Section(503) 947-7717 fax (503) 947-7581fred.h.bruynsstate (DOT) or.us>>> "Vern Saboe" <vsaboecomcast (DOT) net> 7/23/2007 7:27 AM >>>Me again,Sorry you probably told me this prior but when is the date that allthese materials will be in the hands of employers and providers?Reason I ask is that I'm organizing a informational meeting foremployers, labor union folk, providers, and carriers as per current Oregon law & rules regarding injured worker's treatment rights etc.Tanks for all you do Fred,Vern Saboe DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Dennis Northwest Carpenters>>>> Cia Hart Liberty Northwest Insurance>>>> Ernie Delmazzo Injured Workers' Alliance>>>> Ilene O'Malley Oregon Law Center>>>> Flood Ombudsman for Injured Workers>>>> Kay Abel Representing injured workers>>>> Wilch SAIF Corporation>>>> Lon Holston Management-Labor Advisory Committee>>>> Cross Oregon Self-Insured Association>>>> Randy M Elmer Kryger Egan Elmer & Carlson PC>>>> Beyer, PA-C Oregon Society of Physician Assistants>>>> Sheri Sundstrom Management-Labor Advisory Committee>>>> Vern Saboe, DC Chiropractic Association of Oregon>>>>>>>> Regarding: DRAFT Form 3283, "A Guide for Workers Recently Hurt on>>> the>>>> Job">>>>>>>> At our 9/26 advisory meeting, we discussed the importance ofearly>>>> notice of treatment rights. To that end, the committee considered>>> ways>>>> to improve the existing Form 3283 that must be provided toworkers>>> when>>>> they complete Form 801. (The 3283 could also be distributed with>>> Form>>>> 827; the Workers' Compensation Division supplies most 827s usedby>>>> Oregon providers.) I have attached a DRAFT copy of Form 3283 for>>> your>>>> review.>>>>>>>> The committee advised that this notice should address three>>> concepts:>>>> 1) how to file a claim; 2) how to obtain medical care; and 3) how>> to>>>> obtain payment for lost time from work.>>>>>>>> While we aimed to keep the information on this form sufficiently>>>> general so workers would not think they are limited in their> choice>>> of>>>> provider, we did list a number of provider-choice options. Please>>> send>>>> me your comments and recommended edits by November 9. We also>>> welcome>>>> comments on whether the same notice should be provided when Form>> 827>>> is>>>> used as the first medical report.>>>>>>>> We continue to explore other concepts, such as a wallet-size>>>> information card, pre-recorded telephone messages, and revisions> to>>> the>>>> brochure, "What happens in I'm hurt on the job?" Your advice on> the>>>> attached form will help us to remain consistent with other>>> publications>>>> and outreach methods. (The same form is attached in differentfile>>>> formats - contact me if you cannot open either file.)>>>>>>>> Thank you again for your assistance! Please contact me if youhave>>>> questions.>>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>>> Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator>>>> Oregon Workers' Compensation Division>>>> Policy Section>>>> (503) 947 7717 fax (503) 947 7581>>>> fred.h.bruynsstate (DOT) or.us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Yes, they can be fined...

Vern

DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Dennis Northwest Carpenters>>>> Cia Hart Liberty Northwest Insurance>>>> Ernie Delmazzo Injured Workers' Alliance>>>> Ilene O'Malley Oregon Law Center>>>> Flood Ombudsman for Injured Workers>>>> Kay Abel Representing injured workers>>>> Wilch SAIF Corporation>>>> Lon Holston Management-Labor Advisory Committee>>>> Cross Oregon Self-Insured Association>>>> Randy M Elmer Kryger Egan Elmer & Carlson PC>>>> Beyer, PA-C Oregon Society of Physician Assistants>>>> Sheri Sundstrom Management-Labor Advisory Committee>>>> Vern Saboe, DC Chiropractic Association of Oregon>>>>>>>> Regarding: DRAFT Form 3283, "A Guide for Workers Recently Hurt on>>> the>>>> Job">>>>>>>> At our 9/26 advisory meeting, we discussed the importance ofearly>>>> notice of treatment rights. To that end, the committee considered>>> ways>>>> to improve the existing Form 3283 that must be provided toworkers>>> when>>>> they complete Form 801. (The 3283 could also be distributed with>>> Form>>>> 827; the Workers' Compensation Division supplies most 827s usedby>>>> Oregon providers.) I have attached a DRAFT copy of Form 3283 for>>> your>>>> review.>>>>>>>> The committee advised that this notice should address three>>> concepts:>>>> 1) how to file a claim; 2) how to obtain medical care; and 3) how>> to>>>> obtain payment for lost time from work.>>>>>>>> While we aimed to keep the information on this form sufficiently>>>> general so workers would not think they are limited in their> choice>>> of>>>> provider, we did list a number of provider-choice options. Please>>> send>>>> me your comments and recommended edits by November 9. We also>>> welcome>>>> comments on whether the same notice should be provided when Form>> 827>>> is>>>> used as the first medical report.>>>>>>>> We continue to explore other concepts, such as a wallet-size>>>> information card, pre-recorded telephone messages, and revisions> to>>> the>>>> brochure, "What happens in I'm hurt on the job?" Your advice on> the>>>> attached form will help us to remain consistent with other>>> publications>>>> and outreach methods. (The same form is attached in differentfile>>>> formats - contact me if you cannot open either file.)>>>>>>>> Thank you again for your assistance! Please contact me if youhave>>>> questions.>>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>>> Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator>>>> Oregon Workers' Compensation Division>>>> Policy Section>>>> (503) 947 7717 fax (503) 947 7581>>>> fred.h.bruynsstate (DOT) or.us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Vern,

I remember when workers comp. insurance companies sent out a letters to every person who had ever had a claim explaining that they could no longer see a chiropractor(as an attending physician). Patients were asking me why they got the letter 2 years after their claim settled. It was clearly worded to confuse the issue and imply that one could not see a chiropractor at all. It was a terrible time bringing feelings of helplessness and impotent anger.

Since then, many, many patients have mistakenly thought that they could not see a chiropractor in an MVA or managed care insurance without a prescription from a medical doctor. It was a market share and cost containment game with no danger of punishment by the insurance commisioner.

Thank you for your unending effort to lobby for truth, justice, and the American way!

Abrahamson, D.C.

On 7/24/07 3:14 PM, " vsaboe " <vsaboe@...> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

Proof positive that we can facilitate positive changes in state government

and many is the time it's simply a matter of taking the time and being part

of the process a.k.a. helping to drive the bus rather than sitting in the

back seat being driven!

So here's to the end of the inappropriate steering of Oregon Injured Workers

to the local Occ Med Clinic, the Urgent Care Clinic, or the " company (hack)

doctor...

To the continued good fight cheers,

Vern Saboe

Re: DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

Dr. Saboe,

We sent a notice to roughly 90,000 employers, medical providers, and

insurers, etc., in March of this year, along with the " Guide for Workers

Recently Hurt on the Job, " that was developed through your efforts and

input from other committee members.

Here is the link to that publication:

http://www.cbs.state.or.us/external/wcd/communications/industry_notices/choo

se_prov.pdf

Because the mailing prompted a number of calls from employers (who

began to question their own practices), we think it did serve to educate

many system participants about worker's rights to choose providers. We

are still drafting changes to the larger brochure " What happens if I'm

hurt on the job?, " to reflect recent law changes, and we will send this

to the advisory committee before too long for your input.

One other change that we have yet to implement is a telephone message

system that callers could use to get prerecorded messages on three

primary questions: 1) How do I file a claim; 2) How can I get treated

(and who by); and 3) How can I get paid for time lost from work. We have

the system more or less designed, but we have not had staff available to

do the phone programming (due to illness), so that has been delayed.

If you would like additional information or if I may assist in any way,

please feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,

Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator

Oregon Workers' Compensation Division

Policy Section

(503) 947-7717 fax (503) 947-7581

fred.h.bruyns@... <mailto:fred.h.bruyns%40state.or.us>

>>> " Vern Saboe " <vsaboe@... <mailto:vsaboe%40comcast.net> > 7/23/2007 7:27 AM >>>

Me again,

Sorry you probably told me this prior but when is the date that all

these

materials will be in the hands of employers and providers?

Reason I ask is that I'm organizing a informational meeting for

employers,

labor union folk, providers, and carriers as per current Oregon law &

rules

regarding injured worker's treatment rights etc.

Tanks for all you do Fred,

Vern Saboe

DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

>>>

>>>

>>>> Bruce Dennis Northwest Carpenters

>>>> Cia Hart Liberty Northwest Insurance

>>>> Ernie Delmazzo Injured Workers' Alliance

>>>> Ilene O'Malley Oregon Law Center

>>>> Flood Ombudsman for Injured Workers

>>>> Kay Abel Representing injured workers

>>>> Wilch SAIF Corporation

>>>> Lon Holston Management-Labor Advisory Committee

>>>> Cross Oregon Self-Insured Association

>>>> Randy M Elmer Kryger Egan Elmer & Carlson PC

>>>> Beyer, PA-C Oregon Society of Physician Assistants

>>>> Sheri Sundstrom Management-Labor Advisory Committee

>>>> Vern Saboe, DC Chiropractic Association of Oregon

>>>>

>>>> Regarding: DRAFT Form 3283, " A Guide for Workers Recently Hurt on

>>> the

>>>> Job "

>>>>

>>>> At our 9/26 advisory meeting, we discussed the importance of

early

>>>> notice of treatment rights. To that end, the committee considered

>>> ways

>>>> to improve the existing Form 3283 that must be provided to

workers

>>> when

>>>> they complete Form 801. (The 3283 could also be distributed with

>>> Form

>>>> 827; the Workers' Compensation Division supplies most 827s used

by

>>>> Oregon providers.) I have attached a DRAFT copy of Form 3283 for

>>> your

>>>> review.

>>>>

>>>> The committee advised that this notice should address three

>>> concepts:

>>>> 1) how to file a claim; 2) how to obtain medical care; and 3) how

>> to

>>>> obtain payment for lost time from work.

>>>>

>>>> While we aimed to keep the information on this form sufficiently

>>>> general so workers would not think they are limited in their

> choice

>>> of

>>>> provider, we did list a number of provider-choice options. Please

>>> send

>>>> me your comments and recommended edits by November 9. We also

>>> welcome

>>>> comments on whether the same notice should be provided when Form

>> 827

>>> is

>>>> used as the first medical report.

>>>>

>>>> We continue to explore other concepts, such as a wallet-size

>>>> information card, pre-recorded telephone messages, and revisions

> to

>>> the

>>>> brochure, " What happens in I'm hurt on the job? " Your advice on

> the

>>>> attached form will help us to remain consistent with other

>>> publications

>>>> and outreach methods. (The same form is attached in different

file

>>>> formats - contact me if you cannot open either file.)

>>>>

>>>> Thank you again for your assistance! Please contact me if you

have

>>>> questions.

>>>>

>>>> Sincerely,

>>>>

>>>> Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator

>>>> Oregon Workers' Compensation Division

>>>> Policy Section

>>>> (503) 947 7717 fax (503) 947 7581

>>>> fred.h.bruyns@... <mailto:fred.h.bruyns%40state.or.us>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>

( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks y,

Have another Admin. Rule Making meeting this Thurs I'll let the group know how it went.

Vern

DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Dennis Northwest Carpenters>>>> Cia Hart Liberty Northwest Insurance>>>> Ernie Delmazzo Injured Workers' Alliance>>>> Ilene O'Malley Oregon Law Center>>>> Flood Ombudsman for Injured Workers>>>> Kay Abel Representing injured workers>>>> Wilch SAIF Corporation>>>> Lon Holston Management-Labor Advisory Committee>>>> Cross Oregon Self-Insured Association>>>> Randy M Elmer Kryger Egan Elmer & Carlson PC>>>> Beyer, PA-C Oregon Society of Physician Assistants>>>> Sheri Sundstrom Management-Labor Advisory Committee>>>> Vern Saboe, DC Chiropractic Association of Oregon>>>>>>>> Regarding: DRAFT Form 3283, "A Guide for Workers Recently Hurt on>>> the>>>> Job">>>>>>>> At our 9/26 advisory meeting, we discussed the importance ofearly>>>> notice of treatment rights. To that end, the committee considered>>> ways>>>> to improve the existing Form 3283 that must be provided toworkers>>> when>>>> they complete Form 801. (The 3283 could also be distributed with>>> Form>>>> 827; the Workers' Compensation Division supplies most 827s usedby>>>> Oregon providers.) I have attached a DRAFT copy of Form 3283 for>>> your>>>> review.>>>>>>>> The committee advised that this notice should address three>>> concepts:>>>> 1) how to file a claim; 2) how to obtain medical care; and 3) how>> to>>>> obtain payment for lost time from work.>>>>>>>> While we aimed to keep the information on this form sufficiently>>>> general so workers would not think they are limited in their> choice>>> of>>>> provider, we did list a number of provider-choice options. Please>>> send>>>> me your comments and recommended edits by November 9. We also>>> welcome>>>> comments on whether the same notice should be provided when Form>> 827>>> is>>>> used as the first medical report.>>>>>>>> We continue to explore other concepts, such as a wallet-size>>>> information card, pre-recorded telephone messages, and revisions> to>>> the>>>> brochure, "What happens in I'm hurt on the job?" Your advice on> the>>>> attached form will help us to remain consistent with other>>> publications>>>> and outreach methods. (The same form is attached in differentfile>>>> formats - contact me if you cannot open either file.)>>>>>>>> Thank you again for your assistance! Please contact me if youhave>>>> questions.>>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>>> Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator>>>> Oregon Workers' Compensation Division>>>> Policy Section>>>> (503) 947 7717 fax (503) 947 7581>>>> fred.h.bruyns@... <mailto:fred.h.bruyns%40state.or.us> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( E. Abrahamson, D.C.)Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

[Guest guest]

Indeed Vern, and heres to you!! We are fortunate to have ya on our side. Seems your prodigous efforts are changing the tides and all of us who practice chiropractic in oregon should be appreciative.

ph Medlin, DCSpine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St.Portland, OR 97211

DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Dennis Northwest Carpenters>>>> Cia Hart Liberty Northwest Insurance>>>> Ernie Delmazzo Injured Workers' Alliance>>>> Ilene O'Malley Oregon Law Center>>>> Flood Ombudsman for Injured Workers>>>> Kay Abel Representing injured workers>>>> Wilch SAIF Corporation>>>> Lon Holston Management-Labor Advisory Committee>>>> Cross Oregon Self-Insured Association>>>> Randy M Elmer Kryger Egan Elmer & Carlson PC>>>> Beyer, PA-C Oregon Society of Physician Assistants>>>> Sheri Sundstrom Management-Labor Advisory Committee>>>> Vern Saboe, DC Chiropractic Association of Oregon>>>>>>>> Regarding: DRAFT Form 3283, "A Guide for Workers Recently Hurt on>>> the>>>> Job">>>>>>>> At our 9/26 advisory meeting, we discussed the importance ofearly>>>> notice of treatment rights. To that end, the committee considered>>> ways>>>> to improve the existing Form 3283 that must be provided toworkers>>> when>>>> they complete Form 801. (The 3283 could also be distributed with>>> Form>>>> 827; the Workers' Compensation Division supplies most 827s usedby>>>> Oregon providers.) I have attached a DRAFT copy of Form 3283 for>>> your>>>> review.>>>>>>>> The committee advised that this notice should address three>>> concepts:>>>> 1) how to file a claim; 2) how to obtain medical care; and 3) how>> to>>>> obtain payment for lost time from work.>>>>>>>> While we aimed to keep the information on this form sufficiently>>>> general so workers would not think they are limited in their> choice>>> of>>>> provider, we did list a number of provider-choice options. Please>>> send>>>> me your comments and recommended edits by November 9. We also>>> welcome>>>> comments on whether the same notice should be provided when Form>> 827>>> is>>>> used as the first medical report.>>>>>>>> We continue to explore other concepts, such as a wallet-size>>>> information card, pre-recorded telephone messages, and revisions> to>>> the>>>> brochure, "What happens in I'm hurt on the job?" Your advice on> the>>>> attached form will help us to remain consistent with other>>> publications>>>> and outreach methods. (The same form is attached in differentfile>>>> formats - contact me if you cannot open either file.)>>>>>>>> Thank you again for your assistance! Please contact me if youhave>>>> questions.>>>>>>>> Sincerely,>>>>>>>> Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator>>>> Oregon Workers' Compensation Division>>>> Policy Section>>>> (503) 947 7717 fax (503) 947 7581>>>> fred.h.bruynsstate (DOT) or.us >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Hallelujah! Vern Saboe

for Governor!!

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408 NW 7th

Corvallis, OR 97330

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Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007

9:29 AM

'Oregon Chiropractors'; vsaboe

Subject: Re: FW:

DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

Indeed

Vern, and heres to you!! We are fortunate to have ya on our side. Seems your

prodigous efforts are changing the tides and all of us who practice

chiropractic in oregon should be appreciative.

ph

Medlin, DC

Spine Tree Chiropractic

1627 NE Alberta St.

Portland, OR 97211

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Original Message -----

From: vsaboe

'Oregon

Chiropractors'

Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007

3:14 PM

Subject: [From

OregonDCs] FW: DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

Dear Colleagues,

Proof positive that we can facilitate positive changes in state government

and many is the time it's simply a matter of taking the time and being part

of the process a.k.a. helping to drive the bus rather than sitting in the

back seat being driven!

So here's to the end of the inappropriate steering of Oregon Injured Workers

to the local Occ Med Clinic, the Urgent Care Clinic, or the " company

(hack)

doctor...

To the continued good fight cheers,

Vern Saboe

Re: DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

Dr. Saboe,

We sent a notice to roughly 90,000 employers, medical providers, and

insurers, etc., in March of this year, along with the " Guide for Workers

Recently Hurt on the Job, " that was developed through your efforts and

input from other committee members.

Here is the link to that publication:

http://www.cbs.state.or.us/external/wcd/communications/industry_notices/choo

se_prov.pdf

Because the mailing prompted a number of calls from employers (who

began to question their own practices), we think it did serve to educate

many system participants about worker's rights to choose providers. We

are still drafting changes to the larger brochure " What happens if I'm

hurt on the job?, " to reflect recent law changes, and we will send this

to the advisory committee before too long for your input.

One other change that we have yet to implement is a telephone message

system that callers could use to get prerecorded messages on three

primary questions: 1) How do I file a claim; 2) How can I get treated

(and who by); and 3) How can I get paid for time lost from work. We have

the system more or less designed, but we have not had staff available to

do the phone programming (due to illness), so that has been delayed.

If you would like additional information or if I may assist in any way,

please feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,

Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator

Oregon Workers' Compensation Division

Policy Section

(503) 947-7717 fax (503) 947-7581

fred.h.bruynsstate (DOT) or.us

>>> " Vern Saboe " <vsaboecomcast (DOT) net>

7/23/2007 7:27 AM >>>

Me again,

Sorry you probably told me this prior but when is the date that all

these

materials will be in the hands of employers and providers?

Reason I ask is that I'm organizing a informational meeting for

employers,

labor union folk, providers, and carriers as per current Oregon law &

rules

regarding injured worker's treatment rights etc.

Tanks for all you do Fred,

Vern Saboe

DRAFT Notice to accompany Form 801

>>>

>>>

>>>> Bruce Dennis Northwest Carpenters

>>>> Cia Hart Liberty Northwest Insurance

>>>> Ernie Delmazzo Injured Workers' Alliance

>>>> Ilene O'Malley Oregon Law Center

>>>> Flood Ombudsman for Injured Workers

>>>> Kay Abel Representing injured workers

>>>> Wilch SAIF Corporation

>>>> Lon Holston Management-Labor Advisory Committee

>>>> Cross Oregon Self-Insured Association

>>>> Randy M Elmer Kryger Egan Elmer & Carlson PC

>>>> Beyer, PA-C Oregon Society of Physician Assistants

>>>> Sheri Sundstrom Management-Labor Advisory Committee

>>>> Vern Saboe, DC Chiropractic Association of Oregon

>>>>

>>>> Regarding: DRAFT Form 3283, " A Guide for Workers Recently

Hurt on

>>> the

>>>> Job "

>>>>

>>>> At our 9/26 advisory meeting, we discussed the importance of

early

>>>> notice of treatment rights. To that end, the committee

considered

>>> ways

>>>> to improve the existing Form 3283 that must be provided to

workers

>>> when

>>>> they complete Form 801. (The 3283 could also be distributed

with

>>> Form

>>>> 827; the Workers' Compensation Division supplies most 827s

used

by

>>>> Oregon providers.) I have attached a DRAFT copy of Form 3283

for

>>> your

>>>> review.

>>>>

>>>> The committee advised that this notice should address three

>>> concepts:

>>>> 1) how to file a claim; 2) how to obtain medical care; and 3)

how

>> to

>>>> obtain payment for lost time from work.

>>>>

>>>> While we aimed to keep the information on this form

sufficiently

>>>> general so workers would not think they are limited in their

> choice

>>> of

>>>> provider, we did list a number of provider-choice options.

Please

>>> send

>>>> me your comments and recommended edits by November 9. We also

>>> welcome

>>>> comments on whether the same notice should be provided when

Form

>> 827

>>> is

>>>> used as the first medical report.

>>>>

>>>> We continue to explore other concepts, such as a wallet-size

>>>> information card, pre-recorded telephone messages, and

revisions

> to

>>> the

>>>> brochure, " What happens in I'm hurt on the job? "

Your advice on

> the

>>>> attached form will help us to remain consistent with other

>>> publications

>>>> and outreach methods. (The same form is attached in different

file

>>>> formats - contact me if you cannot open either file.)

>>>>

>>>> Thank you again for your assistance! Please contact me if you

have

>>>> questions.

>>>>

>>>> Sincerely,

>>>>

>>>> Fred Bruyns, Policy Analyst/Rules Coordinator

>>>> Oregon Workers' Compensation Division

>>>> Policy Section

>>>> (503) 947 7717 fax (503) 947 7581

>>>> fred.h.bruynsstate (DOT) or.us

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>