Guest guest Posted November 6, 2006 Report Share Posted November 6, 2006 Dr. , Thank you for your response, it is encouraging to see someone that is not defensive. I also believe we have much to learn individually and as a profession. I am sure that when D.D. first introduced chiropractic he was not met with open arms, rather defensiveness, etc. Again thank you, look forward to further discussion. Brad Welker, D.C. > > >> > > >> Interesting commentary : so does this mean that we have no > business > > >> treating either malpositions or fixations ? > > >> > > >> > > >> sharron fuchs dc > > >> > > >> ____________-_________-_________-__ > > >> > > >> From: HYPERLINK > " mailto:%40 " @... > [mailto:HYPERLINK > " mailto:%40 " @...] > > > On > > >> Behalf Of Brad Welker > > >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:48 AM > > >> HYPERLINK > " mailto:%40 " @... > > >> Subject: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must > > > also > > >> believe the world is still flat! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I give you 2 pills, one red, one blue. It is your choice, if you > > > choose > > >> to continue reading take the red pill, if you choose to take the > > > blue > > >> pill stop reading and close this e-mail. > > >> > > >> Red Pill- Follow me down the rabbit trail...... > > >> > > >> Two well accepted theories within the > > >> chiropractic/-manipulation/-mobilization fields. Unfortunately, > > > neither > > >> theory was very well thought out. Many practitioners believe > both > > >> theories to be correct, mostly because they don't understand > either > > > one. > > >> Malposition, meaning wrong or abnormal position has become > accepted > > > as > > >> the primary basis of manipulation. To believe this theory we > must > > > first > > >> believe that the body is wrong and not intelligent enough > to " put it > > >> back in " . Malposition theory works as long as we believe the > body > > > to be > > >> unintelligent. What if, the body did not pull the joint " out of > > >> alignment " but into alignment to help stabilize. In this case, > > >> realigning the malposition would work against the body. The > body is > > >> able to control Ph, blood pressure, ect., but when it comes to > > >> stabilizing a simple joint it becomes unintelligent. Common > sense > > > in > > >> this case seem to contradict malposition. Fixation theory- why > > > does a > > >> joint become fixated? Meniscal entrapment, muscle guarding, free > > >> cartilage " joint mice " , etc. Under any of these circumstances it > > > would > > >> be contraindicated to push through the fixation. If it is a > > > meniscal > > >> entrapment why would we want to work against the guarding > mechanism > > > and > > >> pain that the body is trying to protect. Muscle guarding occurs > > > for 3 > > >> basic reasons; 1) guarding secondary to strain, 2) guarding > > > secondary to > > >> joint instability, 3) neuritis or increased nerve tone. Again, > if > > > we > > >> believe that the body is first wrong and we as chiropractors are > > > correct > > >> then we manipulate what we believe is an unintelligent system. > > > Joint > > >> mice- this is a fairly easy one, I can't think of any logical > > > reason why > > >> we would manipulate against a cartilage tear/ joint mice? Simply > > > put, I > > >> believe the body's innate intelligence is more intelligent than > you > > > do. > > >> > > >> The theory of a flat world was well accepted for many hundreds > of > > >> years, scholars wrote books about the subject, it was taught in > > > schools, > > >> everyone knew of the sea creatures that would devour the > unexpecting > > >> traveler that would fall off of the earth. I am sure that during > > > this > > >> time had someone mentioned that the world was round and that > there > > > were > > >> no sea creatures they would have been laughed out of the schools > and > > >> called many names that you are probably calling me as you read > this. > > >> There is no nice way to change a paradigm, but here we go. I > look > > >> forward to your comments, I understand if you need some time to > > > digest > > >> this information. I have much, much (assessment, treatment, > etc.) > > > more, > > >> welcome to correct theory and a round world. > > >> > > >> Brad Welker, D.C., Shad McLagan, D.C., Baker, D.C. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OregonDCs rules: > > > 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve > is to > > > foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on > listserve > > > members will be tolerated. > > > 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. > > > 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up > anywhere. > > > However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, > forward, > > > or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member > without > > > his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been > removed. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Dr. s, Again, thank you for your response. There is a difference between having an open mind and being mindless. Questioning does not mean that someone is closed minded. If no one questioned, oh what a world it would be. Thank you, Brad Welker, D.C. If we believe fixation/ malposition we must> > > also> > >> believe the world is still flat!> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I give you 2 pills, one red, one blue. It is your choice, if you> > > choose> > >> to continue reading take the red pill, if you choose to take the> > > blue> > >> pill stop reading and close this e-mail.> > >>> > >> Red Pill- Follow me down the rabbit trail......> > >>> > >> Two well accepted theories within the> > >> chiropractic/-manipulation/-mobilization fields. Unfortunately,> > > neither> > >> theory was very well thought out. Many practitioners believe > both> > >> theories to be correct, mostly because they don't understand > either> > > one.> > >> Malposition, meaning wrong or abnormal position has become > accepted> > > as> > >> the primary basis of manipulation. To believe this theory we > must> > > first> > >> believe that the body is wrong and not intelligent enough > to "put it> > >> back in". Malposition theory works as long as we believe the > body> > > to be> > >> unintelligent. What if, the body did not pull the joint "out of> > >> alignment" but into alignment to help stabilize. In this case,> > >> realigning the malposition would work against the body. The > body is> > >> able to control Ph, blood pressure, ect., but when it comes to> > >> stabilizing a simple joint it becomes unintelligent. Common > sense> > > in> > >> this case seem to contradict malposition. Fixation theory- why> > > does a> > >> joint become fixated? Meniscal entrapment, muscle guarding, free> > >> cartilage "joint mice", etc. Under any of these circumstances it> > > would> > >> be contraindicated to push through the fixation. If it is a> > > meniscal> > >> entrapment why would we want to work against the guarding > mechanism> > > and> > >> pain that the body is trying to protect. Muscle guarding occurs> > > for 3> > >> basic reasons; 1) guarding secondary to strain, 2) guarding> > > secondary to> > >> joint instability, 3) neuritis or increased nerve tone. Again, > if> > > we> > >> believe that the body is first wrong and we as chiropractors are> > > correct> > >> then we manipulate what we believe is an unintelligent system.> > > Joint> > >> mice- this is a fairly easy one, I can't think of any logical> > > reason why> > >> we would manipulate against a cartilage tear/ joint mice? Simply> > > put, I> > >> believe the body's innate intelligence is more intelligent than > you> > > do.> > >>> > >> The theory of a flat world was well accepted for many hundreds > of> > >> years, scholars wrote books about the subject, it was taught in> > > schools,> > >> everyone knew of the sea creatures that would devour the > unexpecting> > >> traveler that would fall off of the earth. I am sure that during> > > this> > >> time had someone mentioned that the world was round and that > there> > > were> > >> no sea creatures they would have been laughed out of the schools > and> > >> called many names that you are probably calling me as you read > this.> > >> There is no nice way to change a paradigm, but here we go. I > look> > >> forward to your comments, I understand if you need some time to> > > digest> > >> this information. I have much, much (assessment, treatment, > etc.)> > > more,> > >> welcome to correct theory and a round world.> > >>> > >> Brad Welker, D.C., Shad McLagan, D.C., Baker, D.C.> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > OregonDCs rules:> > > 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve > is to > > > foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on > listserve > > > members will be tolerated.> > > 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.> > > 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up > anywhere. > > > However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, > forward, > > > or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member > without > > > his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been > removed.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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