Re: If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believe the world is still flat!

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Read Art Croft's "Whiplash Injuries" pp. 392-393. Matt Terreri, DCVern Saboe <vsaboe@...> wrote: Salter's work whom developed the continuous passive motion units.... Vern If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believe the world is still flat! I give you 2 pills, one red, one blue. It is your choice, if you choose to continue reading take the red pill, if you choose to take the blue pill stop reading and close this e-mail. Red Pill- Follow me down the rabbit trail...... Two well accepted theories within the chiropractic/manipulation/mobilization fields. Unfortunately, neither theory was very well thought out. Many practitioners believe both theories to be correct, mostly because they don't understand either one. Malposition, meaning wrong or abnormal position has become accepted as the

primary basis of manipulation. To believe this theory we must first believe that the body is wrong and not intelligent enough to "put it back in". Malposition theory works as long as we believe the body to be unintelligent. What if, the body did not pull the joint "out of alignment" but into alignment to help stabilize. In this case, realigning the malposition would work against the body. The body is able to control Ph, blood pressure, ect., but when it comes to stabilizing a simple joint it becomes unintelligent. Common sense in this case seem to contradict malposition. Fixation theory- why does a joint become fixated? Meniscal entrapment, muscle guarding, free cartilage "joint mice", etc. Under any of these circumstances it would be contraindicated to push through the fixation. If it is a meniscal entrapment why would we want to work against the guarding mechanism and pain

that the body is trying to protect. Muscle guarding occurs for 3 basic reasons; 1) guarding secondary to strain, 2) guarding secondary to joint instability, 3) neuritis or increased nerve tone. Again, if we believe that the body is first wrong and we as chiropractors are correct then we manipulate what we believe is an unintelligent system. Joint mice- this is a fairly easy one, I can't think of any logical reason why we would manipulate against a cartilage tear/ joint mice? Simply put, I believe the body's innate intelligence is more intelligent than you do. The theory of a flat world was well accepted for many hundreds of years, scholars wrote books about the subject, it was taught in schools, everyone knew of the sea creatures that would devour the unexpecting traveler that would fall off of the earth. I am sure that during this

time had someone mentioned that the world was round and that there were no sea creatures they would have been laughed out of the schools and called many names that you are probably calling me as you read this. There is no nice way to change a paradigm, but here we go. I look forward to your comments, I understand if you need some time to digest this information. I have much, much (assessment, treatment, etc.) more, welcome to correct theory and a round world. Brad Welker, D.C., Shad McLagan, D.C., Baker, D.C.

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Dr. Terreri,

Thank you for the information, I appreciate it.

Brad Welker, D.C.

> DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Salter's work whom

developed the continuous passive motion units....

>

> Vern

> If we believe fixation/ malposition we must

also believe the world is still flat!

>

>

> I give you 2 pills, one red, one blue. It is your choice, if

you choose to continue reading take the red pill, if you choose to

take the blue pill stop reading and close this e-mail.

>

> Red Pill- Follow me down the rabbit trail......

>

> Two well accepted theories within the

chiropractic/manipulation/mobilization fields. Unfortunately,

neither theory was very well thought out. Many practitioners believe

both theories to be correct, mostly because they don't understand

either one. Malposition, meaning wrong or abnormal position has

become accepted as the primary basis of manipulation. To believe

this theory we must first believe that the body is wrong and not

intelligent enough to " put it back in " . Malposition theory works as

long as we believe the body to be unintelligent. What if, the body

did not pull the joint " out of alignment " but into alignment to help

stabilize. In this case, realigning the malposition would work

against the body. The body is able to control Ph, blood pressure,

ect., but when it comes to stabilizing a simple joint it becomes

unintelligent. Common sense in this case seem to contradict

malposition. Fixation theory- why does a joint become fixated?

Meniscal entrapment,

> muscle guarding, free cartilage " joint mice " , etc. Under any of

these circumstances it would be contraindicated to push through the

fixation. If it is a meniscal entrapment why would we want to work

against the guarding mechanism and pain that the body is trying to

protect. Muscle guarding occurs for 3 basic reasons; 1) guarding

secondary to strain, 2) guarding secondary to joint instability, 3)

neuritis or increased nerve tone. Again, if we believe that the body

is first wrong and we as chiropractors are correct then we manipulate

what we believe is an unintelligent system. Joint mice- this is a

fairly easy one, I can't think of any logical reason why we would

manipulate against a cartilage tear/ joint mice? Simply put, I

believe the body's innate intelligence is more intelligent than you

do.

>

> The theory of a flat world was well accepted for many hundreds

of years, scholars wrote books about the subject, it was taught in

schools, everyone knew of the sea creatures that would devour the

unexpecting traveler that would fall off of the earth. I am sure

that during this time had someone mentioned that the world was round

and that there were no sea creatures they would have been laughed out

of the schools and called many names that you are probably calling me

as you read this. There is no nice way to change a paradigm, but

here we go. I look forward to your comments, I understand if you

need some time to digest this information. I have much, much

(assessment, treatment, etc.) more, welcome to correct theory and a

round world.

>

> Brad Welker, D.C., Shad McLagan, D.C., Baker, D.C.

>

>

>

>

>

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I am curious to find out when our colleague will jack us into the mainframe and finally show us the matrix.....and whether he will turn out to be Morpheus, Neo or......Agent .

Rod , DC

Tillamook, OR

If we believe fixation/ malposition we must also believe the world is still flat!

I give you 2 pills, one red, one blue. It is your choice, if you choose to continue reading take the red pill, if you choose to take the blue pill stop reading and close this e-mail.

Red Pill- Follow me down the rabbit trail......

Two well accepted theories within the chiropractic/manipulation/mobilization fields. Unfortunately, neither theory was very well thought out. Many practitioners believe both theories to be correct, mostly because they don't understand either one. Malposition, meaning wrong or abnormal position has become accepted as the primary basis of manipulation. To believe this theory we must first believe that the body is wrong and not intelligent enough to "put it back in". Malposition theory works as long as we believe the body to be unintelligent. What if, the body did not pull the joint "out of alignment" but into alignment to help stabilize. In this case, realigning the malposition would work against the body. The body is able to control Ph, blood pressure, ect., but when it comes to stabilizing a simple joint it becomes unintelligent. Common sense in this case seem to contradict malposition. Fixation theory- why does a joint become fixated? Meniscal entrapment, muscle guarding, free cartilage "joint mice", etc. Under any of these circumstances it would be contraindicated to push through the fixation. If it is a meniscal entrapment why would we want to work against the guarding mechanism and pain that the body is trying to protect. Muscle guarding occurs for 3 basic reasons; 1) guarding secondary to strain, 2) guarding secondary to joint instability, 3) neuritis or increased nerve tone. Again, if we believe that the body is first wrong and we as chiropractors are correct then we manipulate what we believe is an unintelligent system. Joint mice- this is a fairly easy one, I can't think of any logical reason why we would manipulate against a cartilage tear/ joint mice? Simply put, I believe the body's innate intelligence is more intelligent than you do.

The theory of a flat world was well accepted for many hundreds of years, scholars wrote books about the subject, it was taught in schools, everyone knew of the sea creatures that would devour the unexpecting traveler that would fall off of the earth. I am sure that during this time had someone mentioned that the world was round and that there were no sea creatures they would have been laughed out of the schools and called many names that you are probably calling me as you read this. There is no nice way to change a paradigm, but here we go. I look forward to your comments, I understand if you need some time to digest this information. I have much, much (assessment, treatment, etc.) more, welcome to correct theory and a round world.

Brad Welker, D.C., Shad McLagan, D.C., Baker, D.C.

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Doc. Welker,

I must join in this most incredible discussion. I must agree with many of docs

who seem incredulous that this discussion would even occur on a listserve with

practicing chiropractors. I would like to mention to you that chiropractic

biophysics might be a branch of chiropractic for you to begin doing some reading

and priviate research. They have published nearly 100 papers in peer reviewed

jounals that collectivey annihilate your rambling muses on fixated/malpositined

vertebrae.

This research clearly establishes that there is a normal alignment of the spine

which can be measured accurately from x-rays. This resarch further clearly

indicates that malpositioned vertebral segments(bad posture) is strongly

correlated with increased levels of pain.

I urge you Brad to do some homework before you rattle the cages of a bunch of

veteran, war hardend chiros who have spent years of there lives correcting the

very problems that you say really don't exist. You need to discover the real

world and leave your philosophical playground of the mind.

Respectfully

Schneider DC

PDX

----- If we believe fixation/ malposition we must

>> > also

>> >> believe the world is still flat!

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> I give you 2 pills, one red, one blue. It is your choice, if you

>> > choose

>> >> to continue reading take the red pill, if you choose to take the

>> > blue

>> >> pill stop reading and close this e-mail.

>> >>

>> >> Red Pill- Follow me down the rabbit trail......

>> >>

>> >> Two well accepted theories within the

>> >> chiropractic/manipulation/mobilization fields. Unfortunately,

>> > neither

>> >> theory was very well thought out. Many practitioners believe

>both

>> >> theories to be correct, mostly because they don't understand

>either

>> > one.

>> >> Malposition, meaning wrong or abnormal position has become

>accepted

>> > as

>> >> the primary basis of manipulation. To believe this theory we

>must

>> > first

>> >> believe that the body is wrong and not intelligent enough

>to " put it

>> >> back in " . Malposition theory works as long as we believe the

>body

>> > to be

>> >> unintelligent. What if, the body did not pull the joint " out of

>> >> alignment " but into alignment to help stabilize. In this case,

>> >> realigning the malposition would work against the body. The

>body is

>> >> able to control Ph, blood pressure, ect., but when it comes to

>> >> stabilizing a simple joint it becomes unintelligent. Common

>sense

>> > in

>> >> this case seem to contradict malposition. Fixation theory- why

>> > does a

>> >> joint become fixated? Meniscal entrapment, muscle guarding, free

>> >> cartilage " joint mice " , etc. Under any of these circumstances it

>> > would

>> >> be contraindicated to push through the fixation. If it is a

>> > meniscal

>> >> entrapment why would we want to work against the guarding

>mechanism

>> > and

>> >> pain that the body is trying to protect. Muscle guarding occurs

>> > for 3

>> >> basic reasons; 1) guarding secondary to strain, 2) guarding

>> > secondary to

>> >> joint instability, 3) neuritis or increased nerve tone. Again,

>if

>> > we

>> >> believe that the body is first wrong and we as chiropractors are

>> > correct

>> >> then we manipulate what we believe is an unintelligent system.

>> > Joint

>> >> mice- this is a fairly easy one, I can't think of any logical

>> > reason why

>> >> we would manipulate against a cartilage tear/ joint mice? Simply

>> > put, I

>> >> believe the body's innate intelligence is more intelligent than

>you

>> > do.

>> >>

>> >> The theory of a flat world was well accepted for many hundreds

>of

>> >> years, scholars wrote books about the subject, it was taught in

>> > schools,

>> >> everyone knew of the sea creatures that would devour the

>unexpecting

>> >> traveler that would fall off of the earth. I am sure that during

>> > this

>> >> time had someone mentioned that the world was round and that

>there

>> > were

>> >> no sea creatures they would have been laughed out of the schools

>and

>> >> called many names that you are probably calling me as you read

>this.

>> >> There is no nice way to change a paradigm, but here we go. I

>look

>> >> forward to your comments, I understand if you need some time to

>> > digest

>> >> this information. I have much, much (assessment, treatment,

>etc.)

>> > more,

>> >> welcome to correct theory and a round world.

>> >>

>> >> Brad Welker, D.C., Shad McLagan, D.C., Baker, D.C.

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

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