RE: PTs Learning Chiropractic Adjustments/Manipuolations

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Why are they teaching it if it's not in their scope as of yet? That would be like chiro college teaching Prolotherapy or whatever.

We have to fight this crap with all we got.

Dr. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St. #6Portland, OR 97211Ph: 503-788-6800c: 503-889-6204

"PTs Learning Chiropractic Adjustments/Manipuolations"

Dear Colleagues,

Just got off the phone with one of the professors at Pacific Univ School of PT. He confirmed that they are being taught spinal manipulation/adjustments e.g.., high velocity low amplitude thrusting procedures.....in their "Neck and Trunk" assessment and intervention course which is a whole 45 hrs long!

Comments?

Vern Saboe

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My guess is the schools our teaching manipulation so the PTs can say, " It should

be in our scope. Our schools teach it. "

With a school teaching manipulation it takes away the strongest criticism of PTs

performing it.

Glenn Sykes, DC

Newberg, OR

Re: " PTs Learning Chiropractic Adjustments/Manipuolations "

>

>Why are they teaching it if it's not in their scope as of yet? That would be

like chiro college teaching Prolotherapy or whatever.

>

>We have to fight this crap with all we got.

>

>

>Dr. ph Medlin D.C.

>Spine Tree Chiropractic

>1627 NE Alberta St. #6

>Portland, OR 97211

>Ph: 503-788-6800

>c: 503-889-6204

> " PTs Learning Chiropractic Adjustments/Manipuolations "

>

>

> Dear Colleagues,

>

> Just got off the phone with one of the professors at Pacific Univ School of

PT. He confirmed that they are being taught spinal manipulation/adjustments

e.g.., high velocity low amplitude thrusting procedures.....in their " Neck and

Trunk " assessment and intervention course which is a whole 45 hrs long!

>

> Comments?

>

> Vern Saboe

>

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Dear Vern and Colleagues:

What can be learned in a 45 hour long course? This information needs to be exposed to the general public regarding the true education and experience that is offered by the P.T.'s that perform mobilization.

We need to strengthen our professional status and be strong about our specialty and

musculoskeletal/ neurological and wellness abilities.

Why does the general public choose Chiropractic care for this problem or that?

Because it is the most cost effective, and offers the quickest response for the majority of the conditions we treat. Nothing restores a sore back quicker than chiropractic care. period. Nothing restores a sports injury quicker than Chiropractic care. Want to compete as an athlete with the best "performance health" possible? There is simply nothing that comes close to our results.

Dean

Portland, Oregon

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Dear Colleagues,

Just got off the phone with one of the professors at Pacific Univ School of PT. He confirmed that they are being taught spinal manipulation/adjustments e.g.., high velocity low amplitude thrusting procedures.....in their "Neck and Trunk" assessment and intervention course which is a whole 45 hrs long!

Comments?

Vern Saboe

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Good point Glenn!

Dr. ph Medlin D.C.

Spine Tree Chiropractic

1627 NE Alberta St. #6

Portland, OR 97211

Ph: 503-788-6800

c: 503-889-6204

" PTs Learning Chiropractic

>> Adjustments/Manipuolations "

>>

>>

>> Dear Colleagues,

>>

>> Just got off the phone with one of the professors at Pacific Univ School

>> of PT. He confirmed that they are being taught spinal

>> manipulation/adjustments e.g.., high velocity low amplitude thrusting

>> procedures.....in their " Neck and Trunk " assessment and intervention

>> course which is a whole 45 hrs long!

>>

>> Comments?

>>

>> Vern Saboe

>>

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Why are the schools teaching it if it is not in scope? We should be looking

at taking that course out of the curriculum, secondary to scope of practice

and public safety. It would appear that the PT schools are teaching

" chiropractic " . Maybe it is time for our board to protect the public.

Danno

" PTs Learning Chiropractic

>> Adjustments/Manipuolations "

>>

>>

>> Dear Colleagues,

>>

>> Just got off the phone with one of the professors at Pacific Univ School

>> of PT. He confirmed that they are being taught spinal

>> manipulation/adjustments e.g.., high velocity low amplitude thrusting

>> procedures.....in their " Neck and Trunk " assessment and intervention

>> course which is a whole 45 hrs long!

>>

>> Comments?

>>

>> Vern Saboe

>>

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Just because "someone" is teaching a 45-hour course at one of the PT schools PRESENTLY, doesn't mean the majority of PT's in the field have received this training.

Clearly, we should know who is teaching these "manipulation" courses.

And, clearly, we should force an education/qualification distinction between ALL joint segments...(i.e., cervical, thoracic, lumbar, costovertebral, EXTREMITY...etc.). Are they "qualified" in all areas???

RR.

"PTs Learning Chiropractic Adjustments/Manipuolations">>> Dear Colleagues,>> Just got off the phone with one of the professors at Pacific Univ School of PT. He confirmed that they are being taught spinal manipulation/adjustments e.g.., high velocity low amplitude thrusting procedures.....in their "Neck and Trunk" assessment and intervention course which is a whole 45 hrs long!>> Comments?>> Vern Saboe> OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

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Dean and colleagues,

Understand that those 45 hours are for "Musculoskeletal Exam & intervention for the neck & trunk" hence a very limited number of those whopping 45 hours are relative to their training/being shown how to perform/in spinal adjustments/manipulations...can you say yikes!

Vern Saboe

RE: "PTs Learning Chiropractic Adjustments/Manipuolations"

Dear Vern and Colleagues:

What can be learned in a 45 hour long course? This information needs to be exposed to the general public regarding the true education and experience that is offered by the P.T.'s that perform mobilization.

We need to strengthen our professional status and be strong about our specialty and

musculoskeletal/ neurological and wellness abilities.

Why does the general public choose Chiropractic care for this problem or that?

Because it is the most cost effective, and offers the quickest response for the majority of the conditions we treat. Nothing restores a sore back quicker than chiropractic care. period. Nothing restores a sports injury quicker than Chiropractic care. Want to compete as an athlete with the best "performance health" possible? There is simply nothing that comes close to our results.

Dean

Portland, Oregon

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Vern SaboeSent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 1:41 PMOregondcs Subject: "PTs Learning Chiropractic Adjustments/Manipuolations"

Dear Colleagues,

Just got off the phone with one of the professors at Pacific Univ School of PT. He confirmed that they are being taught spinal manipulation/adjustments e.g.., high velocity low amplitude thrusting procedures.....in their "Neck and Trunk" assessment and intervention course which is a whole 45 hrs long!

Comments?

Vern Saboe

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Greetings, friends,More information is needed in regard to PTs and manipulative training (MT).  We need to know the extent of such training statewide and nationwide in the various PT schools.  We need to know how broadly MT is being used in state/nation.  We need to discover any problems that have arisen as a result of PT use of MT state/nation wide.  We need to know if any applicable laws are violated, or safety of public is endangered.  We need legal advice as to possible scenarios for response.Does the Board have a budget for this type of intervention/discovery?  Do the Associations?  Sears, DCNW PDXOn Oct 18, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Vern Saboe wrote:Dear Colleagues, Just got off the phone with one of the professors at Pacific Univ School of PT.  He confirmed that they are being taught spinal manipulation/adjustments e.g.., high velocity low amplitude thrusting procedures.....in their "Neck and Trunk" assessment and intervention course which is a whole 45 hrs long! Comments? Vern Saboe

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This is a function of now getting a legislative mandate in order to be able to come out of the closet and advertise their wares. Time to squelch it. sharron fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of deadmedSent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:46 PMOregondcs ; Vern SaboeSubject: Re: "PTs Learning Chiropractic Adjustments/Manipuolations"

Why are they teaching it if it's not in their scope as of yet? That would be like chiro college teaching Prolotherapy or whatever.

We have to fight this crap with all we got.

Dr. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St. #6Portland, OR 97211Ph: 503-788-6800c: 503-889-6204

"PTs Learning Chiropractic Adjustments/Manipuolations"

Dear Colleagues,

Just got off the phone with one of the professors at Pacific Univ School of PT. He confirmed that they are being taught spinal manipulation/adjustments e.g.., high velocity low amplitude thrusting procedures.....in their "Neck and Trunk" assessment and intervention course which is a whole 45 hrs long!

Comments?

Vern Saboe