Re: Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on Contributions

[Guest guest]

Boy ,Vern ,the terms limits issue has been tried before and it failed. I am tired of getting nothing done on many issues and some times the fault is having to 'reinvent' the wheel all the time with 'new' people coming in to office and having such a steep and impotent learning curve.

It all sounds nicey, nice but it doesn't workey , work.

sharron fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Vern SaboeSent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:48 PMOregondcs Subject: "Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on Contributions"

Dear Colleagues,

Voting yes on the three measures relative to term limits and limiting PACs to individual contributors only (no large corps donating $100,000s to a PAC) with each individual being able to contribute a max of $50 per year would really help to level the playing field for the profession by making politics in Oregon truly a grass roots effort.

No longer would races such as the Sen. Vicki vs. Jim Torrey races cost nearly $2 million dollars...which is nuts. Large corps can write $50,000, $100,000, and beyond checks and basically purchase legislators.....we could say goodby to all the expensive TV ads etc.,

In my opinion and others these measures would really turn our Oregon legislature into a true "citizen's legislature" which would finally level the playing field for our chiropractic patient issues....

Vern Saboe, DC

[Guest guest]

Well Dr. Fuchs,

Not to debate you but to correct you of course (love that line ha!). As per "...term limits issue has been tried before and it failed." Term limits didn't fail Sharron and colleagues, though soundly supported by voters the Oregon Supreme Court struck it down on technicalities. There was more than one basic issue within the language of the prior initiative petition that made it on the ballot and that which voters overwhelmingly approved and will this time.

They have simply addressed the language the Supreme Court's pointed out as inappropriate and in violation of Oregon's constitution.

Currently our enemies namely the business lobby, insurance industry, and the Oregon Medical Association continually pressure incumbent legislators to vote against health insurance carriers having to cover chiropractic services (insurance parity), or any willing provider legislation, or to return full attending physician status to chiropractic colleagues in Workers' Comp.

Interestingly these groups historically have relied on the Republican caucus to stop such legislation, which by the way is what we have dreamed of for years and years....and that which the public and this profession deserve.

Understand for those of you who don't know paradoxically I'm a registered Republican....actually in reality I'm a independent....(voting more like a Democrat on social issues and like a Republican on business issues eg., excessive taxes!).

The point is this, from my experience over the last four years, yes we have wonderful friends on the Republican side of the isle, for example the current House Majority Leader Rep. Wayne (Canby) was huge for us last session and is a long time chiropractic patient. The Speaker of the House Rep. Minnis is a recent chiropractic patient success story and all of her family members are or have been patients etc., etc., etc. However when the notion of insurance equality or parity for chiropractic services comes up the response is "well Vern that's tough, it's not going to fly etc." When asked why "because the business lobby will not support another mandate" mandates cost business money and those costs have to be passed on to the consumer and that can result in reduced business which means employers will have to lay off employees etc., etc., etc., etc. I reply but what if that mandate actually saves business money, saves employers money, here, look at these two huge studies published in 2004 just before the 2005 legislative session which showed huge savings when consumers could select a chiropractic physician as their primary care doctor rather than a medical physician. Answer "the business lobby just will not believe this to be true!"

The reality is the business lobby gives huge sums of money to the Republican caucus and in my opinion the Republican leadership is afraid that if they don't follow their orders (business lobby) they will lose those large chunks of money and as such risk the danger of losing the House to the D's as well! These two measures both take the big money out of the Oregon election/political process and purge those legislators currently serving that are beholding to the business lobby due to the large sums of money they have received over the years for their re-elections. Term limits and reform in campaign contributions would transform the current "big money" will win the day political process to a true grass roots movement where the little guys (e.g., us)) have a level playing field if not to actual favor us...as our ability to work the grass roots way far exceeds that of anything the big business lobby can duplicate it's what we are best at...

No more million dollar camapigns full of those lovely TV ads, so many of these legislators and new candidates are or have been chiropractic patients you simply can't believe it....these changes in the politcal process would simply allow the fact that "chiropractic works" to win the day......hope this made some kind of sense....

Vern Saboe

RE: "Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on Contributions"

Boy ,Vern ,the terms limits issue has been tried before and it failed. I am tired of getting nothing done on many issues and some times the fault is having to 'reinvent' the wheel all the time with 'new' people coming in to office and having such a steep and impotent learning curve.

It all sounds nicey, nice but it doesn't workey , work.

sharron fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Vern SaboeSent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:48 PMOregondcs Subject: "Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on Contributions"

Dear Colleagues,

Voting yes on the three measures relative to term limits and limiting PACs to individual contributors only (no large corps donating $100,000s to a PAC) with each individual being able to contribute a max of $50 per year would really help to level the playing field for the profession by making politics in Oregon truly a grass roots effort.

No longer would races such as the Sen. Vicki vs. Jim Torrey races cost nearly $2 million dollars...which is nuts. Large corps can write $50,000, $100,000, and beyond checks and basically purchase legislators.....we could say goodby to all the expensive TV ads etc.,

In my opinion and others these measures would really turn our Oregon legislature into a true "citizen's legislature" which would finally level the playing field for our chiropractic patient issues....

Vern Saboe, DC

[Guest guest]

Vern,

I am with you on campaign finance issue but I dod't see the advantage of term

limits for chiropractic. Would it not hurt us to loose some of our long

standing supporters to term limits?

Schneider

PDX

--------- Original Message ----------------------------------

From: " Vern Saboe " <vsaboe@...>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:48:09 -0700

>Dear Colleagues,

>

>Voting yes on the three measures relative to term limits and limiting PACs to

individual contributors only (no large corps donating $100,000s to a PAC) with

each individual being able to contribute a max of $50 per year would really help

to level the playing field for the profession by making politics in Oregon truly

a grass roots effort.

>

>No longer would races such as the Sen. Vicki vs. Jim Torrey races cost

nearly $2 million dollars...which is nuts. Large corps can write $50,000,

$100,000, and beyond checks and basically purchase legislators.....we could say

goodby to all the expensive TV ads etc.,

>

>In my opinion and others these measures would really turn our Oregon

legislature into a true " citizen's legislature " which would finally level the

playing field for our chiropractic patient issues....

>

>Vern Saboe, DC

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow VErn,

You never cease to amaze me. I would never have thought you would support

something like term limits. But now that you explain your reasoning I am

convinced you are not losing your mind. I have not mailed in my ballot yet and

I now intend to change my vote on this issue. I was on the fence on this one

and you have pushed me over to the ohter side.

Like you I pray the campaign finance measures pass and the field is leveled here

in Oregon. I do find it refreshing that a Republican such as yourself is voting

the same as the Siera Club recommends on the campaign finance measures. You

have a heart after all.

Schneider

PDX

----- " Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on Contributions "

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>

>

> Dear Colleagues,

>

> Voting yes on the three measures relative to term limits and limiting PACs to

individual contributors only (no large corps donating $100,000s to a PAC) with

each individual being able to contribute a max of $50 per year would really help

to level the playing field for the profession by making politics in Oregon truly

a grass roots effort.

>

> No longer would races such as the Sen. Vicki vs. Jim Torrey races cost

nearly $2 million dollars...which is nuts. Large corps can write $50,000,

$100,000, and beyond checks and basically purchase legislators.....we could say

goodby to all the expensive TV ads etc.,

>

> In my opinion and others these measures would really turn our Oregon

legislature into a true " citizen's legislature " which would finally level the

playing field for our chiropractic patient issues....

>

> Vern Saboe, DC

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Up early working.....yes Will and colleagues term limits will help purge the

system of some very negative people for us and most of the new in coming

legislators will have been to a chiropractic colleague. ...and free from

the entanglements of large PAC money they can vote for what is fair, what

makes sense, without worry of losing those large PAC donations etc....I

believe it will indeed change everything...level the playing field for us.

For example, last week I had a meeting with a democratic candidate from the

Beaverton area running for Brad Avakian Dist. 34 seat Suzan Bonamici. She

is a great gal long time chiropractic patient of our colleague Dr.

Stady and very supportive of the profession. She is an attorney who

has a focus on...are you

ready....consumer protection! ICE PAC gave her $500 toward her campaign

(wish is could have be 5 million!). What a wonderful person, just

stellar....and speaking of the " big money boys, " cas in point;

.....Larry was as republican House member, became Chair of the

Business and Labor Committee, and then on to be two time Speaker of the

House in the 1980's and early 90's. During that time he was the

profession's nemesis clearly taking his marching orders from the big money,

business

lobby. Time and time again he would refuse to hear our chiropractic

Workers' comp bills even though we had the floor votes in the House and

Senate.....we could never get out of his committee, hell he wouldn't even

give our bills a hearing.....

Just before he was gone as Speaker of the House he started pressuring the

large business companies to pony up large yearly PAC donations.

started what is called the " Victory PAC, " which controls and which

only gives to new Republican candidates running for office for the first

time.

The rational was to ensure the R's kept control of the House....well guess

what Larry

is now a lobbyist and one of his clients is (are you ready...drum

roll please) SAIF which pays him approx.

$8,000 per month for his efforts, but he has many other clients as well.....

Suzan Bonamichii told me that 's " Victory PAC " wrote her Republican

opponent a $35,000 check! ...and that is what does, he writes those

big checks....it has even been said he can purchase Chairs of

Committee's...which means because of how much money his " Victory PAC "

gives to the Republican caucus he can put undue influence on the Speaker

to appoint one of " his guys/gals " as chair of a key committee...most notably

the Business and Labor Committee which tends to hear all Workers' Comp

proposed legislation....does any of this sound a little to " circular! "

Of course on the flip side you have the big labor unions who can give

big bucks as well....all of which will be eliminated with this reform

measure.

Politics in Oregon will truly become a grass roots phenomenon which will

play to our strong suit, and the Oregon Legislature will truly became a

citizens legislature. So........

......Uncle Vern says vote YES and vote often ha!

Have a great day doctors and hit a homerun today,

Vern Saboe

" Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on

>> Contributions "

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>>

>>

>> Dear Colleagues,

>>

>> Voting yes on the three measures relative to term limits and limiting

>> PACs to individual contributors only (no large corps donating $100,000s

>> to a PAC) with each individual being able to contribute a max of $50 per

>> year would really help to level the playing field for the profession by

>> making politics in Oregon truly a grass roots effort.

>>

>> No longer would races such as the Sen. Vicki vs. Jim Torrey races

>> cost nearly $2 million dollars...which is nuts. Large corps can write

>> $50,000, $100,000, and beyond checks and basically purchase

>> legislators.....we could say goodby to all the expensive TV ads etc.,

>>

>> In my opinion and others these measures would really turn our Oregon

>> legislature into a true " citizen's legislature " which would finally level

>> the playing field for our chiropractic patient issues....

>>

>> Vern Saboe, DC

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

Vern You said, The reality is the business lobby gives huge sums of money to the Republican caucus and in my opinion the Republican leadership is afraid that if they don't follow their orders (business lobby) they will lose those large chunks of money and as such risk the danger of losing the House to the D's as well! These two measures both take the big money out of the Oregon election/political process and purge those legislators currently serving that are beholding to the business lobby due to the large sums of money they have received over the years for their re-elections. Term limits and reform in campaign contributions would transform the current "big money" will win the day political process to a true grass roots movement where the little guys (e.g., us)) have a level playing field if not to actual favor us...as our ability to work the grass roots way far exceeds that of anything the big business lobby can duplicate it's what we are best at...

Couldn't we vote for the measure decreasing contributions wihout voting for the term limits measure to level the playing field?

My feeling is if we got good people in there, why not have them represent us as long as possible. Even the president, if voted for, in my opinion should be able to continue to run. Why, we could have had Bill Clinton for 4 more years!!!!

Dr. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1627 NE Alberta St. #6Portland, OR 97211Ph: 503-788-6800c: 503-889-6204

RE: "Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on Contributions"

Boy ,Vern ,the terms limits issue has been tried before and it failed. I am tired of getting nothing done on many issues and some times the fault is having to 'reinvent' the wheel all the time with 'new' people coming in to office and having such a steep and impotent learning curve.

It all sounds nicey, nice but it doesn't workey , work.

sharron fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Vern SaboeSent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:48 PMOregondcs Subject: "Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on Contributions"

Dear Colleagues,

Voting yes on the three measures relative to term limits and limiting PACs to individual contributors only (no large corps donating $100,000s to a PAC) with each individual being able to contribute a max of $50 per year would really help to level the playing field for the profession by making politics in Oregon truly a grass roots effort.

No longer would races such as the Sen. Vicki vs. Jim Torrey races cost nearly $2 million dollars...which is nuts. Large corps can write $50,000, $100,000, and beyond checks and basically purchase legislators.....we could say goodby to all the expensive TV ads etc.,

In my opinion and others these measures would really turn our Oregon legislature into a true "citizen's legislature" which would finally level the playing field for our chiropractic patient issues....

Vern Saboe, DC

[Guest guest]

After going to my neighborhood association candidates fair last night,

I will be voting against term limits and against campaign finance

reform. The ballot box, by the people, determines 'terms' and.... if the

weasels can weasel around campaign finance reform and still contribute

huge sums of money I have to be able to fight back financially. Another

attendee made a great comment that if the 'media' decides to go after a

person or issue they have essentially a free voice out to thousands of

people and the other side has to be able to fight back. And it takes

money $$$.

sharron fuchs dc

Re: " Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on

Contributions "

Wow VErn,

You never cease to amaze me. I would never have thought you would

support something like term limits. But now that you explain your

reasoning I am convinced you are not losing your mind. I have not

mailed in my ballot yet and I now intend to change my vote on this

issue. I was on the fence on this one and you have pushed me over to

the ohter side.

Like you I pray the campaign finance measures pass and the field is

leveled here in Oregon. I do find it refreshing that a Republican such

as yourself is voting the same as the Siera Club recommends on the

campaign finance measures. You have a heart after all.

Schneider

PDX

----- " Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on

Contributions "

>

>

>

> Dear Colleagues,

>

> Voting yes on the three measures relative to term limits and limiting

PACs to individual contributors only (no large corps donating $100,000s

to a PAC) with each individual being able to contribute a max of $50 per

year would really help to level the playing field for the profession by

making politics in Oregon truly a grass roots effort.

>

> No longer would races such as the Sen. Vicki vs. Jim Torrey

> races cost nearly $2 million dollars...which is nuts. Large corps can

> write $50,000, $100,000, and beyond checks and basically purchase

> legislators.....we could say goodby to all the expensive TV ads etc.,

>

> In my opinion and others these measures would really turn our Oregon

legislature into a true " citizen's legislature " which would finally

level the playing field for our chiropractic patient issues....

>

> Vern Saboe, DC

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Vern,

Will labor unions and teacher associations be restricted from making large

donations to a specific candidate as well? And what will stop them from

advertising (read spending millions of dollars in TV ads, etc) directly on

behalf of a candidate? Just limiting the ability of large corporations to give

large sums of money will not remove " special interests " from the legislative

process.

Labor union and teacher associations are " special interest groups " as well.

Vissers

----- " Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on

>Contributions "

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>>

>>

>> Dear Colleagues,

>>

>> Voting yes on the three measures relative to term limits and limiting

>PACs to individual contributors only (no large corps donating $100,000s

>to a PAC) with each individual being able to contribute a max of $50 per

>year would really help to level the playing field for the profession by

>making politics in Oregon truly a grass roots effort.

>>

>> No longer would races such as the Sen. Vicki vs. Jim Torrey

>> races cost nearly $2 million dollars...which is nuts. Large corps can

>

>> write $50,000, $100,000, and beyond checks and basically purchase

>> legislators.....we could say goodby to all the expensive TV ads etc.,

>>

>> In my opinion and others these measures would really turn our Oregon

>legislature into a true " citizen's legislature " which would finally

>level the playing field for our chiropractic patient issues....

>>

>> Vern Saboe, DC

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes of course we could, but term limits would rid the Oregon Legislature of some enemies of the profession....with that said of the two issues the contributions issue is the more important of the two and yes over time those current enemies of the profession would drop out of the legislature...

Vern Saboe

RE: "Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on Contributions"

Boy ,Vern ,the terms limits issue has been tried before and it failed. I am tired of getting nothing done on many issues and some times the fault is having to 'reinvent' the wheel all the time with 'new' people coming in to office and having such a steep and impotent learning curve.

It all sounds nicey, nice but it doesn't workey , work.

sharron fuchs dc

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Vern SaboeSent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:48 PMOregondcs Subject: "Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on Contributions"

Dear Colleagues,

Voting yes on the three measures relative to term limits and limiting PACs to individual contributors only (no large corps donating $100,000s to a PAC) with each individual being able to contribute a max of $50 per year would really help to level the playing field for the profession by making politics in Oregon truly a grass roots effort.

No longer would races such as the Sen. Vicki vs. Jim Torrey races cost nearly $2 million dollars...which is nuts. Large corps can write $50,000, $100,000, and beyond checks and basically purchase legislators.....we could say goodby to all the expensive TV ads etc.,

In my opinion and others these measures would really turn our Oregon legislature into a true "citizen's legislature" which would finally level the playing field for our chiropractic patient issues....

Vern Saboe, DC

[Guest guest]

Exactly ,

Of course the Oregon Ed Assoc., and the labor unions will also be equally

limited. Under this measure PAC s will still be allowed but they can be

made up of contributions by individuals only with each individual only able

to donate $50 per year to the PAC. It applies to all the " big money. "

Vern

" Vote Yes for Term Limits & Limits on

>>Contributions "

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Dear Colleagues,

>>>

>>> Voting yes on the three measures relative to term limits and limiting

>>PACs to individual contributors only (no large corps donating $100,000s

>>to a PAC) with each individual being able to contribute a max of $50 per

>>year would really help to level the playing field for the profession by

>>making politics in Oregon truly a grass roots effort.

>>>

>>> No longer would races such as the Sen. Vicki vs. Jim Torrey

>>> races cost nearly $2 million dollars...which is nuts. Large corps can

>>

>>> write $50,000, $100,000, and beyond checks and basically purchase

>>> legislators.....we could say goodby to all the expensive TV ads etc.,

>>>

>>> In my opinion and others these measures would really turn our Oregon

>>legislature into a true " citizen's legislature " which would finally

>>level the playing field for our chiropractic patient issues....

>>>

>>> Vern Saboe, DC

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>OregonDCs rules:

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