Re: STOP drinking milk an all dairy products! Any vegetarians here?

[Guest guest]

this article, althought it might have some elements of truth in it,

is written for " scare factor " , not siting any sources for the

conclusions made. It is not a good source to make informed decissions

on what foods you should or should not eat. Any article that talks

only of the " deaths caused by the medical industry " and not about the

millions of lives saved by the medical industry is suspect in my mind.

There are reasons why dairy products may not be the healthiest

choice, many of them we, here, already acknowledge (high in fat being

the key), however there have been studies done that suggest there are

benefits to limted use of dairy products as well. If you are

concerned about milk consumption, rather than listen to this kind of

yellow journalism do some on line research, consider the sources,

then make informed decissions on what will be best for you.

Alsy

[Guest guest]

Well said, Alys. I am so tired of all these urban legends floating

around about dairy products and artificial sweetners. There is

nothing wrong with dairy unless you're lactose intolerant. And even

if you are lactose intolerant, you can probably eat cottage cheese,

which has very little lactose and is one of the best foods out

there. Yes, some dairy products are high in fat, but there are low

fat versions available. I personally prefer soy milk to regular

milk, but only because I use unsweetened soy which has 1 gram of carb

and 10 grams of protein per one cup serving. I think regular milk is

a bit high in sugars.

> this article, althought it might have some elements of truth in it,

> is written for " scare factor " , not siting any sources for the

> conclusions made. It is not a good source to make informed

decissions

> on what foods you should or should not eat. Any article that talks

> only of the " deaths caused by the medical industry " and not about

the

> millions of lives saved by the medical industry is suspect in my

mind.

>

> There are reasons why dairy products may not be the healthiest

> choice, many of them we, here, already acknowledge (high in fat

being

> the key), however there have been studies done that suggest there

are

> benefits to limted use of dairy products as well. If you are

> concerned about milk consumption, rather than listen to this kind

of

> yellow journalism do some on line research, consider the sources,

> then make informed decissions on what will be best for you.

>

> Alsy

[Guest guest]

Well, everything's gonna kill us that's for sure. Even if milk is a

villain which I don't believe it is, one cannot underestimate or deny

the quality of the protein it contains. I personally don't " count "

milk as a protein but I recognize what lurks there while counting the

carbs instead.

I'm sure milk isn't good for someone whose carotid arteries are

already 90% occluded or for someone who already needs a bypass but

what probably clogged them wasn't milk but all the TFA's in those

baked goods. Skim milk wouldn't be the culprit in heart disease, etc.

anyway.

Re the bacteria: Unless you're already immunocompromised in some way

your own body is going to kill bacteria before it has a chance to

kill you. Milk is even kind enough to let us know when it is spoiled.

If milk is full of antibiotics wouldn't they kill the bacteria?

Stasia

[Guest guest]

> If milk is full of antibiotics wouldn't they kill the bacteria?

>

Actually, that is one of the suspects for the increasing number of

antibiotic resistant bacteria we are seeing. Small doses of

antibiotics (as we MIGHT be getting from ingesting milk) does little

more than kill of the weak germs, leaving the more resistant ones to

pass on their stronger genes.

But that all is an issue that is still being investigated, with

nothing conclusive to date, as far as I've heard anyway.

Alys

life is a dangerous proposition. " No one gets out of here alive " .

[Guest guest]

As someone who's severly lactose intolerant, I can say milk does pose

as a threat to me, but to the Average Joe, I reeeeeeally don't

believe that milk is a cause for death. While it's a shame to see

obese people at the grocery store purchasing whole milk, I don't seem

harm or foul in a healthy weight, healthy immune system, active

person wanting a glass of milk.

>

> > If milk is full of antibiotics wouldn't they kill the bacteria?

> >

>

> Actually, that is one of the suspects for the increasing number of

> antibiotic resistant bacteria we are seeing. Small doses of

> antibiotics (as we MIGHT be getting from ingesting milk) does

little

> more than kill of the weak germs, leaving the more resistant ones

to

> pass on their stronger genes.

>

> But that all is an issue that is still being investigated, with

> nothing conclusive to date, as far as I've heard anyway.

>

> Alys

> life is a dangerous proposition. " No one gets out of here alive " .

[Guest guest]

I guess we don't have any vegetarians here. If someone were to become

vegetarian, could they follow the bfl program?

> this article, althought it might have some elements of truth in it,

> is written for " scare factor " , not siting any sources for the

> conclusions made. It is not a good source to make informed

decissions

> on what foods you should or should not eat. Any article that talks

> only of the " deaths caused by the medical industry " and not about

the

> millions of lives saved by the medical industry is suspect in my

mind.

>

> There are reasons why dairy products may not be the healthiest

> choice, many of them we, here, already acknowledge (high in fat

being

> the key), however there have been studies done that suggest there

are

> benefits to limted use of dairy products as well. If you are

> concerned about milk consumption, rather than listen to this kind

of

> yellow journalism do some on line research, consider the sources,

> then make informed decissions on what will be best for you.

>

> Alsy

[Guest guest]

I visited the library this morning and did some reaseach. There is

plenty of documented facts on what the author of that article posted.

Also, if you visit the site at the link I posted, I believe there is

an entire bibliography with names, titles, and other " proof " to

confirm. Like myself, most people who say there is nothing wrong with

milk, do not state documented facts, yet many believe that, because

we WANT to believe it. However, the great thing about the internet is

that right here, right now, both arguments can be confirmed with the

mere search engine.

> this article, althought it might have some elements of truth in it,

> is written for " scare factor " , not siting any sources for the

> conclusions made. It is not a good source to make informed

decissions

> on what foods you should or should not eat. Any article that talks

> only of the " deaths caused by the medical industry " and not about

the

> millions of lives saved by the medical industry is suspect in my

mind.

>

> There are reasons why dairy products may not be the healthiest

> choice, many of them we, here, already acknowledge (high in fat

being

> the key), however there have been studies done that suggest there

are

> benefits to limted use of dairy products as well. If you are

> concerned about milk consumption, rather than listen to this kind

of

> yellow journalism do some on line research, consider the sources,

> then make informed decissions on what will be best for you.

>

> Alsy

[Guest guest]

A fave quote of mine comes from a well known pediatrician (Dr Lendon

)that cows milk is 'only for baby calves' and not for human

consumption ... he attributes many human allegies & ailments to

drinking milk .. so after alot of research I too choose not to drink

milk .. instead I use rice milk in my cereal & take a calcium

supplement..

And as for vegetarians doing BFL, yes there have been many who have

been on this board and there is still a current BFL Vegetarian Group

at: bodyforlifevegetarians2/messages/

<<joni>>

*got milk? no why should i?* LoL!