Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Dr. Hozapfel: If you contact me off list I can summarize my own experience with them. J. Pedersen DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 Wow, I guess as the US Olympic Team Chiropractic and two times Sports Chiropractor of the Year, I am not qualified to see your patients. I didn’t know that there was an ethical responsibility to refer patients to a fellow alumnus. Silly me, I try to refer to the most qualified provider for what ever skill is needed. Having worked with doctors from every college in the world, except 2, I can tell you that no college has the market on skilled practitioners. This also includes there interns. Sorry for the sarcasm, but this type of attitude just further divides our profession. Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP ACA Sports Council, 2nd Vice President Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road Beaverton, Oregon 97008 503.524.9040 www.bimsportsinjuries.com The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC at 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road, Beaverton, OR-97008. and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hillsdale Chiropractic Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: CHP We are no longer in network with CHP and need to refer our patients to another CHP provider in the area. Are there any Palmer grad Drs in the Hillsdale/SW Portland area that are still accepting Kaiser/CHP referrals? Have most of you been having as much difficutly in dealing with CHP as us? Thank you for your time, Leah Maio Office Manager Hillsdale Chiropractic & Rehabilitation Center 6339 SW Capitol Hwy Portland, OR, 97239 503.246.1881 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I think the notion of requesting a Palmer grad is an attempt to assure that the chiropractor is "philosophically sound". Us chiropractors can be a bit defensive at times. I find nothing wrong with a patient requesting a specific graduate. It happens in all professions and is normal. People often come to my office because i went to Life West. Why? They had a positive experience somewhere with an alum i guess. Also, sometimes folks are quite privy to adjusting and they do their research as to the schools that offer more diverse curriculum in that arena. Despite the fact that we All become better with time, can we blame them for this? ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropracticwww.spinetreepdx.com RE: CHP Wow, I guess as the US Olympic Team Chiropractic and two times Sports Chiropractor of the Year, I am not qualified to see your patients. I didn’t know that there was an ethical responsibility to refer patients to a fellow alumnus. Silly me, I try to refer to the most qualified provider for what ever skill is needed. Having worked with doctors from every college in the world, except 2, I can tell you that no college has the market on skilled practitioners. This also includes there interns. Sorry for the sarcasm, but this type of attitude just further divides our profession. Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP ACA Sports Council, 2nd Vice President Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road Beaverton, Oregon 97008 503.524.9040 www.bimsportsinjuries.com The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC at 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road, Beaverton, OR-97008. and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hillsdale ChiropracticSent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: CHP We are no longer in network with CHP and need to refer our patients to another CHP provider in the area. Are there any Palmer grad Drs in the Hillsdale/SW Portland area that are still accepting Kaiser/CHP referrals? Have most of you been having as much difficutly in dealing with CHP as us? Thank you for your time, Leah MaioOffice Manager Hillsdale Chiropractic & Rehabilitation Center6339 SW Capitol HwyPortland, OR, 97239503.246.1881 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I have yet have a patient ask to be referred to an MD that McGill graduate or an OHSU graduate, or a PT from PU vs. Northwestern. Maybe chiropractors are different than other professions that have similar philosophical differences, but yet have no issue with cross referral. ??? Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP ACA Sports Council, 2nd Vice President Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road Beaverton, Oregon 97008 503.524.9040 www.bimsportsinjuries.com The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC at 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road, Beaverton, OR-97008. and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: joe medlin [mailto:spinetree@...] Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:09 AM Hillsdale Chiropractic; ; Dr. Ted Forcum Subject: Re: CHP I think the notion of requesting a Palmer grad is an attempt to assure that the chiropractor is " philosophically sound " . Us chiropractors can be a bit defensive at times. I find nothing wrong with a patient requesting a specific graduate. It happens in all professions and is normal. People often come to my office because i went to Life West. Why? They had a positive experience somewhere with an alum i guess. Also, sometimes folks are quite privy to adjusting and they do their research as to the schools that offer more diverse curriculum in that arena. Despite the fact that we All become better with time, can we blame them for this? ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic www.spinetreepdx.com CHP We are no longer in network with CHP and need to refer our patients to another CHP provider in the area. Are there any Palmer grad Drs in the Hillsdale/SW Portland area that are still accepting Kaiser/CHP referrals? Have most of you been having as much difficutly in dealing with CHP as us? Thank you for your time, Leah Maio Office Manager Hillsdale Chiropractic & Rehabilitation Center 6339 SW Capitol Hwy Portland, OR, 97239 503.246.1881 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 I see your point, but nobody has similar differences in philosophy that reach the levels of chiropractic colleges and hence chiropractors themselves. We are all over the map therefore we have requests like this. It's unfortunate and perhaps a good reason for all of them to get on the same page. It's our professions own fault. If the discrepancies were as blatant in other professions you can bet there would be more folks asking for specific graduates. Our primary method of treatment is the adjustment. It's what we do as chiropractors. Unfortunately there is no standard in which this is taught and some schools focus highly on it, and some treat it almost as an elective. This is NOT a discrepancy in number of Public Health hours or something like that. Some folks are privy to this and request a doctor that has broader training in adjusting. What can you do except shake your head and urge our schools to standardize a bit more? It certainly is no fault of the patient. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropracticwww.spinetreepdx.com RE: CHP Wow, I guess as the US Olympic Team Chiropractic and two times Sports Chiropractor of the Year, I am not qualified to see your patients. I didn’t know that there was an ethical responsibility to refer patients to a fellow alumnus. Silly me, I try to refer to the most qualified provider for what ever skill is needed. Having worked with doctors from every college in the world, except 2, I can tell you that no college has the market on skilled practitioners. This also includes there interns. Sorry for the sarcasm, but this type of attitude just further divides our profession. Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP ACA Sports Council, 2nd Vice President Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road Beaverton, Oregon 97008 503.524.9040 www.bimsportsinjuries.com The information contained in this electronic message may contain protected health information confidential under applicable law, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the recipient of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copy or disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify Back In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC at 11385 SW Scholls Ferry Road, Beaverton, OR-97008. and purge the communication immediately without making any copy or distribution. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Hillsdale ChiropracticSent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: CHP We are no longer in network with CHP and need to refer our patients to another CHP provider in the area. Are there any Palmer grad Drs in the Hillsdale/SW Portland area that are still accepting Kaiser/CHP referrals? Have most of you been having as much difficutly in dealing with CHP as us? Thank you for your time, Leah MaioOffice Manager Hillsdale Chiropractic & Rehabilitation Center6339 SW Capitol HwyPortland, OR, 97239503.246.1881 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Docs/Listmembers: I have removed Hillsdale Chiropractic from list because: 1- they never responded initialy with doctor's name and license number (but I admitted them to list anyway) 2- This is NOT a list-serve for office managers, this is a list-serv for doctors (and other specials guests as we have described in prior posts). If anybody knows the doc(s) there at Hillsdale chiropractic, tell them they can send me their name and license number and they (not their office manager) are welcome to join the list. Moderator > > > We are no longer in network with CHP and need to refer our patients to another CHP provider in the area. Are there any Palmer grad Drs in the Hillsdale/SW Portland area that are still accepting Kaiser/CHP referrals? Have most of you been having as much difficutly in dealing with CHP as us? > > Thank you for your time, > > Leah Maio > Office Manager Hillsdale Chiropractic & Rehabilitation Center6339 SW Capitol HwyPortland, OR, 97239503.246.1881 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Re: “can we blame them for this?“ Yes. We should correct them when they are being a moron. When we get phone calls from patients who saw a Palmer graduate who admonished them to only seek Palmer grads, we tell them that I was taught by Palmer graduates, so I have been trained in the “Palmer method”. I do not tell them that in fact, having worked on a farm shoveling cow and bull manure, I am qualified to be a diplomate! When the patient gets here, we mention that Palmer is a great school but some of the graduates have a tendency toward dogmatic beliefs rather than a scientific approach. What else would you call it if someone thought that your education stopped at your school? We’ve yet to have anyone ask for a Life West graduate, but we’re waiting. We did have one guy who arrived wearing a tinfoil hat though. He had an OCD which forced him to compare body parts such as ear height, for symmetry. It was hard not to tell him that with about 250 treatments, I could get his shoulders and hips evened out. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com From: joe medlin <spinetree@...> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:09:06 -0700 Hillsdale Chiropractic <hillsdalechiropractic@...>, < >, " Dr. Ted Forcum " <tforcum@...> Subject: Re: CHP I think the notion of requesting a Palmer grad is an attempt to assure that the chiropractor is " philosophically sound " . Us chiropractors can be a bit defensive at times. I find nothing wrong with a patient requesting a specific graduate. It happens in all professions and is normal. People often come to my office because i went to Life West. Why? They had a positive experience somewhere with an alum i guess. Also, sometimes folks are quite privy to adjusting and they do their research as to the schools that offer more diverse curriculum in that arena. Despite the fact that we All become better with time, can we blame them for this? ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic www.spinetreepdx.com <http://www.spinetreepdx.com> CHP We are no longer in network with CHP and need to refer our patients to another CHP provider in the area. Are there any Palmer grad Drs in the Hillsdale/SW Portland area that are still accepting Kaiser/CHP referrals? Have most of you been having as much difficutly in dealing with CHP as us? Thank you for your time, Leah Maio Office Manager Hillsdale Chiropractic & Rehabilitation Center 6339 SW Capitol Hwy Portland, OR, 97239 503.246.1881 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 RE: We’ve yet to have anyone ask for a Life West graduate, I don't get requests for a Life West doc. I have patients come to my office because I'm an alum of the school. The reason being: Philosophy and adjusting curriculum. Scientific approach? I've yet to have someone call requesting that, but i'm waiting. Again, us chiropractors can be a lil insecure at times. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropracticwww.spinetreepdx.com CHP We are no longer in network with CHP and need to refer our patients to another CHP provider in the area. Are there any Palmer grad Drs in the Hillsdale/SW Portland area that are still accepting Kaiser/CHP referrals? Have most of you been having as much difficutly in dealing with CHP as us? Thank you for your time, Leah MaioOffice Manager Hillsdale Chiropractic & Rehabilitation Center6339 SW Capitol HwyPortland, OR, 97239503.246.1881 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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