Re: Phen-fen (Rita)

[Guest guest]

Dani ... you're talking to someone who was totally addicted to diet pills for

almost 40 years. I took phen-fen also but had no idea what it could do. AND

they didn't even help me!

I started taking pills when I was in my 20's and they were amphetamines - when

they were taken off the market I went nuts, but quickly found another doctor who

prescribed the " next " magic pill. And so on and so on for the rest of my life

....

Believe it or not, it was the Atkins diet that got me off them so no matter what

anyone tells me, I will always be grateful for that. That was only about 2 1/2

years ago. I also was taking diuretics and was able to kick those, too.

I know now that I will never take them again, but I can understand the wanting

for them.

Its a shame Carole won't listen to you, but then I didn't listen to anyone

either. Now if I hear of anyone taking them I go nuts!

BTW - someone I knew got in on the first suit and got $1 million and had NO

physical problems. *sigh*

Rita

Phen-fen (Rita)

Rita,

Yes, my " second mom " is going to sue the makers of Phen-fen. I think

it would be impossible not to know about the billion-dollar law suit.

There are ads on TV every two minutes here asking past users of phen-

fen to call the lawyer nearest them.

I'm torn about the whole thing, though. Not to open a whole can of

worms, but Carole knew that there were potential side-effects before

she started taking the drug. She's obese, and she's chosen not to

lose weight the healthy weight. She wanted the magic pill, and she

begged her dr. to prescribe phen-fen, so he did. She lost about 50

pounds with it before it was taken off the market. Carole even admits

that she would keep taking it if she could. She also admits that she

doesn't really feel wronged, since she wanted the drug, but that

she's suing because well, gee, everyone else is, might as well get in

on a piece of the money pie.

It seems really greedy to me. If you want a pill to solve your

weight problems, you should deal with the consequences. I'm sure

others will disagree, but that's how I feel.

Dani

[Guest guest]

Talking about diet pills...in my country, 1 died after taking Slim 10

just for 3 months. Another woman had to under-go a liver transplant.

Within four months of its launch, 16 people reported adverse

reactions to the drug, which they had bought at almost $150 a bottle,

each containing 120 pills.

Please check the content of all these slimming pills before taking

it. There might be side effects.

For further news, check out this site:

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/women/story/0,1870,119355,00.html

Happy working out!

Geri

[Guest guest]

Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that you had gone through such a

terrible addiction. I know there were a lot of drugs on the market

in the 70s and 80s that weren't researched properly. I remember a

sleep-aid drug that caused sheer psychosis (the writer Roth

took it and almost went completely mad).

It's amazing that you were able to break free from the grip of legal

drugs after so many years. I am truly inspired by your determination

and optimism.

Dani

> Dani ... you're talking to someone who was totally addicted to diet

pills for almost 40 years. I took phen-fen also but had no idea what

it could do. AND they didn't even help me!

> I started taking pills when I was in my 20's and they were

amphetamines - when they were taken off the market I went nuts, but

quickly found another doctor who prescribed the " next " magic pill.

And so on and so on for the rest of my life ...

> Believe it or not, it was the Atkins diet that got me off them so

no matter what anyone tells me, I will always be grateful for that.

That was only about 2 1/2 years ago. I also was taking diuretics and

was able to kick those, too.

> I know now that I will never take them again, but I can understand

the wanting for them.

> Its a shame Carole won't listen to you, but then I didn't listen to

anyone either. Now if I hear of anyone taking them I go nuts!

> BTW - someone I knew got in on the first suit and got $1 million

and had NO physical problems. *sigh*

> Rita

>

>

>

> Phen-fen (Rita)

>

>

> Rita,

>

> Yes, my " second mom " is going to sue the makers of Phen-fen. I

think

> it would be impossible not to know about the billion-dollar law

suit.

> There are ads on TV every two minutes here asking past users of

phen-

> fen to call the lawyer nearest them.

>

> I'm torn about the whole thing, though. Not to open a whole can

of

> worms, but Carole knew that there were potential side-effects

before

> she started taking the drug. She's obese, and she's chosen not to

> lose weight the healthy weight. She wanted the magic pill, and

she

> begged her dr. to prescribe phen-fen, so he did. She lost about

50

> pounds with it before it was taken off the market. Carole even

admits

> that she would keep taking it if she could. She also admits that

she

> doesn't really feel wronged, since she wanted the drug, but that

> she's suing because well, gee, everyone else is, might as well

get in

> on a piece of the money pie.

>

> It seems really greedy to me. If you want a pill to solve your

> weight problems, you should deal with the consequences. I'm sure

> others will disagree, but that's how I feel.

>

> Dani

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

no_reply writes:

> Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that you had gone through such a

> terrible addiction. I know there were a lot of drugs on the market

>

I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in 1972. I complained about all my

baby weight and my doctor gave me a prescription for speed right after he was

born (I was too stupid then to even breast feed the poor kid so at least I

didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning out closests, vacuuming,

" speeding " through those days of new motherhood. Yikes! I lost 25 pounds in 5

weeks until my then husband flushed the rest of the pills down the toilet.

That's pretty much the only good thing the loser ever did for me...besides

giving me my boys. a

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the info Geri. but believe me I know how lucky I was ... I will

never take another diet pill again - never! And now with BFL I won't ever need

it. Sheesh! I don't have to worry about killing my appetite these days - I

need to GET one! lol

Rita

Re: Phen-fen (Rita)

Talking about diet pills...in my country, 1 died after taking Slim 10

just for 3 months. Another woman had to under-go a liver transplant.

Within four months of its launch, 16 people reported adverse

reactions to the drug, which they had bought at almost $150 a bottle,

each containing 120 pills.

Please check the content of all these slimming pills before taking

it. There might be side effects.

For further news, check out this site:

http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/women/story/0,1870,119355,00.html

Happy working out!

Geri

[Guest guest]

Dani - Was that sleep-aid drug Halcion? (I took that, too!) Funny - I never

considered myself a druggie until I wrote all this! lol

I am proud of me, too, for kicking the habit ... it wasn't easy but I was

determined for the first time in my life. I figured if I could do that - I

could do anything! I'm going to prove that to myself with BFL. I'm not sure if

I'll ever be a poster gal, but I'm going to look and feel the best I can!

Rita

Phen-fen (Rita)

>

>

> Rita,

>

> Yes, my " second mom " is going to sue the makers of Phen-fen. I

think

> it would be impossible not to know about the billion-dollar law

suit.

> There are ads on TV every two minutes here asking past users of

phen-

> fen to call the lawyer nearest them.

>

> I'm torn about the whole thing, though. Not to open a whole can

of

> worms, but Carole knew that there were potential side-effects

before

> she started taking the drug. She's obese, and she's chosen not to

> lose weight the healthy weight. She wanted the magic pill, and

she

> begged her dr. to prescribe phen-fen, so he did. She lost about

50

> pounds with it before it was taken off the market. Carole even

admits

> that she would keep taking it if she could. She also admits that

she

> doesn't really feel wronged, since she wanted the drug, but that

> she's suing because well, gee, everyone else is, might as well

get in

> on a piece of the money pie.

>

> It seems really greedy to me. If you want a pill to solve your

> weight problems, you should deal with the consequences. I'm sure

> others will disagree, but that's how I feel.

>

> Dani

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yep a - that's what speed did for me! I was a whirlwind then! Good for

your husband! I only lost weight at that level the first time I took it. The

weird thing was after a while I got used to all those meds and they didn't

really help all that much. But I was afraid to stop!

Rita

Re: Phen-fen (Rita)

In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

no_reply writes:

> Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that you had gone through such a

> terrible addiction. I know there were a lot of drugs on the market

>

I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in 1972. I complained about all my

baby weight and my doctor gave me a prescription for speed right after he was

born (I was too stupid then to even breast feed the poor kid so at least I

didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning out closests, vacuuming,

" speeding " through those days of new motherhood. Yikes! I lost 25 pounds in 5

weeks until my then husband flushed the rest of the pills down the toilet.

That's pretty much the only good thing the loser ever did for me...besides

giving me my boys. a

[Guest guest]

run_girl_la wrote:

> Rita,

>

> Yes, my " second mom " is going to sue the makers of Phen-fen. I think

> it would be impossible not to know about the billion-dollar law suit.

> There are ads on TV every two minutes here asking past users of phen-

> fen to call the lawyer nearest them.

>

> I'm torn about the whole thing, though. Not to open a whole can of

> worms, but Carole knew that there were potential side-effects before

> she started taking the drug. She's obese, and she's chosen not to

> lose weight the healthy weight. She wanted the magic pill, and she

> begged her dr. to prescribe phen-fen, so he did. She lost about 50

> pounds with it before it was taken off the market. Carole even admits

> that she would keep taking it if she could. She also admits that she

> doesn't really feel wronged, since she wanted the drug, but that

> she's suing because well, gee, everyone else is, might as well get in

> on a piece of the money pie.

>

> It seems really greedy to me. If you want a pill to solve your

> weight problems, you should deal with the consequences. I'm sure

> others will disagree, but that's how I feel.

>

> Dani

Hear hear.

Serenity

[Guest guest]

<<It seems really greedy to me. If you want a pill to solve your

weight problems, you should deal with the consequences>>

Reminds me of the quote:

*If you didn't need a pill to get fat, why would you need one to get

unfat?* ;D

From the OnePhatMan website (nodietnopilssnobullshit) at:

http://www.onephatman.com/index.html

(Check out the link for his wifes website too, she is doing great on

BFL)

<<joni>>

*TGIF and on my way to work ~ have a great day ladies!*

[Guest guest]

I just added this to my list of movies to rent. Thanx.

Re: Phen-fen (Rita)

a,

What you described reminds me of the movie " Requiem for a Dream " for

which Ellen Burnstein won an a couple years back. She played

an older woman addicted to speed which was prescribed to her as a

diet aid. If you haven't seen it, go rent it. It's amazing.

Dani

> In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> no_reply@y... writes:

>

>

> > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that you had gone through such

a

> > terrible addiction. I know there were a lot of drugs on the

market

> >

>

> I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in 1972. I complained

about all my

> baby weight and my doctor gave me a prescription for speed right

after he was

> born (I was too stupid then to even breast feed the poor kid so at

least I

> didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning out closests, vacuuming,

> " speeding " through those days of new motherhood. Yikes! I lost 25

pounds in 5

> weeks until my then husband flushed the rest of the pills down the

toilet.

> That's pretty much the only good thing the loser ever did for

me...besides

> giving me my boys. a

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, Rita and TeacherPL! What horrid experiences! Glad the diet pill thing is

obsolete... wonder what people are taking now that will have the same effects.

Park

Re: Phen-fen (Rita)

In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

no_reply writes:

> Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that you had gone through such a

> terrible addiction. I know there were a lot of drugs on the market

>

I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in 1972. I complained about all my

baby weight and my doctor gave me a prescription for speed right after he was

born (I was too stupid then to even breast feed the poor kid so at least I

didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning out closests, vacuuming,

" speeding " through those days of new motherhood. Yikes! I lost 25 pounds in 5

weeks until my then husband flushed the rest of the pills down the toilet.

That's pretty much the only good thing the loser ever did for me...besides

giving me my boys. a

[Guest guest]

Oh believe me there are plenty of diet pills out there - but fen phen which was

a combination of two pills is now illegal - at least one part of them is.

I remember just before I went on Atkins - maybe a year or so before then - a

new doctor offered me the NEWEST pill on the market - I think it is Meridian or

something. I told him - I didn't come to you for a rx - I came to you for help

in a nutrition plan. He's the one who suggested Atkins. And this guy was a

cardiologist. Compared to how I am now, I wasn't even that heavy then. :-(

Re: Phen-fen (Rita)

In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

no_reply writes:

> Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that you had gone through such a

> terrible addiction. I know there were a lot of drugs on the market

>

I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in 1972. I complained about all my

baby weight and my doctor gave me a prescription for speed right after he

was

born (I was too stupid then to even breast feed the poor kid so at least I

didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning out closests, vacuuming,

" speeding " through those days of new motherhood. Yikes! I lost 25 pounds in

5

weeks until my then husband flushed the rest of the pills down the toilet.

That's pretty much the only good thing the loser ever did for me...besides

giving me my boys. a

[Guest guest]

I know of at least four doctors here in L.A. who will prescribe diet

speed-type pills to girls who are of normal weight or even

underweight. My friend, who's an aspiring actors, is 5'5 " and weighs

117; she just got a prescription for Meridia, an appetite

suppresant. She can't sleep; she's always dizzy and high-strung.

She doesn't want to eat. It's horrid. I'm begging her to get off

these pills. That doctor should be in jail, I swear.

Dani

> Oh believe me there are plenty of diet pills out there - but fen

phen which was a combination of two pills is now illegal - at least

one part of them is.

> I remember just before I went on Atkins - maybe a year or so

before then - a new doctor offered me the NEWEST pill on the market -

I think it is Meridian or something. I told him - I didn't come to

you for a rx - I came to you for help in a nutrition plan. He's the

one who suggested Atkins. And this guy was a cardiologist. Compared

to how I am now, I wasn't even that heavy then. :-(

>

> Re: Phen-fen (Rita)

>

>

> In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> no_reply@y... writes:

>

>

> > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that you had gone through

such a

> > terrible addiction. I know there were a lot of drugs on the

market

> >

>

> I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in 1972. I complained

about all my

> baby weight and my doctor gave me a prescription for speed

right after he was

> born (I was too stupid then to even breast feed the poor kid so

at least I

> didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning out closests,

vacuuming,

> " speeding " through those days of new motherhood. Yikes! I lost

25 pounds in 5

> weeks until my then husband flushed the rest of the pills down

the toilet.

> That's pretty much the only good thing the loser ever did for

me...besides

> giving me my boys. a

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a doctor in Memphis who does the same thing. I have gone to

him myself and the last time I went he said something about my

weight. But he gave them to me anyway. You pay first and then tell

the nurse what kind you want and they put you in the room in groups.

He then comes in and talks to you for a brief moment then signs the

script and goes on. It is just a way for him to make money! And you

can tell that he is on them too.

Since I started BFL for the first time in my life I know I don't need

diet pills. I can not get over how I am not hungry. There have been

a couple of times I have wanted to munch down on some WOW chips I

keep in a jar on the counter for my husband, but I didn't do it.

Those pills are dangerous and not good for you and I took them

knowing that anyway. BUT I won't take them ever again!

Noelle

> > Oh believe me there are plenty of diet pills out there - but fen

> phen which was a combination of two pills is now illegal - at least

> one part of them is.

> > I remember just before I went on Atkins - maybe a year or so

> before then - a new doctor offered me the NEWEST pill on the

market -

> I think it is Meridian or something. I told him - I didn't come to

> you for a rx - I came to you for help in a nutrition plan. He's

the

> one who suggested Atkins. And this guy was a cardiologist.

Compared

> to how I am now, I wasn't even that heavy then. :-(

> >

> > Re: Phen-fen (Rita)

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM Eastern Standard

Time,

> > no_reply@y... writes:

> >

> >

> > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that you had gone

through

> such a

> > > terrible addiction. I know there were a lot of drugs on

the

> market

> > >

> >

> > I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in 1972. I

complained

> about all my

> > baby weight and my doctor gave me a prescription for speed

> right after he was

> > born (I was too stupid then to even breast feed the poor kid

so

> at least I

> > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning out closests,

> vacuuming,

> > " speeding " through those days of new motherhood. Yikes! I

lost

> 25 pounds in 5

> > weeks until my then husband flushed the rest of the pills

down

> the toilet.

> > That's pretty much the only good thing the loser ever did for

> me...besides

> > giving me my boys. a

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I definitely agree with you Dani ... I wish I knew what could be done about it.

:-(

Re: Phen-fen (Rita)

>

>

> In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> no_reply@y... writes:

>

>

> > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that you had gone through

such a

> > terrible addiction. I know there were a lot of drugs on the

market

> >

>

> I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in 1972. I complained

about all my

> baby weight and my doctor gave me a prescription for speed

right after he was

> born (I was too stupid then to even breast feed the poor kid so

at least I

> didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning out closests,

vacuuming,

> " speeding " through those days of new motherhood. Yikes! I lost

25 pounds in 5

> weeks until my then husband flushed the rest of the pills down

the toilet.

> That's pretty much the only good thing the loser ever did for

me...besides

> giving me my boys. a

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Glad to hear it Noelle ... I must say for the most part the doctors I went to

were highly recommended as either internists or cardiologists. One of them can

be seen on tv regularly on the network news shows. His examination of me was

very thorough (he's the one who gave me the fen phen) and I just found a 2 page

report he did on me 8 years ago. I wish I weighed now what I weighed then lol

Anyway ... all that being said, I repeat I am happy you have chosen the BFL way

....

Rita

Re: Phen-fen (Rita)

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM Eastern Standard

Time,

> > no_reply@y... writes:

> >

> >

> > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that you had gone

through

> such a

> > > terrible addiction. I know there were a lot of drugs on

the

> market

> > >

> >

> > I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in 1972. I

complained

> about all my

> > baby weight and my doctor gave me a prescription for speed

> right after he was

> > born (I was too stupid then to even breast feed the poor kid

so

> at least I

> > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning out closests,

> vacuuming,

> > " speeding " through those days of new motherhood. Yikes! I

lost

> 25 pounds in 5

> > weeks until my then husband flushed the rest of the pills

down

> the toilet.

> > That's pretty much the only good thing the loser ever did for

> me...besides

> > giving me my boys. a

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Noelle,

Do you eat the WOW chips on your free day? I have had

the WOW doritos the past couple of Saturdays, I LOVE

those things.

--- hersheione <noelle@...> wrote:

> There is a doctor in Memphis who does the same

> thing. I have gone to

> him myself and the last time I went he said

> something about my

> weight. But he gave them to me anyway. You pay

> first and then tell

> the nurse what kind you want and they put you in the

> room in groups.

> He then comes in and talks to you for a brief moment

> then signs the

> script and goes on. It is just a way for him to make

> money! And you

> can tell that he is on them too.

> Since I started BFL for the first time in my life I

> know I don't need

> diet pills. I can not get over how I am not hungry.

> There have been

> a couple of times I have wanted to munch down on

> some WOW chips I

> keep in a jar on the counter for my husband, but I

> didn't do it.

> Those pills are dangerous and not good for you and I

> took them

> knowing that anyway. BUT I won't take them ever

> again!

> Noelle

>

>

> > > Oh believe me there are plenty of diet pills out

> there - but fen

> > phen which was a combination of two pills is now

> illegal - at least

> > one part of them is.

> > > I remember just before I went on Atkins - maybe

> a year or so

> > before then - a new doctor offered me the NEWEST

> pill on the

> market -

> > I think it is Meridian or something. I told him -

> I didn't come to

> > you for a rx - I came to you for help in a

> nutrition plan. He's

> the

> > one who suggested Atkins. And this guy was a

> cardiologist.

> Compared

> > to how I am now, I wasn't even that heavy then.

> :-(

> > >

> > > Re:

> Phen-fen (Rita)

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM

> Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > no_reply@y... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that

> you had gone

> through

> > such a

> > > > terrible addiction. I know there were a

> lot of drugs on

> the

> > market

> > > >

> > >

> > > I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in

> 1972. I

> complained

> > about all my

> > > baby weight and my doctor gave me a

> prescription for speed

> > right after he was

> > > born (I was too stupid then to even breast

> feed the poor kid

> so

> > at least I

> > > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning

> out closests,

> > vacuuming,

> > > " speeding " through those days of new

> motherhood. Yikes! I

> lost

> > 25 pounds in 5

> > > weeks until my then husband flushed the rest

> of the pills

> down

> > the toilet.

> > > That's pretty much the only good thing the

> loser ever did for

> > me...besides

> > > giving me my boys. a

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'm only on my second week. Last Sunday was my first free day and we had a bar

b que for fathers day. I ate everything. But, I used to eat them all the time

and LOVE them. My husband loves the Doritos. They used to not last long at our

house, but since I started BFL they are going a little further for him and his

sandwich nights.:)LOL

Noelle

Re:

> Phen-fen (Rita)

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM

> Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > no_reply@y... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that

> you had gone

> through

> > such a

> > > > terrible addiction. I know there were a

> lot of drugs on

> the

> > market

> > > >

> > >

> > > I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in

> 1972. I

> complained

> > about all my

> > > baby weight and my doctor gave me a

> prescription for speed

> > right after he was

> > > born (I was too stupid then to even breast

> feed the poor kid

> so

> > at least I

> > > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning

> out closests,

> > vacuuming,

> > > " speeding " through those days of new

> motherhood. Yikes! I

> lost

> > 25 pounds in 5

> > > weeks until my then husband flushed the rest

> of the pills

> down

> > the toilet.

> > > That's pretty much the only good thing the

> loser ever did for

> > me...besides

> > > giving me my boys. a

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I like 'em too. :-(

Rita

Re:

> Phen-fen (Rita)

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41 AM

> Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > no_reply@y... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize that

> you had gone

> through

> > such a

> > > > terrible addiction. I know there were a

> lot of drugs on

> the

> > market

> > > >

> > >

> > > I gave birth to my first son in Berkeley in

> 1972. I

> complained

> > about all my

> > > baby weight and my doctor gave me a

> prescription for speed

> > right after he was

> > > born (I was too stupid then to even breast

> feed the poor kid

> so

> > at least I

> > > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks cleaning

> out closests,

> > vacuuming,

> > > " speeding " through those days of new

> motherhood. Yikes! I

> lost

> > 25 pounds in 5

> > > weeks until my then husband flushed the rest

> of the pills

> down

> > the toilet.

> > > That's pretty much the only good thing the

> loser ever did for

> > me...besides

> > > giving me my boys. a

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I used to eat them everyday too. When I was at my

unhealthy thin stage I would eat a half a bag of WOW

chips a day, THAT WAS IT. I won't even begin to tell

you what that did to my digestive system, I didn't

have any problem going to the bathroom when I mixed

those chips with laxatives. MAN was I a mess, it is a

shame that you don't realize what you are doing to

yourself until you look back on it later. I do still

eat them on my free days though, they are better for

you than the full fat ones I feel.

--- ribar <ribar@...> wrote:

> I like 'em too. :-(

> Rita

> Re: [body for Life Women's

> Club]

> > Phen-fen (Rita)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41

> AM

> > Eastern Standard

> > Time,

> > > > no_reply@y... writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize

> that

> > you had gone

> > through

> > > such a

> > > > > terrible addiction. I know there

> were a

> > lot of drugs on

> > the

> > > market

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I gave birth to my first son in

> Berkeley in

> > 1972. I

> > complained

> > > about all my

> > > > baby weight and my doctor gave me a

> > prescription for speed

> > > right after he was

> > > > born (I was too stupid then to even

> breast

> > feed the poor kid

> > so

> > > at least I

> > > > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks

> cleaning

> > out closests,

> > > vacuuming,

> > > > " speeding " through those days of new

> > motherhood. Yikes! I

> > lost

> > > 25 pounds in 5

> > > > weeks until my then husband flushed

> the rest

> > of the pills

> > down

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree with you . I think I need therapy on top of everything else, I

still have a warped body image.

When I tell people that I am doing BFL they all say " you don't have any weight

to lose " It makes me want to scream. It's not about losing weight but to me,

its about my being fit, physically fit and living healthier. Yes, I want to

gain muscle, I want to tone, I want to look HOT! But it's more than that. It

kills me that people see certain images of you and that's it.

Noelle

Re: [body for Life Women's

> Club]

> > Phen-fen (Rita)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41

> AM

> > Eastern Standard

> > Time,

> > > > no_reply@y... writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize

> that

> > you had gone

> > through

> > > such a

> > > > > terrible addiction. I know there

> were a

> > lot of drugs on

> > the

> > > market

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I gave birth to my first son in

> Berkeley in

> > 1972. I

> > complained

> > > about all my

> > > > baby weight and my doctor gave me a

> > prescription for speed

> > > right after he was

> > > > born (I was too stupid then to even

> breast

> > feed the poor kid

> > so

> > > at least I

> > > > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks

> cleaning

> > out closests,

> > > vacuuming,

> > > > " speeding " through those days of new

> > motherhood. Yikes! I

> > lost

> > > 25 pounds in 5

> > > > weeks until my then husband flushed

> the rest

> > of the pills

> > down

>

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[Guest guest]

Your knowledge - their loss. People are weird that way ... they see what they

see and there ain't nuttin you can do about it. You just stick to your plan and

THEN we'll see what they have to say!

Rita

Re: [body for Life Women's

> Club]

> > Phen-fen (Rita)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41

> AM

> > Eastern Standard

> > Time,

> > > > no_reply@y... writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize

> that

> > you had gone

> > through

> > > such a

> > > > > terrible addiction. I know there

> were a

> > lot of drugs on

> > the

> > > market

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I gave birth to my first son in

> Berkeley in

> > 1972. I

> > complained

> > > about all my

> > > > baby weight and my doctor gave me a

> > prescription for speed

> > > right after he was

> > > > born (I was too stupid then to even

> breast

> > feed the poor kid

> > so

> > > at least I

> > > > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks

> cleaning

> > out closests,

> > > vacuuming,

> > > > " speeding " through those days of new

> > motherhood. Yikes! I

> > lost

> > > 25 pounds in 5

> > > > weeks until my then husband flushed

> the rest

> > of the pills

> > down

>

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[Guest guest]

A " skinny " friend of mine recently asked me about BFL and after I explained it

her response rather irritated me. She made lots of reference to how all her

girlfriends are getting into exercise programs and perhaps it was due to all the

pressure society puts on women to look good, etc., etc. She then went on to say

that she's not concerned about weight (as in the number) and feels good that she

just eats well (mostly vegetarian) and gets lots of exercise. The reason it

irritated me was that first of all she's never had any weight that she's had to

try to get off, so exercising and eating well is a bit different when you're not

trying to lose, and second, that the assumption is so often made that an intense

exercise/nutrition program is always about losing " weight " . It's about so much

more than that to me (and anyone on BFL I'm sure) and I get so annoyed when it's

assumed that it's all just about a number on the scale. Anyway, as I said, I

found it a bit annoying. I'm not really sure if there was any reason to, but

thought maybe you all could relate.

Kim

Re: [body for Life Women's

> Club]

> > Phen-fen (Rita)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41

> AM

> > Eastern Standard

> > Time,

> > > > no_reply@y... writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize

> that

> > you had gone

> > through

> > > such a

> > > > > terrible addiction. I know there

> were a

> > lot of drugs on

> > the

> > > market

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I gave birth to my first son in

> Berkeley in

> > 1972. I

> > complained

> > > about all my

> > > > baby weight and my doctor gave me a

> > prescription for speed

> > > right after he was

> > > > born (I was too stupid then to even

> breast

> > feed the poor kid

> > so

> > > at least I

> > > > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks

> cleaning

> > out closests,

> > > vacuuming,

> > > > " speeding " through those days of new

> > motherhood. Yikes! I

> > lost

> > > 25 pounds in 5

> > > > weeks until my then husband flushed

> the rest

> > of the pills

> > down

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree, Kim, BFL is about a lot more than just losing weight. The

thing I always hated to have people say to me was, " Oh, just be

happy. You only live once. Enjoy yourself! " As if enjoying myself

had to mean gorging on chips and donuts, as if I couldn't enjoy

myself eating healthy, working out and looking my best.

People have this attitude that a free-for-all pig-out fest is " fun, "

but I think looking lean, feeling good, having a ton of energy, and

being in great shape are all things that are, ultimately, a lot more

fun than stuffing my face with junk and sitting on my ass on the sofa.

Dani

> > > > > Oh believe me there are plenty of diet

> > pills out

> > > there - but fen

> > > > phen which was a combination of two pills is

> > now

> > > illegal - at least

> > > > one part of them is.

> > > > > I remember just before I went on Atkins -

> > maybe

> > > a year or so

> > > > before then - a new doctor offered me the

> > NEWEST

> > > pill on the

> > > market -

> > > > I think it is Meridian or something. I told

> > him -

> > > I didn't come to

> > > > you for a rx - I came to you for help in a

> > > nutrition plan. He's

> > > the

> > > > one who suggested Atkins. And this guy was

> > a

> > > cardiologist.

> > > Compared

> > > > to how I am now, I wasn't even that heavy

> > then.

> > > :-(

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: [body for Life Women's

> > Club]

> > > Phen-fen (Rita)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41

> > AM

> > > Eastern Standard

> > > Time,

> > > > > no_reply@y... writes:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize

> > that

> > > you had gone

> > > through

> > > > such a

> > > > > > terrible addiction. I know there

> > were a

> > > lot of drugs on

> > > the

> > > > market

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I gave birth to my first son in

> > Berkeley in

> > > 1972. I

> > > complained

> > > > about all my

> > > > > baby weight and my doctor gave me a

> > > prescription for speed

> > > > right after he was

> > > > > born (I was too stupid then to even

> > breast

> > > feed the poor kid

> > > so

> > > > at least I

> > > > > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks

> > cleaning

> > > out closests,

> > > > vacuuming,

> > > > > " speeding " through those days of new

> > > motherhood. Yikes! I

> > > lost

> > > > 25 pounds in 5

> > > > > weeks until my then husband flushed

> > the rest

> > > of the pills

> > > down

> >

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>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

WTG Dani!!!

Re: [body for Life Women's

> > Club]

> > > Phen-fen (Rita)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 6/21/2002 1:51:41

> > AM

> > > Eastern Standard

> > > Time,

> > > > > no_reply@y... writes:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Oh, my god, Rita, I didn't realize

> > that

> > > you had gone

> > > through

> > > > such a

> > > > > > terrible addiction. I know there

> > were a

> > > lot of drugs on

> > > the

> > > > market

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I gave birth to my first son in

> > Berkeley in

> > > 1972. I

> > > complained

> > > > about all my

> > > > > baby weight and my doctor gave me a

> > > prescription for speed

> > > > right after he was

> > > > > born (I was too stupid then to even

> > breast

> > > feed the poor kid

> > > so

> > > > at least I

> > > > > didn't hurt him). I spent 5 weeks

> > cleaning

> > > out closests,

> > > > vacuuming,

> > > > > " speeding " through those days of new

> > > motherhood. Yikes! I

> > > lost

> > > > 25 pounds in 5

> > > > > weeks until my then husband flushed

> > the rest

> > > of the pills

> > > down

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>