RE: strange case

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Diane,

Your e-mail mentioned training (T3/A1/Cz/T4/A2 squash 15-35)--was this due to a temporal lobe disconnect or irritable lobes (hi beta both t3 and t4)? If it was due to the disconnect was the 2x higher hi beta in the left or right temporal lobe?

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I have a client with numerous difficulties. She came to see me because of her chronic fatigue, but she also has migraine headaches, tension headaches, vestibular problems ( tinnitus 24/7, dizzy spells), TMJ, bruxism, anxiety, ADD, short term memory issues...on and on. Her subjective assessment, she rated 28 items as a number 3, 10 items as a number 2, and 17 items as a number 1. It would probably be easier to list the things she doesn't have problems with!

On top of it all, the medications she has been prescribed by doctors often have reverse effects on her. She is left handed, and so I have in the back of my mind that her brain may be reversely dominate.

After her first session (T3/A1/Cz/T4/A2 squash 15-35), she felt horrible for 4 days complaining of more trouble sleeping, less energy, poor concentration, sad, sharp headache pain (different than her usual headaches), sudden dizzy spells and a stiff neck.

I immediately changed to her centrals and had mixed results.

At one point she went to the hospital for a dizzy spell (not associated with nfb), so I decided to work Cz SMR to help with the dizzyness. It seemed to help, so we did it again the next session. The session went for 20 minutes. She began to develop a bit of a headache, so we decided to try 5 minutes of Fz SMR. (Fz SMR had helped once before with her headache).

After 1 minute, 16 seconds at Fz, she had to stop because she couldn't feel her feet! She went home and was miserable with terrible headache pain. The doctor that I work with, who has eight years of clinical experience, told me to bring her back in and do a 2 38 Hz squash at C3/C4/A1. I did that and a few hours later she had some relief. The relief only lasted a few hours, and went back to being unbearable. Two days later I did the squash on her again. She couldn't tolerate the squash to be less than 90% success without her headache getting worse.

One week later she called and said she was still miserable from the nfb, but wanted to continue with treatments! Aaugh!

She has had 12 sessions to date. I'm nervous to continue treatments with her, and yet don't want to abandon her either.

I know what everyone's first question will be, and the answer is yes. I did an assessment on her prior to treatment.

Has anyone ever heard of someone being so adversely affected for such long periods? She spoke with a chiropractor that apparently knows a bit about nfb, and he thought the session may have triggered the TMJ to act up. (???)

Any input is appreciated.

Diane Curriden

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I am curious if she is taking meds? If so what are they and how long has she been taking them? Excessive preoccupation with body symptoms can be diagnostic and I'm not surprised that you are not wanting to work with her. As for what the Chiropractor said - maybe not - unless you heard it from him I'd take it with a large grain of salt. debDiane Curriden <new2neuro@...> wrote:

I have a client with numerous difficulties. She came to see me because of her chronic fatigue, but she also has migraine headaches, tension headaches, vestibular problems ( tinnitus 24/7, dizzy spells), TMJ, bruxism, anxiety, ADD, short term memory issues...on and on. Her subjective assessment, she rated 28 items as a number 3, 10 items as a number 2, and 17 items as a number 1. It would probably be easier to list the things she doesn't have problems with!

On top of it all, the medications she has been prescribed by doctors often have reverse effects on her. She is left handed, and so I have in the back of my mind that her brain may be reversely dominate.

After her first session (T3/A1/Cz/T4/A2 squash 15-35), she felt horrible for 4 days complaining of more trouble sleeping, less energy, poor concentration, sad, sharp headache pain (different than her usual headaches), sudden dizzy spells and a stiff neck.

I immediately changed to her centrals and had mixed results.

At one point she went to the hospital for a dizzy spell (not associated with nfb), so I decided to work Cz SMR to help with the dizzyness. It seemed to help, so we did it again the next session. The session went for 20 minutes. She began to develop a bit of a headache, so we decided to try 5 minutes of Fz SMR. (Fz SMR had helped once before with her headache).

After 1 minute, 16 seconds at Fz, she had to stop because she couldn't feel her feet! She went home and was miserable with terrible headache pain. The doctor that I work with, who has eight years of clinical experience, told me to bring her back in and do a 2 38 Hz squash at C3/C4/A1. I did that and a few hours later she had some relief. The relief only lasted a few hours, and went back to being unbearable. Two days later I did the squash on her again. She couldn't tolerate the squash to be less than 90% success without her headache getting worse.

One week later she called and said she was still miserable from the nfb, but wanted to continue with treatments! Aaugh!

She has had 12 sessions to date. I'm nervous to continue treatments with her, and yet don't want to abandon her either.

I know what everyone's first question will be, and the answer is yes. I did an assessment on her prior to treatment.

Has anyone ever heard of someone being so adversely affected for such long periods? She spoke with a chiropractor that apparently knows a bit about nfb, and he thought the session may have triggered the TMJ to act up. (???)

Any input is appreciated.

Diane Curriden

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I tried the 2 channel squash protocol because of irritable temporal lobes (16.3-19.9%). I explained during the assessment that she needed to keep her jaw relaxed, but after her reaction I figured perhaps she doesn't know what a relaxed jaw feels like.

She takes 4 different meds that I know of; zomig for migraines, serax and/or xanax for anxiety, and unisom occasionally for sleep. She definitely wants to get off of them.

I feel I need to be as gentle with her as possible. I was told that the 2-38 Hz squash is very gentle. Any other gentle approaches people have to offer would be appreciated.

Perhaps someone can give me a little lesson on why some protocols are less strenuous than others?

Dianemtlindsey@... wrote:

Diane,

Your e-mail mentioned training (T3/A1/Cz/T4/A2 squash 15-35)--was this due to a temporal lobe disconnect or irritable lobes (hi beta both t3 and t4)? If it was due to the disconnect was the 2x higher hi beta in the left or right temporal lobe?

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I have a client with numerous difficulties. She came to see me because of her chronic fatigue, but she also has migraine headaches, tension headaches, vestibular problems ( tinnitus 24/7, dizzy spells), TMJ, bruxism, anxiety, ADD, short term memory issues...on and on. Her subjective assessment, she rated 28 items as a number 3, 10 items as a number 2, and 17 items as a number 1. It would probably be easier to list the things she doesn't have problems with!

On top of it all, the medications she has been prescribed by doctors often have reverse effects on her. She is left handed, and so I have in the back of my mind that her brain may be reversely dominate.

After her first session (T3/A1/Cz/T4/A2 squash 15-35), she felt horrible for 4 days complaining of more trouble sleeping, less energy, poor concentration, sad, sharp headache pain (different than her usual headaches), sudden dizzy spells and a stiff neck.

I immediately changed to her centrals and had mixed results.

At one point she went to the hospital for a dizzy spell (not associated with nfb), so I decided to work Cz SMR to help with the dizzyness. It seemed to help, so we did it again the next session. The session went for 20 minutes. She began to develop a bit of a headache, so we decided to try 5 minutes of Fz SMR. (Fz SMR had helped once before with her headache).

After 1 minute, 16 seconds at Fz, she had to stop because she couldn't feel her feet! She went home and was miserable with terrible headache pain. The doctor that I work with, who has eight years of clinical experience, told me to bring her back in and do a 2 38 Hz squash at C3/C4/A1. I did that and a few hours later she had some relief. The relief only lasted a few hours, and went back to being unbearable. Two days later I did the squash on her again. She couldn't tolerate the squash to be less than 90% success without her headache getting worse.

One week later she called and said she was still miserable from the nfb, but wanted to continue with treatments! Aaugh!

She has had 12 sessions to date. I'm nervous to continue treatments with her, and yet don't want to abandon her either.

I know what everyone's first question will be, and the answer is yes. I did an assessment on her prior to treatment.

Has anyone ever heard of someone being so adversely affected for such long periods? She spoke with a chiropractor that apparently knows a bit about nfb, and he thought the session may have triggered the TMJ to act up. (???)

Any input is appreciated.

Diane Curriden

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Diane,

Second question is, what did the assessment show? If you back-channel it to me

with your training plan, I'll take a look at it.

Pete

>

> From: Diane Curriden <new2neuro@...>

> Date: 2005/09/18 Sun PM 02:11:35 EDT

> < >

> Subject: strange case

>

> I have a client with numerous difficulties. She came to see me because of her

chronic fatigue, but she also has migraine headaches, tension headaches,

vestibular problems ( tinnitus 24/7, dizzy spells), TMJ, bruxism, anxiety, ADD,

short term memory issues...on and on. Her subjective assessment, she rated 28

items as a number 3, 10 items as a number 2, and 17 items as a number 1. It

would probably be easier to list the things she doesn't have problems with!

> On top of it all, the medications she has been prescribed by doctors often

have reverse effects on her. She is left handed, and so I have in the back of

my mind that her brain may be reversely dominate.

> After her first session (T3/A1/Cz/T4/A2 squash 15-35), she felt horrible for 4

days complaining of more trouble sleeping, less energy, poor concentration, sad,

sharp headache pain (different than her usual headaches), sudden dizzy spells

and a stiff neck.

> I immediately changed to her centrals and had mixed results.

> At one point she went to the hospital for a dizzy spell (not associated with

nfb), so I decided to work Cz SMR to help with the dizzyness. It seemed to

help, so we did it again the next session. The session went for 20 minutes.

She began to develop a bit of a headache, so we decided to try 5 minutes of Fz

SMR. (Fz SMR had helped once before with her headache).

> After 1 minute, 16 seconds at Fz, she had to stop because she couldn't feel

her feet! She went home and was miserable with terrible headache pain. The

doctor that I work with, who has eight years of clinical experience, told me to

bring her back in and do a 2 38 Hz squash at C3/C4/A1. I did that and a few

hours later she had some relief. The relief only lasted a few hours, and went

back to being unbearable. Two days later I did the squash on her again. She

couldn't tolerate the squash to be less than 90% success without her headache

getting worse.

> One week later she called and said she was still miserable from the nfb, but

wanted to continue with treatments! Aaugh!

> She has had 12 sessions to date. I'm nervous to continue treatments with her,

and yet don't want to abandon her either.

> I know what everyone's first question will be, and the answer is yes. I did

an assessment on her prior to treatment.

> Has anyone ever heard of someone being so adversely affected for such long

periods? She spoke with a chiropractor that apparently knows a bit about nfb,

and he thought the session may have triggered the TMJ to act up. (???)

> Any input is appreciated.

>

> Diane Curriden

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> for Good

> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

>

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The reason I ask about med is that sometimes the beginings of tardive dyskinesia can look like TMJ. I have county clients who are overmedicated and they show jaw clenching and severe TMJ. Getting off the meds is quite a battle - two weeks of hell. Xanax is addicting and essentially numbs the brain. You most likely have a personality disorder with this client, which I also work with in some of my clients. I had one client complain after I used the classic Othmer protocol on T3T4 that she was a zoombie for a week (also was having dental work). I think the Othmers were looking at a population that was made worse with that training perhaps talking with them might help. Make notes of the symptoms and hope you can find a pattern. Often the EEG helps but maybe not the symptoms she wants or to the degree she wants. Realisically she may never be pain free and perhaps some grief and acceptance work on that wouldn't hurt.

Bioenergetically speaking TMJ and jaw clenching is repressed rage (blocking of primative urge to bite). Be sure to document everything carefully. debDiane Curriden <new2neuro@...> wrote:

I tried the 2 channel squash protocol because of irritable temporal lobes (16.3-19.9%). I explained during the assessment that she needed to keep her jaw relaxed, but after her reaction I figured perhaps she doesn't know what a relaxed jaw feels like.

She takes 4 different meds that I know of; zomig for migraines, serax and/or xanax for anxiety, and unisom occasionally for sleep. She definitely wants to get off of them.

I feel I need to be as gentle with her as possible. I was told that the 2-38 Hz squash is very gentle. Any other gentle approaches people have to offer would be appreciated.

Perhaps someone can give me a little lesson on why some protocols are less strenuous than others?

Dianemtlindsey@... wrote:

Diane,

Your e-mail mentioned training (T3/A1/Cz/T4/A2 squash 15-35)--was this due to a temporal lobe disconnect or irritable lobes (hi beta both t3 and t4)? If it was due to the disconnect was the 2x higher hi beta in the left or right temporal lobe?

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-------------- Original message --------------

I have a client with numerous difficulties. She came to see me because of her chronic fatigue, but she also has migraine headaches, tension headaches, vestibular problems ( tinnitus 24/7, dizzy spells), TMJ, bruxism, anxiety, ADD, short term memory issues...on and on. Her subjective assessment, she rated 28 items as a number 3, 10 items as a number 2, and 17 items as a number 1. It would probably be easier to list the things she doesn't have problems with!

On top of it all, the medications she has been prescribed by doctors often have reverse effects on her. She is left handed, and so I have in the back of my mind that her brain may be reversely dominate.

After her first session (T3/A1/Cz/T4/A2 squash 15-35), she felt horrible for 4 days complaining of more trouble sleeping, less energy, poor concentration, sad, sharp headache pain (different than her usual headaches), sudden dizzy spells and a stiff neck.

I immediately changed to her centrals and had mixed results.

At one point she went to the hospital for a dizzy spell (not associated with nfb), so I decided to work Cz SMR to help with the dizzyness. It seemed to help, so we did it again the next session. The session went for 20 minutes. She began to develop a bit of a headache, so we decided to try 5 minutes of Fz SMR. (Fz SMR had helped once before with her headache).

After 1 minute, 16 seconds at Fz, she had to stop because she couldn't feel her feet! She went home and was miserable with terrible headache pain. The doctor that I work with, who has eight years of clinical experience, told me to bring her back in and do a 2 38 Hz squash at C3/C4/A1. I did that and a few hours later she had some relief. The relief only lasted a few hours, and went back to being unbearable. Two days later I did the squash on her again. She couldn't tolerate the squash to be less than 90% success without her headache getting worse.

One week later she called and said she was still miserable from the nfb, but wanted to continue with treatments! Aaugh!

She has had 12 sessions to date. I'm nervous to continue treatments with her, and yet don't want to abandon her either.

I know what everyone's first question will be, and the answer is yes. I did an assessment on her prior to treatment.

Has anyone ever heard of someone being so adversely affected for such long periods? She spoke with a chiropractor that apparently knows a bit about nfb, and he thought the session may have triggered the TMJ to act up. (???)

Any input is appreciated.

Diane Curriden

for GoodClick here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

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[Guest guest]

Diane,

I have found that for irritable lobe or temporal lobe disconnect with the hi

beta 2x on the left over right, that 2- 38 squash --very, very loose, while

rewarding SMR (dropping until client reports relaxation and/or release) has

worked very well and is gentle.

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I tried the 2 channel squash protocol because of irritable temporal lobes (16.3-19.9%). I explained during the assessment that she needed to keep her jaw relaxed, but after her reaction I figured perhaps she doesn't know what a relaxed jaw feels like.

She takes 4 different meds that I know of; zomig for migraines, serax and/or xanax for anxiety, and unisom occasionally for sleep. She definitely wants to get off of them.

I feel I need to be as gentle with her as possible. I was told that the 2-38 Hz squash is very gentle. Any other gentle approaches people have to offer would be appreciated.

Perhaps someone can give me a little lesson on why some protocols are less strenuous than others?

Dianemtlindsey@... wrote:

Diane,

Your e-mail mentioned training (T3/A1/Cz/T4/A2 squash 15-35)--was this due to a temporal lobe disconnect or irritable lobes (hi beta both t3 and t4)? If it was due to the disconnect was the 2x higher hi beta in the left or right temporal lobe?

--Warmly, This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and it is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you should destroy this message and notify the sender by reply email. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction or transmission of this email is strictly prohibited.

-------------- Original message --------------

I have a client with numerous difficulties. She came to see me because of her chronic fatigue, but she also has migraine headaches, tension headaches, vestibular problems ( tinnitus 24/7, dizzy spells), TMJ, bruxism, anxiety, ADD, short term memory issues...on and on. Her subjective assessment, she rated 28 items as a number 3, 10 items as a number 2, and 17 items as a number 1. It would probably be easier to list the things she doesn't have problems with!

On top of it all, the medications she has been prescribed by doctors often have reverse effects on her. She is left handed, and so I have in the back of my mind that her brain may be reversely dominate.

After her first session (T3/A1/Cz/T4/A2 squash 15-35), she felt horrible for 4 days complaining of more trouble sleeping, less energy, poor concentration, sad, sharp headache pain (different than her usual headaches), sudden dizzy spells and a stiff neck.

I immediately changed to her centrals and had mixed results.

At one point she went to the hospital for a dizzy spell (not associated with nfb), so I decided to work Cz SMR to help with the dizzyness. It seemed to help, so we did it again the next session. The session went for 20 minutes. She began to develop a bit of a headache, so we decided to try 5 minutes of Fz SMR. (Fz SMR had helped once before with her headache).

After 1 minute, 16 seconds at Fz, she had to stop because she couldn't feel her feet! She went home and was miserable with terrible headache pain. The doctor that I work with, who has eight years of clinical experience, told me to bring her back in and do a 2 38 Hz squash at C3/C4/A1. I did that and a few hours later she had some relief. The relief only lasted a few hours, and went back to being unbearable. Two days later I did the squash on her again. She couldn't tolerate the squash to be less than 90% success without her headache getting worse.

One week later she called and said she was still miserable from the nfb, but wanted to continue with treatments! Aaugh!

She has had 12 sessions to date. I'm nervous to continue treatments with her, and yet don't want to abandon her either.

I know what everyone's first question will be, and the answer is yes. I did an assessment on her prior to treatment.

Has anyone ever heard of someone being so adversely affected for such long periods? She spoke with a chiropractor that apparently knows a bit about nfb, and he thought the session may have triggered the TMJ to act up. (???)

Any input is appreciated.

Diane Curriden

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