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IHey, I wrote GArth from the lengthy article with a question( minte is below his), and this was his reply. I wrote him and asked him if it was O.K. to put it on the chat room, and he said it was O.K. He said he had got a feew nice and a few not so nice from DC's in Oregon. gaamodt@... writes:

Dr. White;

Thanks for the comments and questions. To respond; I have no problem with ROM devices and rely on them heavily (dual inclinometers, goniometers, AMA guidelines for ROM, etc.). I should have been more definitive in my comment perhaps, since that's one part of a subluxation station that may have validity. But I personally feel that sEMG is a sham. I also think the "smart adjustor" devices which give a linear "thrumming" via an activator-type piston are probably useless, except if perhaps by accident it may tweak the very old or very young. (ly, I think activator work is 99% placebo.) I base this on years of observation and reading as many articles as I can find which have examined these devices. Of course, since no real application has yet been perfected for sEMG (e.g. not used by any legitimate scientific field that I'm aware of) and certainly not by any neurologist to assess nerve impingement, it seems to best qualify as "junk science". I'm chagrined that probably 99% of users of sEMG devices are D.C.'s. The absence of any use by other professions/science/research, etc., should perhaps be a sign. True Biofeedback can be useful but I'm not aware of that in the subluxation station, as such. Thermographs, as typically used in our profession, I don't feel are reliable due to normal anatomical variants and little to no effective information. The hand held Thermeters of B.J.'s day were a joke and frankly, mainly a way to supplement his income, from what I've seen. Now we computerized the joke and have pretty bars that print next to the artistic little drawing. But it means nothing, in my opinion. Just bells and whistles! I'd like to see anything that can document these things, but most of the pro-stuff is by guys like Gentempo or Pisciatano, who are vendors and have no scienctific validity. If some day the proof is validated, I'll be glad to rethink my attitude. To date, I've seen nothing to make me think otherwise. Just my opinion.

Thanks again for taking the time to write.

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I enjoyed reading your article, and agree with the idea of looking at what we are embracing when we call for unity. I just wonder, why do you consider the information given by a sEMG, thermograph, range of motion, or for that matter, any biofeedback mechanism, bogus??? I'm a little confused by your statement. Is it the application of the information, or do you just flat out not think these are a reflection of what is happening with someone's nervous system.

Would appreciate a reply if you have time.

Don WHite,RN, DC

CAnyon Rd Chiropractic & Massage

Beaverton, OR

503 641-8000

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In a message dated 10/10/2005 2:10:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, MekaAbou@... writes:

He said he had got a feew nice and a few not so nice from DC's in Oregon

I really am literate.. He said he had received .........letters from..........

Don WHite, RN, DC

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Doctor,

who sent this? Who wrote the comments on sEMG and activator? I see no signatures after comments, (other than the email address and it's hard to tell who that is.) It's nice to know who's saying what. This is request of using the listserv also. Thanks,

Minga Guerrero DC

VP OBCE

In a message dated 10/10/2005 2:10:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, MekaAbou@... writes:

IHey, I wrote GArth from the lengthy article with a question( minte is below his), and this was his reply. I wrote him and asked him if it was O.K. to put it on the chat room, and he said it was O.K. He said he had got a feew nice and a few not so nice from DC's in Oregon. gaamodt@... writes:

Dr. White;

Thanks for the comments and questions. To respond; I have no problem with ROM devices and rely on them heavily (dual inclinometers, goniometers, AMA guidelines for ROM, etc.). I should have been more definitive in my comment perhaps, since that's one part of a subluxation station that may have validity. But I personally feel that sEMG is a sham. I also think the "smart adjustor" devices which give a linear "thrumming" via an activator-type piston are probably useless, except if perhaps by accident it may tweak the very old or very young. (ly, I think activator work is 99% placebo.) I base this on years of observation and reading as many articles as I can find which have examined these devices. Of course, since no real application has yet been perfected for sEMG (e.g. not used by any legitimate scientific field that I'm aware of) and certainly not by any neurologist to assess nerve impingement, it seems to best qualify as "junk science". I'm chagrined that probably 99% of users of sEMG devices are D.C.'s. The absence of any use by other professions/science/research, etc., should perhaps be a sign. True Biofeedback can be useful but I'm not aware of that in the subluxation station, as such. Thermographs, as typically used in our profession, I don't feel are reliable due to normal anatomical variants and little to no effective information. The hand held Thermeters of B.J.'s day were a joke and frankly, mainly a way to supplement his income, from what I've seen. Now we computerized the joke and have pretty bars that print next to the artistic little drawing. But it means nothing, in my opinion. Just bells and whistles! I'd like to see anything that can document these things, but most of the pro-stuff is by guys like Gentempo or Pisciatano, who are vendors and have no scienctific validity. If some day the proof is validated, I'll be glad to rethink my attitude. To date, I've seen nothing to make me think otherwise. Just my opinion.

Thanks again for taking the time to write.

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I enjoyed reading your article, and agree with the idea of looking at what we are embracing when we call for unity. I just wonder, why do you consider the information given by a sEMG, thermograph, range of motion, or for that matter, any biofeedback mechanism, bogus??? I'm a little confused by your statement. Is it the application of the information, or do you just flat out not think these are a reflection of what is happening with someone's nervous system.

Would appreciate a reply if you have time.

Don WHite,RN, DC

CAnyon Rd Chiropractic & Massage

Beaverton, OR

503 641-8000

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Hey Minga,

The Post was from me, and since it was addressed to Dr. White, I thought it was clear. The post is the response I got from the doctor that wrote the " lengthy article" post that people were commenting on. My question to him was the one at the end.

Anyway, did the activator comments tweak your interest??? Them thar r fightin words, eh??

His name and address:

Garth Aamodt, DCGrand Rapids, Michigangaamodt@...

Respectfully and properly signed,

Don White, RN, DC

503 641-8000