Re: Questions about Permission to Evaluate Form

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I guess I've just been fortunate, . No one has ever, ever asked what

's IQ score was, even though it was made available to us years ago. It

never affected any service he received while in school and was never referred to

as a way to get more or less of a therapy. He's classified as a MR student and

we've been given anything we've asked for from inclusion down to speech therapy

3x a week. I just thought that the score came from the various tests they

conducted, none which mattered to me at the time.....I knew his capabilities and

conveyed that in questions asked of me by the psychologist and we moved on from

there as a team and developed a plan. Maybe we are lucky to live in the

district we do, but I never felt like they were doing any tests to exclude him

or undermine us, but rather get more information to build his IEP with. I know

it probably isn't the same everywhere. There are always exceptions to the rule.

Jackie

>

> >

> > Maybe I'm missing something here, but why all the paranoia about an IQ

> score?

>

> For many reasons, especially if your child needs more speech. There is that

> thing that could pop up that says something like " Speech abilities

> commeserate with cognitive abilities " . Children could lose speech therapy.

> I have Libby's book at work - otherwise, I'd quote her.

>

> I'm part of the system so to speak and I always here " so what is his/her

> IQ " - like that is the most important thing about a child without finding

> out what their strengths and needs are first. I don't want my child labeled

> based on a number.

>

> Also, most of those tests are verbally based. I reviewed a child's psych

> eval who has a hearing impairment. Sure enough, he showed up being in the

> MR range. When a TONI was done, his cognitive level jumped to the normal

> range. Parents have to be careful.

>

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In a message dated 4/1/2005 5:39:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

I'm curious, when they say " he needs " to be at the alternative placement,

does that mean they can force that on you or can you get around their

recommendation? And if you choose not to follow their recommendation, does

that mean

you would have to go through due process to prove otherwise?

What they say this year was, if I pushed for him to stay at East Dale or

refused to allow him to go to Barrackville they wouldn't force the issue. They

also insisted (my words as they kept bringing it up) that we at least let

Nick visit their proposed placement twice and if they could get permission, I

could visit it as well, before any decision was made. One reason, I feel they

(meaning BOE personnel) have back down is the principal doesn't see any

reason to move Nick, the SLP doesn't and the OT doesn't. The Special Ed

teacher

felt the other teacher had more experience but felt he could do what she did

in her classroom in his; that is until the lady from the BOE came and talked

to him the day of the IEP. At that point, he seemed resigned to Nick moving,

but as far as I know isn't opposed to having Nick back.

Cari

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In a message dated 4/1/2005 5:39:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

I'm curious, when they say " he needs " to be at the alternative placement,

does that mean they can force that on you or can you get around their

recommendation? And if you choose not to follow their recommendation, does

that mean

you would have to go through due process to prove otherwise?

What they say this year was, if I pushed for him to stay at East Dale or

refused to allow him to go to Barrackville they wouldn't force the issue. They

also insisted (my words as they kept bringing it up) that we at least let

Nick visit their proposed placement twice and if they could get permission, I

could visit it as well, before any decision was made. One reason, I feel they

(meaning BOE personnel) have back down is the principal doesn't see any

reason to move Nick, the SLP doesn't and the OT doesn't. The Special Ed

teacher

felt the other teacher had more experience but felt he could do what she did

in her classroom in his; that is until the lady from the BOE came and talked

to him the day of the IEP. At that point, he seemed resigned to Nick moving,

but as far as I know isn't opposed to having Nick back.

Cari

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In a message dated 4/1/2005 8:12:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

No one has ever, ever asked what 's IQ score was, even though it was

made available to us years ago. It

They don't have to ask because it is in his records and everyone has access

to it. I am so glad that everything worked out so well for you and for

. You have been very fortunate and I am so glad that you have been. I

have

just recently heard of a case (from the mother) h where a child with DS

tested borderline normal and has been denied services such as Physical therapy

(which this child has great need of) . What in the heck does IQ have to do

with

the physical movement, or lack Thereof, of your body?? Anyway, IQ scoring

is a double edged sword. I have many teachers in my family and one just

recently told me that her school does across the board IQ testing in 1st grade

because she is in a largely minority school district. This is a way to test

all

the children on the outdated theory that children of minority heritage have

lower IQ " S and need help. (ie special ed) I personally think this is just

flat out discrimination and would scream if I knew this was going on in my

district. But there you have it.

Loree

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In a message dated 4/1/2005 8:12:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

No one has ever, ever asked what 's IQ score was, even though it was

made available to us years ago. It

They don't have to ask because it is in his records and everyone has access

to it. I am so glad that everything worked out so well for you and for

. You have been very fortunate and I am so glad that you have been. I

have

just recently heard of a case (from the mother) h where a child with DS

tested borderline normal and has been denied services such as Physical therapy

(which this child has great need of) . What in the heck does IQ have to do

with

the physical movement, or lack Thereof, of your body?? Anyway, IQ scoring

is a double edged sword. I have many teachers in my family and one just

recently told me that her school does across the board IQ testing in 1st grade

because she is in a largely minority school district. This is a way to test

all

the children on the outdated theory that children of minority heritage have

lower IQ " S and need help. (ie special ed) I personally think this is just

flat out discrimination and would scream if I knew this was going on in my

district. But there you have it.

Loree

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Just once more I'm gonna give my opinion here- I agree with jackie and to

assess some state services, they do require a score. I think if we are

advocating for our children, a few numbers shouldnt make the difference.

's score has never been used against her, in fact, we used it to change

her placement which we felt we needed to do for HS-I do not believe that it

will be used against her. She had an interview with the school and her

teachers for next year and the guidance counselor, and I believe that her

performance

in the interview weighed much more heavily than her few numbers of her IQ.

They told her she would read 'The Grapes of Wrath', just like everyone else.

And she could take her electives in her areas of interest- music, theater and

dance. They told her friend he could take his electives in his area of

interest- art and cartooning. I dont believe they checked their scores.

Again, just my opinion- but advocate we do and usually in the best interest

of our child.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Just once more I'm gonna give my opinion here- I agree with jackie and to

assess some state services, they do require a score. I think if we are

advocating for our children, a few numbers shouldnt make the difference.

's score has never been used against her, in fact, we used it to change

her placement which we felt we needed to do for HS-I do not believe that it

will be used against her. She had an interview with the school and her

teachers for next year and the guidance counselor, and I believe that her

performance

in the interview weighed much more heavily than her few numbers of her IQ.

They told her she would read 'The Grapes of Wrath', just like everyone else.

And she could take her electives in her areas of interest- music, theater and

dance. They told her friend he could take his electives in his area of

interest- art and cartooning. I dont believe they checked their scores.

Again, just my opinion- but advocate we do and usually in the best interest

of our child.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

> Just once more I'm gonna give my opinion here- I agree with jackie and to

> assess some state services, they do require a score. I think if we are

> advocating for our children, a few numbers shouldnt make the difference.

, read my response to Jackie. has great speech abilities, but

if she needed alot of speech in school, her psychological testing could be

held against her. Hence, a few numbers could make a HUGE difference.

has been tested, privately. I did use that for accessing state

services (MR Waiver) - but the results are a private matter and to be shared

with only those who must need it (our MR agency).

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>

> Hi,

> Just once more I'm gonna give my opinion here- I agree with jackie and to

> assess some state services, they do require a score. I think if we are

> advocating for our children, a few numbers shouldnt make the difference.

, read my response to Jackie. has great speech abilities, but

if she needed alot of speech in school, her psychological testing could be

held against her. Hence, a few numbers could make a HUGE difference.

has been tested, privately. I did use that for accessing state

services (MR Waiver) - but the results are a private matter and to be shared

with only those who must need it (our MR agency).

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I guess back when they did the testing on I figured it was to prove he

needed services, not to deny him services. Yes, I do believe I am fortunate and

regret that some parents are denied inclusion due to an IQ score. My

understanding was that the IEP drives the services and not a score on a test.

Another case of it not being the same everywhere!

Jackie

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In a message dated 4/1/2005 8:12:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

No one has ever, ever asked what 's IQ score was, even though it was made

available to us years ago. It

They don't have to ask because it is in his records and everyone has access to

it. I am so glad that everything worked out so well for you and for . You

have been very fortunate and I am so glad that you have been. I have just

recently heard of a case (from the mother) h where a child with DS tested

borderline normal and has been denied services such as Physical therapy (which

this child has great need of) . What in the heck does IQ have to do with the

physical movement, or lack Thereof, of your body?? Anyway, IQ scoring is a

double edged sword. I have many teachers in my family and one just recently told

me that her school does across the board IQ testing in 1st grade because she is

in a largely minority school district. This is a way to test all the children

on the outdated theory that children of minority heritage have lower IQ " S and

need help. (ie special ed) I personally think this is just flat out

discrimination and would scream if I knew this was going on in my district. But

there you have it.

Loree

[Guest guest]

I guess back when they did the testing on I figured it was to prove he

needed services, not to deny him services. Yes, I do believe I am fortunate and

regret that some parents are denied inclusion due to an IQ score. My

understanding was that the IEP drives the services and not a score on a test.

Another case of it not being the same everywhere!

Jackie

-------------- Original message --------------

In a message dated 4/1/2005 8:12:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

No one has ever, ever asked what 's IQ score was, even though it was made

available to us years ago. It

They don't have to ask because it is in his records and everyone has access to

it. I am so glad that everything worked out so well for you and for . You

have been very fortunate and I am so glad that you have been. I have just

recently heard of a case (from the mother) h where a child with DS tested

borderline normal and has been denied services such as Physical therapy (which

this child has great need of) . What in the heck does IQ have to do with the

physical movement, or lack Thereof, of your body?? Anyway, IQ scoring is a

double edged sword. I have many teachers in my family and one just recently told

me that her school does across the board IQ testing in 1st grade because she is

in a largely minority school district. This is a way to test all the children

on the outdated theory that children of minority heritage have lower IQ " S and

need help. (ie special ed) I personally think this is just flat out

discrimination and would scream if I knew this was going on in my district. But

there you have it.

Loree

[Guest guest]

,

I know what you said to jackie and amanda has never been denied speech

services or any other services. She had an incredible speech teacher that was

the

same person all through elementary school. And although amanda is very verbal,

I still like to credit her speech teacher to some degree.

We have been very fourtunate that amanda's schooling has been driven by her

IEP and modified and adjusted as necessary. But without an IQ score, we would

be denied other fabulous services that we get from the state- having DS is not

qualifying in itself for medicaid or its related services like service

coordination and in home reshab.

Were I to do it over again with all that I know now, I would still be ok with

the decision I made for amanda and each one of our family members is

different and we have to do what we feel is best for them.

[Guest guest]

I have a friend here in San Diego who had services denied for her

daugher (wDS) after she agreed to an IQ test at her trienial. The

little girl was barely 3, transitioning from Early Intervention to

school district services, and because she tested 1 point over the MR

" cutoff " , they denied her several things (can't remember what.....

speech was one). She had to fight and fight and fight to try and get

necessary services. Now that she is in kindergarten though, the

districit doesn't want her fully included. So, at age 3, so was so

smart they didn't think she needed services, but by 5, she couldn't be

fully included. They are using her IQ score (which, is it even accurate

at this age?) to drive what they think at the moment.

Not that all districts will be like that..... ours has assured us that

they " would never do something like that " . However, they cannot

demonstrate any reason that knowing 's IQ would help them teach

her better, so we have politely refused each time it has come up. I

also think that because many of our kids work up to a " higher potential "

then their IQ score suggests, some teachers MAY have lower expectations

for their abilities if they were met with a score, rather than looking

at what the child can do. Obviously all teachers would not be biased in

this way, but some might, and to me, that's too much of a risk.

reads at grade level...... she's not even in the lowest

reading group. This is amazing, and probably unexpected for a 1st

grader with DS (or MR, since if testing is accurate at 2 years 10

months, she tests in the mild MR range) If the first grade teacher had

seen an IQ score indicating that she was MR , would she have persisted

through the times that refused to read (later to find out that

it was when she moved up a reading level and there was smaller font and

more words on the page....... just said " I can't do it " ....

would the teacher have said, well, she's MR, I guess it's to be

expected.????) I don't know the asnwers, but IMHO, unless as a parent

you feel the score would be beneficial to your child, it's not worth

it. Just my 2 cents.

, mom to (9), (7 DS), and (5)

wrote:

>

>

>

>>Hi,

>>Just once more I'm gonna give my opinion here- I agree with jackie and to

>>assess some state services, they do require a score. I think if we are

>>advocating for our children, a few numbers shouldnt make the difference.

>>

>>

>

>, read my response to Jackie. has great speech abilities, but

>if she needed alot of speech in school, her psychological testing could be

>held against her. Hence, a few numbers could make a HUGE difference.

> has been tested, privately. I did use that for accessing state

>services (MR Waiver) - but the results are a private matter and to be shared

>with only those who must need it (our MR agency).

>

>

>

>

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I have a friend here in San Diego who had services denied for her

daugher (wDS) after she agreed to an IQ test at her trienial. The

little girl was barely 3, transitioning from Early Intervention to

school district services, and because she tested 1 point over the MR

" cutoff " , they denied her several things (can't remember what.....

speech was one). She had to fight and fight and fight to try and get

necessary services. Now that she is in kindergarten though, the

districit doesn't want her fully included. So, at age 3, so was so

smart they didn't think she needed services, but by 5, she couldn't be

fully included. They are using her IQ score (which, is it even accurate

at this age?) to drive what they think at the moment.

Not that all districts will be like that..... ours has assured us that

they " would never do something like that " . However, they cannot

demonstrate any reason that knowing 's IQ would help them teach

her better, so we have politely refused each time it has come up. I

also think that because many of our kids work up to a " higher potential "

then their IQ score suggests, some teachers MAY have lower expectations

for their abilities if they were met with a score, rather than looking

at what the child can do. Obviously all teachers would not be biased in

this way, but some might, and to me, that's too much of a risk.

reads at grade level...... she's not even in the lowest

reading group. This is amazing, and probably unexpected for a 1st

grader with DS (or MR, since if testing is accurate at 2 years 10

months, she tests in the mild MR range) If the first grade teacher had

seen an IQ score indicating that she was MR , would she have persisted

through the times that refused to read (later to find out that

it was when she moved up a reading level and there was smaller font and

more words on the page....... just said " I can't do it " ....

would the teacher have said, well, she's MR, I guess it's to be

expected.????) I don't know the asnwers, but IMHO, unless as a parent

you feel the score would be beneficial to your child, it's not worth

it. Just my 2 cents.

, mom to (9), (7 DS), and (5)

wrote:

>

>

>

>>Hi,

>>Just once more I'm gonna give my opinion here- I agree with jackie and to

>>assess some state services, they do require a score. I think if we are

>>advocating for our children, a few numbers shouldnt make the difference.

>>

>>

>

>, read my response to Jackie. has great speech abilities, but

>if she needed alot of speech in school, her psychological testing could be

>held against her. Hence, a few numbers could make a HUGE difference.

> has been tested, privately. I did use that for accessing state

>services (MR Waiver) - but the results are a private matter and to be shared

>with only those who must need it (our MR agency).

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 4/2/2005 5:39:26 PM Central Standard Time,

linman42@... writes:

Were I to do it over again with all that I know now, I would still be ok

with

the decision I made for amanda and each one of our family members is

different and we have to do what we feel is best for them.

Hi

I have one suggestion ............. don't leave your area lol because an IQ

score will follow your child and certain parts of the country (my area

included) it could be detrimental. The reason I opt OUT on IQ testing

................. Mike's always talking about moving and I don't want to do

anything to

hinder placement, services etc .... for Sara IMHO

Kathy mom to Sara 13

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In a message dated 4/2/2005 5:39:26 PM Central Standard Time,

linman42@... writes:

Were I to do it over again with all that I know now, I would still be ok

with

the decision I made for amanda and each one of our family members is

different and we have to do what we feel is best for them.

Hi

I have one suggestion ............. don't leave your area lol because an IQ

score will follow your child and certain parts of the country (my area

included) it could be detrimental. The reason I opt OUT on IQ testing

................. Mike's always talking about moving and I don't want to do

anything to

hinder placement, services etc .... for Sara IMHO

Kathy mom to Sara 13

¸...¸ ___/ /\ \___ ¸...¸

,·´º o`·, /__/ _/\_ \__\ ,·´º o`·,

```)¨(´´´ | | | | | | | | | ```)¨(´´´

¸,.-·²°´ ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸ `°²·-.¸

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Josh. 24:15

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In a message dated 4/2/2005 10:06:50 AM Central Standard Time,

linman42@... writes:

I agree with jackie and to

assess some state services, they do require a score.

HI

If it were me I definitely would NOT rely on the school Psych do testing

Sara needed for state services. IMHO I would have a private testing for that,

using tools that would give a valid score. Sara's biggest deficit is language

and if the Stanford-Binet, or Wechsler Intelligence Scales or other similar

tests were given then it would produce an inaccurate score, no validity.

If parents are going to say yes to IQ testing then carefully look at the

test used. There are tests which are more appropriate for kids with language

delays ............. this advice was given to me by my uncle (Psych ) who tests

children and prisoners for disabilities.

Kathy mom to Sara 13

¸...¸ ___/ /\ \___ ¸...¸

,·´º o`·, /__/ _/\_ \__\ ,·´º o`·,

```)¨(´´´ | | | | | | | | | ```)¨(´´´

¸,.-·²°´ ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸ `°²·-.¸

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Josh. 24:15

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In a message dated 4/2/2005 10:06:50 AM Central Standard Time,

linman42@... writes:

I agree with jackie and to

assess some state services, they do require a score.

HI

If it were me I definitely would NOT rely on the school Psych do testing

Sara needed for state services. IMHO I would have a private testing for that,

using tools that would give a valid score. Sara's biggest deficit is language

and if the Stanford-Binet, or Wechsler Intelligence Scales or other similar

tests were given then it would produce an inaccurate score, no validity.

If parents are going to say yes to IQ testing then carefully look at the

test used. There are tests which are more appropriate for kids with language

delays ............. this advice was given to me by my uncle (Psych ) who tests

children and prisoners for disabilities.

Kathy mom to Sara 13

¸...¸ ___/ /\ \___ ¸...¸

,·´º o`·, /__/ _/\_ \__\ ,·´º o`·,

```)¨(´´´ | | | | | | | | | ```)¨(´´´

¸,.-·²°´ ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸ `°²·-.¸

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Josh. 24:15

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But without an IQ score, we would

> be denied other fabulous services that we get from the state- having DS is

not

> qualifying in itself for medicaid or its related services like service

> coordination and in home reshab.

Yes, for state, non-school services, this is needed. I believe it's a

federal requirment for MR Medicaid Waiver programs.

What I am saying is that for school purposes, parents need to avoid having

the school evaluate their child. Some parents take those private

evaluations and " cut out " what they want to keep private and then share with

the school system. The school system should have nothing to do with

medicaid, service coordination, etc. when it comes to eligibility for those

services.

I'm laughing here b/c 's teacher is very involved on a state level

and helped us get Waiver for . (I also wrote letters and officials

at Tim's national union office did their share, too). We got lucky that he

has a teacher with so many state and local contacts in MR services outside

of her work with the school system. Most teachers do not. The MR agency

never even asked for a copy of 's IEP during the initial intake

process- but his case manager did attend the meeting on Friday and took a

copy with him.

, I'm so jealous that you all have such fabulous services in Brooklyn.

VA has a long way to go. Once turns 13, he can join this Saturday

club. Now that our family composition is changing in a few months, it's

imperative that has friends. He's going to be heartbroken when

Katey goes to college. Thank God is moving back home in September

while Matt is deployed to Iraq again. Meanwhile, I want to pull together

some program ideas for the local children and families. I have several

parents who are willing to help me when the time comes.

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But without an IQ score, we would

> be denied other fabulous services that we get from the state- having DS is

not

> qualifying in itself for medicaid or its related services like service

> coordination and in home reshab.

Yes, for state, non-school services, this is needed. I believe it's a

federal requirment for MR Medicaid Waiver programs.

What I am saying is that for school purposes, parents need to avoid having

the school evaluate their child. Some parents take those private

evaluations and " cut out " what they want to keep private and then share with

the school system. The school system should have nothing to do with

medicaid, service coordination, etc. when it comes to eligibility for those

services.

I'm laughing here b/c 's teacher is very involved on a state level

and helped us get Waiver for . (I also wrote letters and officials

at Tim's national union office did their share, too). We got lucky that he

has a teacher with so many state and local contacts in MR services outside

of her work with the school system. Most teachers do not. The MR agency

never even asked for a copy of 's IEP during the initial intake

process- but his case manager did attend the meeting on Friday and took a

copy with him.

, I'm so jealous that you all have such fabulous services in Brooklyn.

VA has a long way to go. Once turns 13, he can join this Saturday

club. Now that our family composition is changing in a few months, it's

imperative that has friends. He's going to be heartbroken when

Katey goes to college. Thank God is moving back home in September

while Matt is deployed to Iraq again. Meanwhile, I want to pull together

some program ideas for the local children and families. I have several

parents who are willing to help me when the time comes.

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In a message dated 4/3/2005 6:16:10 AM Central Standard Time,

mom2bridget@... writes:

Kathy,

Which test are suggested? How do we find out about them?

Bridget was just retested by the schools (Our schools are under court order

due to inappropriate placements) and used the 2 test you listed. I feel they

are not good test, but do not know where to find something more appropriate.

(mom to Bridget 11)

Hi

Years back Green told me to look at the TONI or Leiter, both are geared

for kids with language delays. I asked my uncle about these two tests and he

agreed this would be more appropriate for Sara. Luckily when the Reval

meeting came around I just asked if anyone thought Sara had no MR? All agreed

she

did so I ended the meeting with OK no need to assess her. At Sara's initial

evaluation Sara did have an IQ test .................. I call this time

Pre-Workshop days lol I allowed to many things back then lol

Now because I did allow an invalid test to be done on Sara, I did demand

they black out the score and the only paper to be in the school file is the

summary (which was surprising accurate) My sister who taught in my area told me

to NEVER let the scores into the schools, she said Reg Ed teachers who may get

your child will FREAK if they found out the IQ score of a child coming into

their class (just their lack of knowledge and fear) I also know of a child who

had an invalid test done and scored a 20 .............. very low. Yrs later

he is now reading on a 3rd grade reading level at age 11.

Anyway I am passionate in making sure accurate tests are done in school,

the medical arena etc .......... Sara could be like me and have test phobia

too lol

Kathy mom to Sara 13

¸...¸ ___/ /\ \___ ¸...¸

,·´º o`·, /__/ _/\_ \__\ ,·´º o`·,

```)¨(´´´ | | | | | | | | | ```)¨(´´´

¸,.-·²°´ ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸ `°²·-.¸

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Josh. 24:15

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/3/2005 6:16:10 AM Central Standard Time,

mom2bridget@... writes:

Kathy,

Which test are suggested? How do we find out about them?

Bridget was just retested by the schools (Our schools are under court order

due to inappropriate placements) and used the 2 test you listed. I feel they

are not good test, but do not know where to find something more appropriate.

(mom to Bridget 11)

Hi

Years back Green told me to look at the TONI or Leiter, both are geared

for kids with language delays. I asked my uncle about these two tests and he

agreed this would be more appropriate for Sara. Luckily when the Reval

meeting came around I just asked if anyone thought Sara had no MR? All agreed

she

did so I ended the meeting with OK no need to assess her. At Sara's initial

evaluation Sara did have an IQ test .................. I call this time

Pre-Workshop days lol I allowed to many things back then lol

Now because I did allow an invalid test to be done on Sara, I did demand

they black out the score and the only paper to be in the school file is the

summary (which was surprising accurate) My sister who taught in my area told me

to NEVER let the scores into the schools, she said Reg Ed teachers who may get

your child will FREAK if they found out the IQ score of a child coming into

their class (just their lack of knowledge and fear) I also know of a child who

had an invalid test done and scored a 20 .............. very low. Yrs later

he is now reading on a 3rd grade reading level at age 11.

Anyway I am passionate in making sure accurate tests are done in school,

the medical arena etc .......... Sara could be like me and have test phobia

too lol

Kathy mom to Sara 13

¸...¸ ___/ /\ \___ ¸...¸

,·´º o`·, /__/ _/\_ \__\ ,·´º o`·,

```)¨(´´´ | | | | | | | | | ```)¨(´´´

¸,.-·²°´ ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸ `°²·-.¸

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Josh. 24:15

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Which test are suggested? How do we find out about them?

Bridget was just retested by the schools (Our schools are under court order due

to inappropriate placements) and used the 2 test you listed. I feel they are

not good test, but do not know where to find something more appropriate.

(mom to Bridget 11)

HI

If it were me I definitely would NOT rely on the school Psych do testing

Sara needed for state services. IMHO I would have a private testing for that,

using tools that would give a valid score. Sara's biggest deficit is language

and if the Stanford-Binet, or Wechsler Intelligence Scales or other similar

tests were given then it would produce an inaccurate score, no validity.

If parents are going to say yes to IQ testing then carefully look at the

test used. There are tests which are more appropriate for kids with language

delays ............. this advice was given to me by my uncle (Psych ) who

tests

children and prisoners for disabilities.

Kathy mom to Sara 13

¸...¸ ___/ /\ \___ ¸...¸

,·´º o`·, /__/ _/\_ \__\ ,·´º o`·,

```)¨(´´´ | | | | | | | | | ```)¨(´´´

¸,.-·²°´ ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸ `°²·-.¸

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Josh. 24:15

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

Which test are suggested? How do we find out about them?

Bridget was just retested by the schools (Our schools are under court order due

to inappropriate placements) and used the 2 test you listed. I feel they are

not good test, but do not know where to find something more appropriate.

(mom to Bridget 11)

HI

If it were me I definitely would NOT rely on the school Psych do testing

Sara needed for state services. IMHO I would have a private testing for that,

using tools that would give a valid score. Sara's biggest deficit is language

and if the Stanford-Binet, or Wechsler Intelligence Scales or other similar

tests were given then it would produce an inaccurate score, no validity.

If parents are going to say yes to IQ testing then carefully look at the

test used. There are tests which are more appropriate for kids with language

delays ............. this advice was given to me by my uncle (Psych ) who

tests

children and prisoners for disabilities.

Kathy mom to Sara 13

¸...¸ ___/ /\ \___ ¸...¸

,·´º o`·, /__/ _/\_ \__\ ,·´º o`·,

```)¨(´´´ | | | | | | | | | ```)¨(´´´

¸,.-·²°´ ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸ `°²·-.¸

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Josh. 24:15

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/2/2005 8:08:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cindysue@... writes:

VA has a long way to go.

Amen to that!

Cheryl in VA