Re: Questions about Permission to Evaluate Form

March 31, 2005

blank form that lists the following evals that they wish to do:

Psychological, speech and language, physical therapy and occupational therapy

evaluations>>>>>

did they list the specific tests that they are going to use for each area of

testing? And did they list why they chose or are using that test...what they're

looking for?

If they didn't list the specific test then check the box that says no info.

needed and send it back. they then have to either meet with you to give you the

info. you want or be more specific on their paperwork. Even when they give you

names oftests you might then want to run them by this list and get some opinions

from people who've maybe used them . For instance a phycological test given to

has to be one for the deaf/hearing impaired since she responds much better

to a visual based test then one given verbally.

Joy

March 31, 2005

blank form that lists the following evals that they wish to do:

Psychological, speech and language, physical therapy and occupational therapy

evaluations>>>>>

did they list the specific tests that they are going to use for each area of

testing? And did they list why they chose or are using that test...what they're

looking for?

If they didn't list the specific test then check the box that says no info.

needed and send it back. they then have to either meet with you to give you the

info. you want or be more specific on their paperwork. Even when they give you

names oftests you might then want to run them by this list and get some opinions

from people who've maybe used them . For instance a phycological test given to

has to be one for the deaf/hearing impaired since she responds much better

to a visual based test then one given verbally.

Joy

March 31, 2005

No they did not list the specific tests nor why they chose the ones they are

using nor what they were looking for. Though honestly it should not even

require a complete eval... she has Down syndrome for criminey's sake.... can't

they just take it for granted that she needs supports in at least the

educational and speech areas??

RE: Questions about Permission to Evaluate Form

blank form that lists the following evals that they wish to do:

Psychological, speech and language, physical therapy and occupational therapy

evaluations>>>>>

did they list the specific tests that they are going to use for each area of

testing? And did they list why they chose or are using that test...what they're

looking for?

If they didn't list the specific test then check the box that says no info.

needed and send it back. they then have to either meet with you to give you the

info. you want or be more specific on their paperwork. Even when they give you

names oftests you might then want to run them by this list and get some opinions

from people who've maybe used them . For instance a phycological test given to

has to be one for the deaf/hearing impaired since she responds much better

to a visual based test then one given verbally.

Joy

March 31, 2005

No they did not list the specific tests nor why they chose the ones they are

using nor what they were looking for. Though honestly it should not even

require a complete eval... she has Down syndrome for criminey's sake.... can't

they just take it for granted that she needs supports in at least the

educational and speech areas??

RE: Questions about Permission to Evaluate Form

blank form that lists the following evals that they wish to do:

Psychological, speech and language, physical therapy and occupational therapy

evaluations>>>>>

did they list the specific tests that they are going to use for each area of

testing? And did they list why they chose or are using that test...what they're

looking for?

If they didn't list the specific test then check the box that says no info.

needed and send it back. they then have to either meet with you to give you the

info. you want or be more specific on their paperwork. Even when they give you

names oftests you might then want to run them by this list and get some opinions

from people who've maybe used them . For instance a phycological test given to

has to be one for the deaf/hearing impaired since she responds much better

to a visual based test then one given verbally.

Joy

April 1, 2005

In a message dated 3/31/2005 7:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

annshelley@... writes:

And what in the world do they need a psych test for as a kindergartener???

what in the world is that going to tell them when they are working on letter

and number recognition and such

The psych test is an IQ test. If you do not want an IQ score in her file

then do not have a psych evail done through the school!

As far as why they need to do another set of evails. in the first place,

your daughter will need to go through the Eligibility process every three years,

where they will need to do " updated " evails. to find out what services she

continues to need, or be eligible for. All kids in Spec. Ed. go through this

process, no matter the diagnosis.

Sandi -

Mom to Shelby (7w/DS), Stuart (3) and (2)

@ @ @ @ @

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April 1, 2005

In a message dated 3/31/2005 7:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

annshelley@... writes:

And what in the world do they need a psych test for as a kindergartener???

what in the world is that going to tell them when they are working on letter

and number recognition and such

The psych test is an IQ test. If you do not want an IQ score in her file

then do not have a psych evail done through the school!

As far as why they need to do another set of evails. in the first place,

your daughter will need to go through the Eligibility process every three years,

where they will need to do " updated " evails. to find out what services she

continues to need, or be eligible for. All kids in Spec. Ed. go through this

process, no matter the diagnosis.

Sandi -

Mom to Shelby (7w/DS), Stuart (3) and (2)

@ @ @ @ @

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April 1, 2005

In a message dated 4/1/2005 8:11:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sml524@... writes:

The psych test is an IQ test. If you do not want an IQ score in her file

then do not have a psych evail done through the school!

This is not true. Micah had a psychological evaluation done but they used

other testing. The only thing his tests showed were his developmental age

equivalent at the time NOT IQ scores. It is not the same thing. The testing

he

had done only showed where he is at right now, developmentally, which

changes. Not a fixed number that says he is only so " smart " forever. (which

I

happen to think is a joke and it has been proven not to be accurate at all for

children under 6, and does not take in other factors such as, is a child is

verbal, have trouble hearing, etc.) so there can be a psychological done

without an IQ.

Loree

April 1, 2005

In a message dated 4/1/2005 8:11:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

sml524@... writes:

The psych test is an IQ test. If you do not want an IQ score in her file

then do not have a psych evail done through the school!

This is not true. Micah had a psychological evaluation done but they used

other testing. The only thing his tests showed were his developmental age

equivalent at the time NOT IQ scores. It is not the same thing. The testing

he

had done only showed where he is at right now, developmentally, which

changes. Not a fixed number that says he is only so " smart " forever. (which

I

happen to think is a joke and it has been proven not to be accurate at all for

children under 6, and does not take in other factors such as, is a child is

verbal, have trouble hearing, etc.) so there can be a psychological done

without an IQ.

Loree

April 1, 2005

In a message dated 4/1/2005 11:55:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

gygls73@... writes:

I am like she has Down syndrome, what specific tests do you want to perform

and why can't you just take information from prior evaluations done. It is not

like she is cured of Down syndrome.

Under IDEA they have to explain, in writing, what tests they want to use in

" language easily understand by the parent. "

Hold out or a specific list of the assessments they want to use and and an

explaination of what those tests will test and how.

- Becky

April 1, 2005

In a message dated 4/1/2005 11:55:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

gygls73@... writes:

I am like she has Down syndrome, what specific tests do you want to perform

and why can't you just take information from prior evaluations done. It is not

like she is cured of Down syndrome.

Under IDEA they have to explain, in writing, what tests they want to use in

" language easily understand by the parent. "

Hold out or a specific list of the assessments they want to use and and an

explaination of what those tests will test and how.

- Becky

April 1, 2005

In a message dated 4/1/2005 4:07:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why all the paranoia about an IQ

score? was tested by the school psychologist way back when he started in

the

public school system and it never affected his inclusion in the regular ed

classroom.......still doesn't. No one has ever mentioned the numbers at any

meeting we've ever had.

In our case, once they got the results showing Nick at Moderately Mentally

Impaired based on the IQ test that was when we started hearing how he needed

(their words) to be at Barrackville (the school the board chose for all their

moderately and severely mentally impaired 4th-8th graders). My belief is had

he tested in the mildly mentally impaired range we would never have heard

the 'he needs to be at Barrackville' line until at least time for him to move to

junior high. His elementary school runs K-6.

Cari

April 1, 2005

In a message dated 4/1/2005 4:07:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why all the paranoia about an IQ

score? was tested by the school psychologist way back when he started in

the

public school system and it never affected his inclusion in the regular ed

classroom.......still doesn't. No one has ever mentioned the numbers at any

meeting we've ever had.

In our case, once they got the results showing Nick at Moderately Mentally

Impaired based on the IQ test that was when we started hearing how he needed

(their words) to be at Barrackville (the school the board chose for all their

moderately and severely mentally impaired 4th-8th graders). My belief is had

he tested in the mildly mentally impaired range we would never have heard

the 'he needs to be at Barrackville' line until at least time for him to move to

junior high. His elementary school runs K-6.

Cari

April 1, 2005

I wish I could give you the answers you are looking for. I think the psyche eval

is more for making sure she socializes at a K level. But then again I probably

am wrong. If hte director won't give you answers, perhaps that person's

supervisor will.

Nina

Ann-marie <annshelley@...> wrote:

Vickie is transistioning to Kindergarten in the fall and we have started the

ball rolling and had an initial meeting with the school indicating that we

decided to enroll Vickie in Kindergarten for the fall. The Norristown School

district wishes to evaluate her for Special Education. I am like she has Down

syndrome, what specific tests do you want to perform and why can't you just take

information from prior evaluations done. It is not like she is cured of Down

syndrome.

The Special Ed Director tells me that they do not have to accept evaluations

done outside of the school district. I told him that while I did not mind a

speech or gross and fine motor evals, I did not want a IQ test done. and that

before any testing was done, I wanted the names of the tests and what they were

specifically testing for.. I did not and still do not want a number attached to

my daughter... I also told him that I would not approve a segregated class at

least not right from the start in kindergarten... he kept telling me that this

was not the meeting to go into that

The form I go was a standard fill in the blank form that lists the following

evals that they wish to do:

Psychological, speech and language, physical therapy and occupational therapy

evaluations.

I guess I do not feel that he complied with what I asked... I am afraid that

they want to give her an IQ test that will support them in putting her into a

restrictive setting.... I guess I have put this off since the form just scared

me a little and I do not want to start off in a way deterimental to my daughters

education.... And what in the world do they need a psych test for as a

kindergartener??? what in the world is that going to tell them when they are

working on letter and number recongition and such... and how accurate can any

test be when she still has significant speech delays and how can I be assured

that the test they choose is appropriate for a child with speech and language

delays if they won't even tell me the name of the specific test....

Am I making to much of this?? Am I working myself up to early?? I just don't

want to make a mistake....

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