Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Listmates, I am looking for anyone who has had and is having success billing for low level laser therapy (Erchonia, Microlight 830, etc.). We were part of the original FDA laser test group, along with Ron Johansen and have held to a billing code for infrared 97026. However the reimbursement is usually a paultry $5, not really consistent with an attented hitech modality. We usually pass the rest of the cost on to the patient where the ins. contract allows it but this is still not right for such a useful modality. Recent options for the coding are in the 2005 ChiroCode and include 97039 'unlisted modality constant attendance' and S8948 Low-Level Laser, constant attendance (p113 ChiroCode book). The latter code is new since the FDA approval but none of the ins companies we are billing recognize it! So if all of us who use this TX start approaching the ins industry (all of them and all of us) we should get some response. I suggest we share experience on the listserve on this matter also. We are currently in talks with Pacific Source and Lifewise and they have been 'considering' the issue. Comments?? BTW we have had consistent and great results with the 830Nm laser on DJD of the knees! All those 60+ year olds with mild to advanced OA (especially of the knees) respond better to the laser than the carpal tunnel patients (for whom this modality was approved). Three to five minutes through the joint line of the affected knee is usually better that the synvisc injections. Not only is there short term relief, there is also some gradual functional improvement over the course of a 6 week TX program. Try it out and let us know what you find. Colwell, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 , I would highly recommend getting to one of Dr. Dan and Dr. Amy's seminars on cold laser. They teach protocols on neuromuscular reeducation utilizing laser and when used as a tool to do NMS reeducation you can bill 97712 (NMS reeducation). We have had good success being reimbursed for this code, provided the documentation supports its use. Dr. Coby L. Hanes 446 NW THIRD STREET SUITE # 200 PRINEVILLE OR 97754 voice: 541.447.7230 fax: 541.447.5775 dochanes@... Laser billings Listmates, I am looking for anyone who has had and is having success billing for low level laser therapy (Erchonia, Microlight 830, etc.). We were part of the original FDA laser test group, along with Ron Johansen and have held to a billing code for infrared 97026. However the reimbursement is usually a paultry $5, not really consistent with an attented hitech modality. We usually pass the rest of the cost on to the patient where the ins. contract allows it but this is still not right for such a useful modality. Recent options for the coding are in the 2005 ChiroCode and include 97039 'unlisted modality constant attendance' and S8948 Low-Level Laser, constant attendance (p113 ChiroCode book). The latter code is new since the FDA approval but none of the ins companies we are billing recognize it! So if all of us who use this TX start approaching the ins industry (all of them and all of us) we should get some response. I suggest we share experience on the listserve on this matter also. We are currently in talks with Pacific Source and Lifewise and they have been 'considering' the issue. Comments?? BTW we have had consistent and great results with the 830Nm laser on DJD of the knees! All those 60+ year olds with mild to advanced OA (especially of the knees) respond better to the laser than the carpal tunnel patients (for whom this modality was approved). Three to five minutes through the joint line of the affected knee is usually better that the synvisc injections. Not only is there short term relief, there is also some gradual functional improvement over the course of a 6 week TX program. Try it out and let us know what you find. Colwell, DCOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 , Sorry the code is 97112, not 97712! Dr. Coby L. Hanes 446 NW THIRD STREET SUITE # 200 PRINEVILLE OR 97754 voice: 541.447.7230 fax: 541.447.5775 dochanes@... Laser billings Listmates, I am looking for anyone who has had and is having success billing for low level laser therapy (Erchonia, Microlight 830, etc.). We were part of the original FDA laser test group, along with Ron Johansen and have held to a billing code for infrared 97026. However the reimbursement is usually a paultry $5, not really consistent with an attented hitech modality. We usually pass the rest of the cost on to the patient where the ins. contract allows it but this is still not right for such a useful modality. Recent options for the coding are in the 2005 ChiroCode and include 97039 'unlisted modality constant attendance' and S8948 Low-Level Laser, constant attendance (p113 ChiroCode book). The latter code is new since the FDA approval but none of the ins companies we are billing recognize it! So if all of us who use this TX start approaching the ins industry (all of them and all of us) we should get some response. I suggest we share experience on the listserve on this matter also. We are currently in talks with Pacific Source and Lifewise and they have been 'considering' the issue. Comments?? BTW we have had consistent and great results with the 830Nm laser on DJD of the knees! All those 60+ year olds with mild to advanced OA (especially of the knees) respond better to the laser than the carpal tunnel patients (for whom this modality was approved). Three to five minutes through the joint line of the affected knee is usually better that the synvisc injections. Not only is there short term relief, there is also some gradual functional improvement over the course of a 6 week TX program. Try it out and let us know what you find. Colwell, DCOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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