Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 In a message dated 3/17/2005 6:27:45 PM US Mountain Standard Time, drf218@... writes: holding his face to make him look at her. I think YOU need to write an incident on behalf of NICK for THAT! Of COURSE he's going to be defensive.. she was inside his circle. M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 In a message dated 3/17/2005 6:27:45 PM US Mountain Standard Time, drf218@... writes: holding his face to make him look at her. I think YOU need to write an incident on behalf of NICK for THAT! Of COURSE he's going to be defensive.. she was inside his circle. M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Hi DI, Ahhhh, the behavior thing. :-) btdt. Get a copy of whatever your state uses for prior written notice to have handy at your meeting. (I think there's one on the MN state page if you can't find one for your state) I'm assuming that they havn't had someone come in and do a behavior assessment yet? So request a behavior assessment at this meeting, -(they'll love ya, lol) Put it in writing if you want. :-) Then if they say they don't need to or can't blah blah blah have them put in writing, (prior written notice) that they are refusing and why (this is why they'll really love ya, hehehe...do I need to put the NOT!! here?) . You'll probably get your behavior assessment, and hopefully some good stratagies for dealing with the problems to help write up the BIP. The plus is the teacher will probably either finally shut up or if possible the person doing the assessment will see a confict between them and recommend a change to a different teacher. One thing about the way our kids are treated seems to be that some people just don't know when to back off. Is there something wrong with telling the child that it's fine, you can just sit there and when you're ready to do something you can do this worksheet (or whatever?) or have two things to do and let the kid decide which to do first? UGH!! It does sound like you really need to have someone who does address the behavior issues come in, and not sure or the experience others have had with a school provided person to do this but surprisingly our experience was very positive. But the guy who did the assessment for us basically just did this type of work, he was not the phycologist used for IQ tests and stuff but someone who worked with kids with these challenging behaviors (and teachers/staff who seemed to make these behaviors really come out) Good Luck Joy PS if you have already gone through alot of crap with this particular teacher I wouldn't worry to much about going above her head in the chain of command. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Hi DI, Ahhhh, the behavior thing. :-) btdt. Get a copy of whatever your state uses for prior written notice to have handy at your meeting. (I think there's one on the MN state page if you can't find one for your state) I'm assuming that they havn't had someone come in and do a behavior assessment yet? So request a behavior assessment at this meeting, -(they'll love ya, lol) Put it in writing if you want. :-) Then if they say they don't need to or can't blah blah blah have them put in writing, (prior written notice) that they are refusing and why (this is why they'll really love ya, hehehe...do I need to put the NOT!! here?) . You'll probably get your behavior assessment, and hopefully some good stratagies for dealing with the problems to help write up the BIP. The plus is the teacher will probably either finally shut up or if possible the person doing the assessment will see a confict between them and recommend a change to a different teacher. One thing about the way our kids are treated seems to be that some people just don't know when to back off. Is there something wrong with telling the child that it's fine, you can just sit there and when you're ready to do something you can do this worksheet (or whatever?) or have two things to do and let the kid decide which to do first? UGH!! It does sound like you really need to have someone who does address the behavior issues come in, and not sure or the experience others have had with a school provided person to do this but surprisingly our experience was very positive. But the guy who did the assessment for us basically just did this type of work, he was not the phycologist used for IQ tests and stuff but someone who worked with kids with these challenging behaviors (and teachers/staff who seemed to make these behaviors really come out) Good Luck Joy PS if you have already gone through alot of crap with this particular teacher I wouldn't worry to much about going above her head in the chain of command. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Di, I feel really bad for you and Nic. had some bad teachers in the past and if you did a archive search, you could probably find a post I wrote about the raspberry/spitting. I told her that for years ST included blowing bubbles, making raspberries, etc, and now they are calling that spitting! The bottom line is that was placed in a classroom with a teacher that was poorly equiped and lacked the initiative to learn how best to work with . The last two years have been great...knock on wood! 's IEP is on April 1st- I can scan the document that includes the FBA after that and email it to you. Doesn't Nic have a 1:1 to assist for personal hygiene? Behavior Plan HELP! > > Does anyone have an example of a behavior plan I can use to show the school's " BS " (and I use the term loosely). > We are having peoblems with Nic at school-only at school and only with one particular teacher. ly I think she is inflating things to make them sound much worse than they are. For instance, Nic does this " raspberry " thing when he dislikes something or is mad. She calls it spitting. yesteray she said Nic kicked her in the stomach and spit in her face. She mentioned at the last meeting about him " spitting " in her face and how grossed out she was and disgusting it was. I asked why she had her face so close to his as to have the spit hit her. So knowing that he does this, why oh why would you put yourself in his range again ??? > As for the kicking, she was kneeling in front of him, holding his face to make him look at her. I think he did kick but not at her but more like a " get out of my space " kinda thing. Am I making any sense? lately, it seems when someone is " in his space " he gets defensive? is that the right word? He told the OT to " go away " the other day and they classified that as a refusal to do work even though the report stated he was " doing his work " . > > Anyway, back to the BP. He doesn't have one. we have had 6 IEPs so far this year, mainly for behavior and the BS still hasn't addressed these other behaviors that she (teacher) constantly complains about. > > She wrote an incident report that was sent to the principal and cc to the SPEd director. It said if these behaviors continue we will have an IEP to address his " current program " . Meaning they want him out. They tried this 2 months ago, collected behavior data for a month and concluded that his behavior has actually improved. I know she doesn't want to deal with him and is now nit-picking everything he does or maybe even provoking him. > > When ever there's a sub, he has a good day. She was out all last week I got not one bad report about him. > > When our private BS goes in to observe she said the room is like a morgue. Very dull and she teaches like a robot, Not creative at all. > > I'm going in on the 22nd to observe myself. > > Someone please help. I have tried to be civil and maintain control but now I'm ready to FLIP! > > Di > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Di, I feel really bad for you and Nic. had some bad teachers in the past and if you did a archive search, you could probably find a post I wrote about the raspberry/spitting. I told her that for years ST included blowing bubbles, making raspberries, etc, and now they are calling that spitting! The bottom line is that was placed in a classroom with a teacher that was poorly equiped and lacked the initiative to learn how best to work with . The last two years have been great...knock on wood! 's IEP is on April 1st- I can scan the document that includes the FBA after that and email it to you. Doesn't Nic have a 1:1 to assist for personal hygiene? Behavior Plan HELP! > > Does anyone have an example of a behavior plan I can use to show the school's " BS " (and I use the term loosely). > We are having peoblems with Nic at school-only at school and only with one particular teacher. ly I think she is inflating things to make them sound much worse than they are. For instance, Nic does this " raspberry " thing when he dislikes something or is mad. She calls it spitting. yesteray she said Nic kicked her in the stomach and spit in her face. She mentioned at the last meeting about him " spitting " in her face and how grossed out she was and disgusting it was. I asked why she had her face so close to his as to have the spit hit her. So knowing that he does this, why oh why would you put yourself in his range again ??? > As for the kicking, she was kneeling in front of him, holding his face to make him look at her. I think he did kick but not at her but more like a " get out of my space " kinda thing. Am I making any sense? lately, it seems when someone is " in his space " he gets defensive? is that the right word? He told the OT to " go away " the other day and they classified that as a refusal to do work even though the report stated he was " doing his work " . > > Anyway, back to the BP. He doesn't have one. we have had 6 IEPs so far this year, mainly for behavior and the BS still hasn't addressed these other behaviors that she (teacher) constantly complains about. > > She wrote an incident report that was sent to the principal and cc to the SPEd director. It said if these behaviors continue we will have an IEP to address his " current program " . Meaning they want him out. They tried this 2 months ago, collected behavior data for a month and concluded that his behavior has actually improved. I know she doesn't want to deal with him and is now nit-picking everything he does or maybe even provoking him. > > When ever there's a sub, he has a good day. She was out all last week I got not one bad report about him. > > When our private BS goes in to observe she said the room is like a morgue. Very dull and she teaches like a robot, Not creative at all. > > I'm going in on the 22nd to observe myself. > > Someone please help. I have tried to be civil and maintain control but now I'm ready to FLIP! > > Di > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 > As for the kicking, she was kneeling in front of him, holding his face to make him look at her. I think he did kick but not at her but more like a " get out of my space " kinda thing. Am I making any sense? lately, it seems when someone is " in his space " he gets defensive? is that the right word? He told the OT to " go away " the other day and they classified that as a refusal to do work even though the report stated he was " doing his work " . Most definately he is protecting his space. As far as saying going away, I would point out that he is verbalizing what he needs (space) and they should be happy he didn't get to the point of being so frustrated that he physically responds. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/17/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 > As for the kicking, she was kneeling in front of him, holding his face to make him look at her. I think he did kick but not at her but more like a " get out of my space " kinda thing. Am I making any sense? lately, it seems when someone is " in his space " he gets defensive? is that the right word? He told the OT to " go away " the other day and they classified that as a refusal to do work even though the report stated he was " doing his work " . Most definately he is protecting his space. As far as saying going away, I would point out that he is verbalizing what he needs (space) and they should be happy he didn't get to the point of being so frustrated that he physically responds. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/17/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 That's just the thing...He's had a BA done and the BS comes in and observes weekly or bi-weekly.....He's useless! He made up 1 goal (not a plan just a goal) that deals with time on task. Originally his TOT was 50 % but he exceed that every time in the first quarter . They upped it to 60% and he has been getting 80-89% so he's exceeding that too. the other behaviors are not being addressed and we discussed this at our last IEP-still nothing is being done to help him, just keep putting in his file every single little thing he does. Di RE: Behavior Plan HELP! Hi DI, Ahhhh, the behavior thing. :-) btdt. Get a copy of whatever your state uses for prior written notice to have handy at your meeting. (I think there's one on the MN state page if you can't find one for your state) I'm assuming that they havn't had someone come in and do a behavior assessment yet? So request a behavior assessment at this meeting, -(they'll love ya, lol) Put it in writing if you want. :-) Then if they say they don't need to or can't blah blah blah have them put in writing, (prior written notice) that they are refusing and why (this is why they'll really love ya, hehehe...do I need to put the NOT!! here?) . You'll probably get your behavior assessment, and hopefully some good stratagies for dealing with the problems to help write up the BIP. The plus is the teacher will probably either finally shut up or if possible the person doing the assessment will see a confict between them and recommend a change to a different teacher. One thing about the way our kids are treated seems to be that some people just don't know when to back off. Is there something wrong with telling the child that it's fine, you can just sit there and when you're ready to do something you can do this worksheet (or whatever?) or have two things to do and let the kid decide which to do first? UGH!! It does sound like you really need to have someone who does address the behavior issues come in, and not sure or the experience others have had with a school provided person to do this but surprisingly our experience was very positive. But the guy who did the assessment for us basically just did this type of work, he was not the phycologist used for IQ tests and stuff but someone who worked with kids with these challenging behaviors (and teachers/staff who seemed to make these behaviors really come out) Good Luck Joy PS if you have already gone through alot of crap with this particular teacher I wouldn't worry to much about going above her head in the chain of command. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 That's just the thing...He's had a BA done and the BS comes in and observes weekly or bi-weekly.....He's useless! He made up 1 goal (not a plan just a goal) that deals with time on task. Originally his TOT was 50 % but he exceed that every time in the first quarter . They upped it to 60% and he has been getting 80-89% so he's exceeding that too. the other behaviors are not being addressed and we discussed this at our last IEP-still nothing is being done to help him, just keep putting in his file every single little thing he does. Di RE: Behavior Plan HELP! Hi DI, Ahhhh, the behavior thing. :-) btdt. Get a copy of whatever your state uses for prior written notice to have handy at your meeting. (I think there's one on the MN state page if you can't find one for your state) I'm assuming that they havn't had someone come in and do a behavior assessment yet? So request a behavior assessment at this meeting, -(they'll love ya, lol) Put it in writing if you want. :-) Then if they say they don't need to or can't blah blah blah have them put in writing, (prior written notice) that they are refusing and why (this is why they'll really love ya, hehehe...do I need to put the NOT!! here?) . You'll probably get your behavior assessment, and hopefully some good stratagies for dealing with the problems to help write up the BIP. The plus is the teacher will probably either finally shut up or if possible the person doing the assessment will see a confict between them and recommend a change to a different teacher. One thing about the way our kids are treated seems to be that some people just don't know when to back off. Is there something wrong with telling the child that it's fine, you can just sit there and when you're ready to do something you can do this worksheet (or whatever?) or have two things to do and let the kid decide which to do first? UGH!! It does sound like you really need to have someone who does address the behavior issues come in, and not sure or the experience others have had with a school provided person to do this but surprisingly our experience was very positive. But the guy who did the assessment for us basically just did this type of work, he was not the phycologist used for IQ tests and stuff but someone who worked with kids with these challenging behaviors (and teachers/staff who seemed to make these behaviors really come out) Good Luck Joy PS if you have already gone through alot of crap with this particular teacher I wouldn't worry to much about going above her head in the chain of command. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 thanks but what should I do in the meantime? Should I call a meeting with the principal? Write a letter? I want this addressed before they gather so much neg data that it's too hard to get out from. Oh, yes he has a 1:1-have no idea where she was during the bathroom incident. His " escaping " was discussed and we made it very clear he is to be watched closely. He could have left the building in 4 minutes! Di Behavior Plan HELP! > > > > > > Does anyone have an example of a behavior plan I can use to show the > school's " BS " (and I use the term loosely). > > We are having peoblems with Nic at school-only at school and only with one > particular teacher. ly I think she is inflating things to make them > sound much worse than they are. For instance, Nic does this " raspberry " > thing when he dislikes something or is mad. She calls it spitting. yesteray > she said Nic kicked her in the stomach and spit in her face. She mentioned > at the last meeting about him " spitting " in her face and how grossed out she > was and disgusting it was. I asked why she had her face so close to his as > to have the spit hit her. So knowing that he does this, why oh why would you > put yourself in his range again ??? > > As for the kicking, she was kneeling in front of him, holding his face to > make him look at her. I think he did kick but not at her but more like a > " get out of my space " kinda thing. Am I making any sense? lately, it seems > when someone is " in his space " he gets defensive? is that the right word? > He told the OT to " go away " the other day and they classified that as a > refusal to do work even though the report stated he was " doing his work " . > > > > Anyway, back to the BP. He doesn't have one. we have had 6 IEPs so far > this year, mainly for behavior and the BS still hasn't addressed these other > behaviors that she (teacher) constantly complains about. > > > > She wrote an incident report that was sent to the principal and cc to the > SPEd director. It said if these behaviors continue we will have an IEP to > address his " current program " . Meaning they want him out. They tried this 2 > months ago, collected behavior data for a month and concluded that his > behavior has actually improved. I know she doesn't want to deal with him and > is now nit-picking everything he does or maybe even provoking him. > > > > When ever there's a sub, he has a good day. She was out all last week I > got not one bad report about him. > > > > When our private BS goes in to observe she said the room is like a morgue. > Very dull and she teaches like a robot, Not creative at all. > > > > I'm going in on the 22nd to observe myself. > > > > Someone please help. I have tried to be civil and maintain control but now > I'm ready to FLIP! > > > > Di > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 thanks but what should I do in the meantime? Should I call a meeting with the principal? Write a letter? I want this addressed before they gather so much neg data that it's too hard to get out from. Oh, yes he has a 1:1-have no idea where she was during the bathroom incident. His " escaping " was discussed and we made it very clear he is to be watched closely. He could have left the building in 4 minutes! Di Behavior Plan HELP! > > > > > > Does anyone have an example of a behavior plan I can use to show the > school's " BS " (and I use the term loosely). > > We are having peoblems with Nic at school-only at school and only with one > particular teacher. ly I think she is inflating things to make them > sound much worse than they are. For instance, Nic does this " raspberry " > thing when he dislikes something or is mad. She calls it spitting. yesteray > she said Nic kicked her in the stomach and spit in her face. She mentioned > at the last meeting about him " spitting " in her face and how grossed out she > was and disgusting it was. I asked why she had her face so close to his as > to have the spit hit her. So knowing that he does this, why oh why would you > put yourself in his range again ??? > > As for the kicking, she was kneeling in front of him, holding his face to > make him look at her. I think he did kick but not at her but more like a > " get out of my space " kinda thing. Am I making any sense? lately, it seems > when someone is " in his space " he gets defensive? is that the right word? > He told the OT to " go away " the other day and they classified that as a > refusal to do work even though the report stated he was " doing his work " . > > > > Anyway, back to the BP. He doesn't have one. we have had 6 IEPs so far > this year, mainly for behavior and the BS still hasn't addressed these other > behaviors that she (teacher) constantly complains about. > > > > She wrote an incident report that was sent to the principal and cc to the > SPEd director. It said if these behaviors continue we will have an IEP to > address his " current program " . Meaning they want him out. They tried this 2 > months ago, collected behavior data for a month and concluded that his > behavior has actually improved. I know she doesn't want to deal with him and > is now nit-picking everything he does or maybe even provoking him. > > > > When ever there's a sub, he has a good day. She was out all last week I > got not one bad report about him. > > > > When our private BS goes in to observe she said the room is like a morgue. > Very dull and she teaches like a robot, Not creative at all. > > > > I'm going in on the 22nd to observe myself. > > > > Someone please help. I have tried to be civil and maintain control but now > I'm ready to FLIP! > > > > Di > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I was wondering the same thing was, why was she holding his face? She can't do that, can she? That sounded to me like a teacher ready to blow her cork, but then I thought I may be interpretting it wrong. After I saw 's post, now I realize my gut feeling may be correct. I feel bad about your situation, Di.. Jackie --------- Behavior Plan HELP! > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have an example of a behavior plan I can use to show the > > school's " BS " (and I use the term loosely). > > > We are having peoblems with Nic at school-only at school and only with > one > > particular teacher. ly I think she is inflating things to make them > > sound much worse than they are. For instance, Nic does this " raspberry " > > thing when he dislikes something or is mad. She calls it spitting. > yesteray > > she said Nic kicked her in the stomach and spit in her face. She mentioned > > at the last meeting about him " spitting " in her face and how grossed out > she > > was and disgusting it was. I asked why she had her face so close to his as > > to have the spit hit her. So knowing that he does this, why oh why would > you > > put yourself in his range again ??? > > > As for the kicking, she was kneeling in front of him, holding his face > to > > make him look at her. I think he did kick but not at her but more like a > > " get out of my space " kinda thing. Am I making any sense? lately, it seems > > when someone is " in his space " he gets defensive? is that the right word? > > He told the OT to " go away " the other day and they classified that as a > > refusal to do work even though the report stated he was " doing his work " . > > > > > > Anyway, back to the BP. He doesn't have one. we have had 6 IEPs so far > > this year, mainly for behavior and the BS still hasn't addressed these > other > > behaviors that she (teacher) constantly complains about. > > > > > > She wrote an incident report that was sent to the principal and cc to > the > > SPEd director. It said if these behaviors continue we will have an IEP to > > address his " current program " . Meaning they want him out. They tried this > 2 > > months ago, collected behavior data for a month and concluded that his > > behavior has actually improved. I know she doesn't want to deal with him > and > > is now nit-picking everything he does or maybe even provoking him. > > > > > > When ever there's a sub, he has a good day. She was out all last week I > > got not one bad report about him. > > > > > > When our private BS goes in to observe she said the room is like a > morgue. > > Very dull and she teaches like a robot, Not creative at all. > > > > > > I'm going in on the 22nd to observe myself. > > > > > > Someone please help. I have tried to be civil and maintain control but > now > > I'm ready to FLIP! > > > > > > Di > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 I was wondering the same thing was, why was she holding his face? She can't do that, can she? That sounded to me like a teacher ready to blow her cork, but then I thought I may be interpretting it wrong. After I saw 's post, now I realize my gut feeling may be correct. I feel bad about your situation, Di.. Jackie --------- Behavior Plan HELP! > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have an example of a behavior plan I can use to show the > > school's " BS " (and I use the term loosely). > > > We are having peoblems with Nic at school-only at school and only with > one > > particular teacher. ly I think she is inflating things to make them > > sound much worse than they are. For instance, Nic does this " raspberry " > > thing when he dislikes something or is mad. She calls it spitting. > yesteray > > she said Nic kicked her in the stomach and spit in her face. She mentioned > > at the last meeting about him " spitting " in her face and how grossed out > she > > was and disgusting it was. I asked why she had her face so close to his as > > to have the spit hit her. So knowing that he does this, why oh why would > you > > put yourself in his range again ??? > > > As for the kicking, she was kneeling in front of him, holding his face > to > > make him look at her. I think he did kick but not at her but more like a > > " get out of my space " kinda thing. Am I making any sense? lately, it seems > > when someone is " in his space " he gets defensive? is that the right word? > > He told the OT to " go away " the other day and they classified that as a > > refusal to do work even though the report stated he was " doing his work " . > > > > > > Anyway, back to the BP. He doesn't have one. we have had 6 IEPs so far > > this year, mainly for behavior and the BS still hasn't addressed these > other > > behaviors that she (teacher) constantly complains about. > > > > > > She wrote an incident report that was sent to the principal and cc to > the > > SPEd director. It said if these behaviors continue we will have an IEP to > > address his " current program " . Meaning they want him out. They tried this > 2 > > months ago, collected behavior data for a month and concluded that his > > behavior has actually improved. I know she doesn't want to deal with him > and > > is now nit-picking everything he does or maybe even provoking him. > > > > > > When ever there's a sub, he has a good day. She was out all last week I > > got not one bad report about him. > > > > > > When our private BS goes in to observe she said the room is like a > morgue. > > Very dull and she teaches like a robot, Not creative at all. > > > > > > I'm going in on the 22nd to observe myself. > > > > > > Someone please help. I have tried to be civil and maintain control but > now > > I'm ready to FLIP! > > > > > > Di > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Di, I sent the draft back to school - otherwise, I'd send that to you. 's teacher has offered to join this group. I'm worried how that would work here. I personally do not have a problem with her being on this list - but there is so many emotions this time of year with IEP's and teachers that I want her to feel welcome. She is very clinical, well connected with MR services on the state level and has been a strong advocate for and very supportive to Tim and I. I went back and read some of my old posts from 's years at his old school. I was so frustrated at the time. The school had a " visiting teacher - a/k/a behaviorist who was useless). I think many people must have prayed for us, because things have been getting better in time (thanks Kathy - I know you do!). RE: Behavior Plan HELP! > > > Hi DI, > Ahhhh, the behavior thing. :-) btdt. > > Get a copy of whatever your state uses for prior written notice to have handy at your meeting. (I think there's one on the MN state page if you can't find one for your state) > > I'm assuming that they havn't had someone come in and do a behavior assessment yet? So request a behavior assessment at this meeting, -(they'll love ya, lol) Put it in writing if you want. :-) Then if they say they don't need to or can't blah blah blah have them put in writing, (prior written notice) that they are refusing and why (this is why they'll really love ya, hehehe...do I need to put the NOT!! here?) . > > You'll probably get your behavior assessment, and hopefully some good stratagies for dealing with the problems to help write up the BIP. The plus is the teacher will probably either finally shut up or if possible the person doing the assessment will see a confict between them and recommend a change to a different teacher. One thing about the way our kids are treated seems to be that some people just don't know when to back off. Is there something wrong with telling the child that it's fine, you can just sit there and when you're ready to do something you can do this worksheet (or whatever?) or have two things to do and let the kid decide which to do first? UGH!! > > It does sound like you really need to have someone who does address the behavior issues come in, and not sure or the experience others have had with a school provided person to do this but surprisingly our experience was very positive. But the guy who did the assessment for us basically just did this type of work, he was not the phycologist used for IQ tests and stuff but someone who worked with kids with these challenging behaviors (and teachers/staff who seemed to make these behaviors really come out) > > Good Luck > Joy > PS if you have already gone through alot of crap with this particular teacher I wouldn't worry to much about going above her head in the chain of command. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 Di, I sent the draft back to school - otherwise, I'd send that to you. 's teacher has offered to join this group. I'm worried how that would work here. I personally do not have a problem with her being on this list - but there is so many emotions this time of year with IEP's and teachers that I want her to feel welcome. She is very clinical, well connected with MR services on the state level and has been a strong advocate for and very supportive to Tim and I. I went back and read some of my old posts from 's years at his old school. I was so frustrated at the time. The school had a " visiting teacher - a/k/a behaviorist who was useless). I think many people must have prayed for us, because things have been getting better in time (thanks Kathy - I know you do!). RE: Behavior Plan HELP! > > > Hi DI, > Ahhhh, the behavior thing. :-) btdt. > > Get a copy of whatever your state uses for prior written notice to have handy at your meeting. (I think there's one on the MN state page if you can't find one for your state) > > I'm assuming that they havn't had someone come in and do a behavior assessment yet? So request a behavior assessment at this meeting, -(they'll love ya, lol) Put it in writing if you want. :-) Then if they say they don't need to or can't blah blah blah have them put in writing, (prior written notice) that they are refusing and why (this is why they'll really love ya, hehehe...do I need to put the NOT!! here?) . > > You'll probably get your behavior assessment, and hopefully some good stratagies for dealing with the problems to help write up the BIP. The plus is the teacher will probably either finally shut up or if possible the person doing the assessment will see a confict between them and recommend a change to a different teacher. One thing about the way our kids are treated seems to be that some people just don't know when to back off. Is there something wrong with telling the child that it's fine, you can just sit there and when you're ready to do something you can do this worksheet (or whatever?) or have two things to do and let the kid decide which to do first? UGH!! > > It does sound like you really need to have someone who does address the behavior issues come in, and not sure or the experience others have had with a school provided person to do this but surprisingly our experience was very positive. But the guy who did the assessment for us basically just did this type of work, he was not the phycologist used for IQ tests and stuff but someone who worked with kids with these challenging behaviors (and teachers/staff who seemed to make these behaviors really come out) > > Good Luck > Joy > PS if you have already gone through alot of crap with this particular teacher I wouldn't worry to much about going above her head in the chain of command. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Di, Although I have no idea of your school system - one thing I would be doing is trying to figure out what he is 'saying' with these behaviours. Is it his way of saying hey leave me alone I can do these things the same as my peers. For sure they still have to keep an eye on him, but in a manner that he thinks he is independent - maybe this teacher is just stifling him too much for his liking. All the best, wish I could offer a bit more support. Jan, mother of Trent 20yo w/Ds from the Land Downunder - after saying goodbye to her second child to the call of the overseas job market on Thursday, is now busily cleaning the house and changing things around - one extremely clean pretty bedroom never to be taken over again by one daughter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Di, Although I have no idea of your school system - one thing I would be doing is trying to figure out what he is 'saying' with these behaviours. Is it his way of saying hey leave me alone I can do these things the same as my peers. For sure they still have to keep an eye on him, but in a manner that he thinks he is independent - maybe this teacher is just stifling him too much for his liking. All the best, wish I could offer a bit more support. Jan, mother of Trent 20yo w/Ds from the Land Downunder - after saying goodbye to her second child to the call of the overseas job market on Thursday, is now busily cleaning the house and changing things around - one extremely clean pretty bedroom never to be taken over again by one daughter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 > > > Does anyone have an example of a behavior plan I can use to show > the school's " BS " (and I use the term loosely). Hi Di - if you look in the " Files " section of the list of options (on the left side of the page when you get into the homepage) - the very first file listed is titles " BMP2000 " . It is a copy of my son's behavior plan. Jimmy (almost 14, DS, autism, ADHD) has had this plan in place since the end of first grade (he is now in 7th!). It works really, really well, and was developed by a competent behavior specialist. The key is that it is a POSITIVE behavior plan. Of course, they would need to do one for Nic specifically (you can't just plop Jimmy's into place) because the key to a good behavior plan is determining what the function of the behavior is.... Interestingly enough, the spitting (which was the same sort of blowing raspberries) was the straw that broke the camel's back for our school, too. You have to admit that it isn't pleasant to get spit on your face.......and that blowing raspberries at the teacher is an inappropriate activity. We actually dealt with this one before the behavior plan was in place - and we used an approach that many parents on this list disagreed with. LOL - you can find it by searching the archives - look under " spitting " and " soap " . Sometimes the old fashioned methods work best! In our case, it was a " do or die " situation - the spitting had to stop or else he was going to lose his placement of being fully included at his neighborhood school. Trust me, the " blowing raspberries " this will only get worse - especially if Nic learns that it does the job when he wants to avoid work or get attention. I have to run right now, but I'd be happy to talk about this further, either on-list or off. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 > > > Does anyone have an example of a behavior plan I can use to show > the school's " BS " (and I use the term loosely). Hi Di - if you look in the " Files " section of the list of options (on the left side of the page when you get into the homepage) - the very first file listed is titles " BMP2000 " . It is a copy of my son's behavior plan. Jimmy (almost 14, DS, autism, ADHD) has had this plan in place since the end of first grade (he is now in 7th!). It works really, really well, and was developed by a competent behavior specialist. The key is that it is a POSITIVE behavior plan. Of course, they would need to do one for Nic specifically (you can't just plop Jimmy's into place) because the key to a good behavior plan is determining what the function of the behavior is.... Interestingly enough, the spitting (which was the same sort of blowing raspberries) was the straw that broke the camel's back for our school, too. You have to admit that it isn't pleasant to get spit on your face.......and that blowing raspberries at the teacher is an inappropriate activity. We actually dealt with this one before the behavior plan was in place - and we used an approach that many parents on this list disagreed with. LOL - you can find it by searching the archives - look under " spitting " and " soap " . Sometimes the old fashioned methods work best! In our case, it was a " do or die " situation - the spitting had to stop or else he was going to lose his placement of being fully included at his neighborhood school. Trust me, the " blowing raspberries " this will only get worse - especially if Nic learns that it does the job when he wants to avoid work or get attention. I have to run right now, but I'd be happy to talk about this further, either on-list or off. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 In a message dated 3/20/2005 1:05:26 PM US Mountain Standard Time, drf218@... writes: it did state he had sensory issues. One in particular, he doesn't like his head touched! That sounds like Maverick. You need to have this addressed in the IEP. M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 In a message dated 3/20/2005 1:05:26 PM US Mountain Standard Time, drf218@... writes: it did state he had sensory issues. One in particular, he doesn't like his head touched! That sounds like Maverick. You need to have this addressed in the IEP. M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Nic had a sensory assessment done recently and it did state he had sensory issues. One in particular, he doesn't like his head touched! Everyone knows about it too! Di Behavior Plan HELP! > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have an example of a behavior plan I can use to show the > > school's " BS " (and I use the term loosely). > > > We are having peoblems with Nic at school-only at school and only with > one > > particular teacher. ly I think she is inflating things to make them > > sound much worse than they are. For instance, Nic does this " raspberry " > > thing when he dislikes something or is mad. She calls it spitting. > yesteray > > she said Nic kicked her in the stomach and spit in her face. She mentioned > > at the last meeting about him " spitting " in her face and how grossed out > she > > was and disgusting it was. I asked why she had her face so close to his as > > to have the spit hit her. So knowing that he does this, why oh why would > you > > put yourself in his range again ??? > > > As for the kicking, she was kneeling in front of him, holding his face > to > > make him look at her. I think he did kick but not at her but more like a > > " get out of my space " kinda thing. Am I making any sense? lately, it seems > > when someone is " in his space " he gets defensive? is that the right word? > > He told the OT to " go away " the other day and they classified that as a > > refusal to do work even though the report stated he was " doing his work " . > > > > > > Anyway, back to the BP. He doesn't have one. we have had 6 IEPs so far > > this year, mainly for behavior and the BS still hasn't addressed these > other > > behaviors that she (teacher) constantly complains about. > > > > > > She wrote an incident report that was sent to the principal and cc to > the > > SPEd director. It said if these behaviors continue we will have an IEP to > > address his " current program " . Meaning they want him out. They tried this > 2 > > months ago, collected behavior data for a month and concluded that his > > behavior has actually improved. I know she doesn't want to deal with him > and > > is now nit-picking everything he does or maybe even provoking him. > > > > > > When ever there's a sub, he has a good day. She was out all last week I > > got not one bad report about him. > > > > > > When our private BS goes in to observe she said the room is like a > morgue. > > Very dull and she teaches like a robot, Not creative at all. > > > > > > I'm going in on the 22nd to observe myself. > > > > > > Someone please help. I have tried to be civil and maintain control but > now > > I'm ready to FLIP! > > > > > > Di > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Nic had a sensory assessment done recently and it did state he had sensory issues. One in particular, he doesn't like his head touched! Everyone knows about it too! Di Behavior Plan HELP! > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have an example of a behavior plan I can use to show the > > school's " BS " (and I use the term loosely). > > > We are having peoblems with Nic at school-only at school and only with > one > > particular teacher. ly I think she is inflating things to make them > > sound much worse than they are. For instance, Nic does this " raspberry " > > thing when he dislikes something or is mad. She calls it spitting. > yesteray > > she said Nic kicked her in the stomach and spit in her face. She mentioned > > at the last meeting about him " spitting " in her face and how grossed out > she > > was and disgusting it was. I asked why she had her face so close to his as > > to have the spit hit her. So knowing that he does this, why oh why would > you > > put yourself in his range again ??? > > > As for the kicking, she was kneeling in front of him, holding his face > to > > make him look at her. I think he did kick but not at her but more like a > > " get out of my space " kinda thing. Am I making any sense? lately, it seems > > when someone is " in his space " he gets defensive? is that the right word? > > He told the OT to " go away " the other day and they classified that as a > > refusal to do work even though the report stated he was " doing his work " . > > > > > > Anyway, back to the BP. He doesn't have one. we have had 6 IEPs so far > > this year, mainly for behavior and the BS still hasn't addressed these > other > > behaviors that she (teacher) constantly complains about. > > > > > > She wrote an incident report that was sent to the principal and cc to > the > > SPEd director. It said if these behaviors continue we will have an IEP to > > address his " current program " . Meaning they want him out. They tried this > 2 > > months ago, collected behavior data for a month and concluded that his > > behavior has actually improved. I know she doesn't want to deal with him > and > > is now nit-picking everything he does or maybe even provoking him. > > > > > > When ever there's a sub, he has a good day. She was out all last week I > > got not one bad report about him. > > > > > > When our private BS goes in to observe she said the room is like a > morgue. > > Very dull and she teaches like a robot, Not creative at all. > > > > > > I'm going in on the 22nd to observe myself. > > > > > > Someone please help. I have tried to be civil and maintain control but > now > > I'm ready to FLIP! > > > > > > Di > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 I've called and email the principal requesting a private meeting. I plan to show him the sensory assessment, IEP (where it states Nic " escapes " and needs constant supervision), ask why the teacher is entering the stall when Nic is in there sitting on the toilet and how can she determine if he's done going or not, all of his work papers that come home virtually mistake free and not 1 sticker or happy face or anything positive, His communication book with basically nothing written unless it's negative, I'll explain once again about the raspberries not really being " spitting " just his way of communicating his displeasure or anger,and state that the teacher should know better than to get so close as to get spit on her face, the fact that, now, when he does a raspberry, they put him in time out! He'll be there all day! directed me to her son's Behavior Plan and surprisingly, they have allot of the same " issues " so I'm drafting my OWN BP and will present that to him also. Hinting that the school BS should have done this long ago. Di RE: Behavior Plan HELP! > > > Hi DI, > Ahhhh, the behavior thing. :-) btdt. > > Get a copy of whatever your state uses for prior written notice to have handy at your meeting. (I think there's one on the MN state page if you can't find one for your state) > > I'm assuming that they havn't had someone come in and do a behavior assessment yet? So request a behavior assessment at this meeting, -(they'll love ya, lol) Put it in writing if you want. :-) Then if they say they don't need to or can't blah blah blah have them put in writing, (prior written notice) that they are refusing and why (this is why they'll really love ya, hehehe...do I need to put the NOT!! here?) . > > You'll probably get your behavior assessment, and hopefully some good stratagies for dealing with the problems to help write up the BIP. The plus is the teacher will probably either finally shut up or if possible the person doing the assessment will see a confict between them and recommend a change to a different teacher. One thing about the way our kids are treated seems to be that some people just don't know when to back off. Is there something wrong with telling the child that it's fine, you can just sit there and when you're ready to do something you can do this worksheet (or whatever?) or have two things to do and let the kid decide which to do first? UGH!! > > It does sound like you really need to have someone who does address the behavior issues come in, and not sure or the experience others have had with a school provided person to do this but surprisingly our experience was very positive. But the guy who did the assessment for us basically just did this type of work, he was not the phycologist used for IQ tests and stuff but someone who worked with kids with these challenging behaviors (and teachers/staff who seemed to make these behaviors really come out) > > Good Luck > Joy > PS if you have already gone through alot of crap with this particular teacher I wouldn't worry to much about going above her head in the chain of command. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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