Re: I vote NO Men! Sorry...=Serenity

[Guest guest]

Serenity I can't speak for all the men, but I personally don't mean

any harm, there are many women in the clubs meant only for men and I

believe they're accepted. I'm not here to cause problems, it's just

that most of the questions I have are answered much quicker here,

that's why I read the board. I normally just read and try not to post

so that I won't disrupt things, but I had to respond to this thread.

L.H.

>

> > Serenity;

> >

> > The reason why some men like to come here and get the info is

because they

> > want a straight forward answer that they may not get on some of

the other

> > boards that are more men or bodybuilder oriented

> > vs a board like this one who discusses all aspects of the

program. Such as

> > food, how people around us react to our fitness habits, and the

detailed

> > explanations of how to do an exercise, etc... also some just

like to come

> > here to get the great recipes that are posted here more often

than on some

> > of the other boards. And then there are some that have

girlfriends or wives

> > that are needing help but are afraid to post themselves so their

guys will

> > post for them.

> >

> > Joann

>

> Perhaps the list name should be changed then? I'm sure that

there are some

> people who join this list specifically to feel safe among women..

and, if men

> are a part of the list, then they could feel misled. Or so I

believe But,

> like I said, I'll talk to anyone

> Serenity

[Guest guest]

Your being here poses no problem for me.

Rita

Re: I vote NO Men! Sorry...=Serenity

Serenity I can't speak for all the men, but I personally don't mean

any harm, there are many women in the clubs meant only for men and I

believe they're accepted. I'm not here to cause problems, it's just

that most of the questions I have are answered much quicker here,

that's why I read the board. I normally just read and try not to post

so that I won't disrupt things, but I had to respond to this thread.

L.H.

>

> > Serenity;

> >

> > The reason why some men like to come here and get the info is

because they

> > want a straight forward answer that they may not get on some of

the other

> > boards that are more men or bodybuilder oriented

> > vs a board like this one who discusses all aspects of the

program. Such as

> > food, how people around us react to our fitness habits, and the

detailed

> > explanations of how to do an exercise, etc... also some just

like to come

> > here to get the great recipes that are posted here more often

than on some

> > of the other boards. And then there are some that have

girlfriends or wives

> > that are needing help but are afraid to post themselves so their

guys will

> > post for them.

> >

> > Joann

>

> Perhaps the list name should be changed then? I'm sure that

there are some

> people who join this list specifically to feel safe among women..

and, if men

> are a part of the list, then they could feel misled. Or so I

believe But,

> like I said, I'll talk to anyone

> Serenity

[Guest guest]

I think Serenity raises a very good point. Many of us come here

because a club filled with liked minded women has a safer feel to it.

I also vote NO men. Maybe an alternative club can be created. Thanks

for posting your thoughts Serenity. No hard feelings L.H.

> >

> > > Serenity;

> > >

> > > The reason why some men like to come here and get the info is

> because they

> > > want a straight forward answer that they may not get on some of

> the other

> > > boards that are more men or bodybuilder oriented

> > > vs a board like this one who discusses all aspects of the

> program. Such as

> > > food, how people around us react to our fitness habits, and the

> detailed

> > > explanations of how to do an exercise, etc... also some just

> like to come

> > > here to get the great recipes that are posted here more often

> than on some

> > > of the other boards. And then there are some that have

> girlfriends or wives

> > > that are needing help but are afraid to post themselves so

their

> guys will

> > > post for them.

> > >

> > > Joann

> >

> > Perhaps the list name should be changed then? I'm sure that

> there are some

> > people who join this list specifically to feel safe among women..

> and, if men

> > are a part of the list, then they could feel misled. Or so I

> believe But,

> > like I said, I'll talk to anyone

> > Serenity

[Guest guest]

me neither

Re: I vote NO Men! Sorry...=Serenity

Serenity I can't speak for all the men, but I personally don't mean

any harm, there are many women in the clubs meant only for men and I

believe they're accepted. I'm not here to cause problems, it's just

that most of the questions I have are answered much quicker here,

that's why I read the board. I normally just read and try not to post

so that I won't disrupt things, but I had to respond to this thread.

L.H.

>

> > Serenity;

> >

> > The reason why some men like to come here and get the info is

because they

> > want a straight forward answer that they may not get on some of

the other

> > boards that are more men or bodybuilder oriented

> > vs a board like this one who discusses all aspects of the

program. Such as

> > food, how people around us react to our fitness habits, and the

detailed

> > explanations of how to do an exercise, etc... also some just

like to come

> > here to get the great recipes that are posted here more often

than on some

> > of the other boards. And then there are some that have

girlfriends or wives

> > that are needing help but are afraid to post themselves so their

guys will

> > post for them.

> >

> > Joann

>

> Perhaps the list name should be changed then? I'm sure that

there are some

> people who join this list specifically to feel safe among women..

and, if men

> are a part of the list, then they could feel misled. Or so I

believe But,

> like I said, I'll talk to anyone

> Serenity

[Guest guest]

listermint2002 wrote:

> Serenity I can't speak for all the men, but I personally don't mean

> any harm, there are many women in the clubs meant only for men and I

> believe they're accepted. I'm not here to cause problems, it's just

> that most of the questions I have are answered much quicker here,

> that's why I read the board. I normally just read and try not to post

> so that I won't disrupt things, but I had to respond to this thread.

>

> L.H.

Like I said, I'll talk to anyone But, like I also said, I'm sure that

some women join this list for the safety they perceive with being around

other women. So, perhaps the list's name should be changed or something

should be changed in the list description so that no one feels misled

Serenity (who, personally, could care less who posts here!)

[Guest guest]

I have no problem with you being here either. I'm here to learn and discuss and

I've learned a lot from this list. Both men and women have something to

contribute. It's a discussion list and I would rather look here to learn

someting from whoever <male/female> than look here for the " perception " of

safety. I am as safe as I can be in venturing out onto the web and excluding

someone based on gender is counterproductive.

<going back to lurkdom now>

Cheryl

> Serenity I can't speak for all the men, but I personally don't mean

> any harm, there are many women in the clubs meant only for men and I

> believe they're accepted. I'm not here to cause problems, it's just

> that most of the questions I have are answered much quicker here,

> that's why I read the board. I normally just read and try not to post

> so that I won't disrupt things, but I had to respond to this thread.

>

> L.H.

[Guest guest]

Well said Cheryl!

Rita

Re: I vote NO Men! Sorry...=Serenity

I have no problem with you being here either. I'm here to learn and discuss

and I've learned a lot from this list. Both men and women have something to

contribute. It's a discussion list and I would rather look here to learn

someting from whoever <male/female> than look here for the " perception " of

safety. I am as safe as I can be in venturing out onto the web and excluding

someone based on gender is counterproductive.

<going back to lurkdom now>

Cheryl

> Serenity I can't speak for all the men, but I personally don't mean

> any harm, there are many women in the clubs meant only for men and I

> believe they're accepted. I'm not here to cause problems, it's just

> that most of the questions I have are answered much quicker here,

> that's why I read the board. I normally just read and try not to post

> so that I won't disrupt things, but I had to respond to this thread.

>

> L.H.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/7/2002 11:11:21 PM Central Daylight Time,

misstia34@... writes:

> I think Serenity raises a very good point. Many of us come here

> because a club filled with liked minded women has a safer feel to it.

> I also vote NO men. Maybe an alternative club can be created. Thanks

> for posting your thoughts Serenity. No hard feelings L.H.

>

>

I'm new and probably shouldn't have a say (not that I ever let that stop me,

lol), but seriously, I dont mind either..

The internet is Pretty public and you should never assume that the only

people who see what you say are those you think are here. The internet doesnt

work that way. I have a feeling more of the people who get answers to their

questions in here are men than you think. They just dont advertise their

gender.

I havent been here long enough to know whether or not you've had a problem

with men crashing in and being inapprorpiate ,or maybe trying to change the

basic concept of the room and discuss specific MEN issues in here.... In

that Case, I could understand your sensitivity to this. But if they are out

there and reading about our child birth issues and things pertaining to

menstrual cycles and anything else we are likely to mention comfortably and

they arent scared off.. and even dare to post an innocent question about food

or something else because there seem to be quite a few really really smart

cookies in here... then I'm all for NOT tying them to the stake. LOL

JMO

Becky~

*a woman who cheered for the little girl who gradualted from West Point*

[Guest guest]

Very well said Bec - and don't forget - those men who are reading about us might

even learn something that will benefit their wives or gfs.

Rita

Re: I vote NO Men! Sorry...=Serenity

In a message dated 5/7/2002 11:11:21 PM Central Daylight Time,

misstia34@... writes:

> I think Serenity raises a very good point. Many of us come here

> because a club filled with liked minded women has a safer feel to it.

> I also vote NO men. Maybe an alternative club can be created. Thanks

> for posting your thoughts Serenity. No hard feelings L.H.

>

>

I'm new and probably shouldn't have a say (not that I ever let that stop me,

lol), but seriously, I dont mind either..

The internet is Pretty public and you should never assume that the only

people who see what you say are those you think are here. The internet doesnt

work that way. I have a feeling more of the people who get answers to their

questions in here are men than you think. They just dont advertise their

gender.

I havent been here long enough to know whether or not you've had a problem

with men crashing in and being inapprorpiate ,or maybe trying to change the

basic concept of the room and discuss specific MEN issues in here.... In

that Case, I could understand your sensitivity to this. But if they are out

there and reading about our child birth issues and things pertaining to

menstrual cycles and anything else we are likely to mention comfortably and

they arent scared off.. and even dare to post an innocent question about food

or something else because there seem to be quite a few really really smart

cookies in here... then I'm all for NOT tying them to the stake. LOL

JMO

Becky~

*a woman who cheered for the little girl who gradualted from West Point*

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/13/2002 3:20:40 PM Central Daylight Time,

femininepersuasion@... writes:

> Just join another group for gods sake. Are you one of those men who

> like to dress in women's clothing or something? Or are you afraid to

> join the club where the REAL MEN are. Kudos to Serenity for having

> the guts to speak her mind. Give me a break!

>

>

PMS?....

Nah, that wasnt nice of me... I really hate it when My hubby does that to me..

I mean I could Just kill him....want to whack him in the noodle when he is

stupid enough to actually SAY that...I get so over the top... Now here i've

done it to a fellow woman.(At least I think it's a fellow woman,but who

could say for sure unless we impelment a dna Test at registration )

And then again, the VERY worst thing is that he's usually right..

the DH!

LOL

(toungue in cheek guys, Just joking really...but lets lighten up huh?

mountains out of Mole hills I TELL YA)

bEC

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/13/2002 5:07:11 PM Central Daylight Time,

ribar@... writes:

> I sure agree with ya Bec.

>

> Rita

>

I really do need to learn to shut Up, I Like it here and i'm afraid they are

going to throw me out with the rumblers...

you know it's never been my strong suit though..

LOL

Bec

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/13/2002 5:09:06 PM Central Daylight Time,

jana5522@... writes:

> (PS, it's a woman's group, so instead of mountains and mole hills,

> shouldn't it be more like a " D " cup out of an " A " cup????)

>

> Jana

>

>

>

LOL Yes Jana

Pmp... (that happens to me when I laugh too hard after having 4 kids ya

know?)

Bec

[Guest guest]

Hi Serenity, although I know you've stated that " you could care less

who posts here " , you are the " only " member who has suggested that the

name of the club and it's decription be changed solely because of my

presence and/or a few male members. I feel that is not only

unnecessary, but unfair to make such a request. I feel the need to

apologize to you personally if my being here affects you so deeply. I

don't plan to be a regular or visible poster, I visit to read the

messsages and learn. You can call me a quiet lurker who admires the

comments and attentiveness of the members here. A few of the women

can also confirm, that when I've had questions in the past I usually

contact one of them privately so as not to disrupt the flow of the

group. I only felt the need to respond to your original comment on

this topic to assure the ladies that most men such as myself, do not

have intentions to change the energy here in the club. I was honest

about my identity, didn't utilize a phony ID, and have not insulted

anyone, nor will I ever insult anyone here. I wish you success with

your challenge as you are a member of many other BFL clubs which I

belong to. I'm not your enemy, just a fellow BFL participant who

seeks answers. p.s. It also takes forever to get answers to

questions in the other BFL clubs.

>

> > Serenity I can't speak for all the men, but I personally don't

mean

> > any harm, there are many women in the clubs meant only for men

and I

> > believe they're accepted. I'm not here to cause problems, it's

just

> > that most of the questions I have are answered much quicker here,

> > that's why I read the board. I normally just read and try not to

post

> > so that I won't disrupt things, but I had to respond to this

thread.

> >

> > L.H.

>

> Like I said, I'll talk to anyone But, like I also said, I'm

sure that

> some women join this list for the safety they perceive with being

around

> other women. So, perhaps the list's name should be changed or

something

> should be changed in the list description so that no one feels

misled

> Serenity (who, personally, could care less who posts here!)

[Guest guest]

listermint2002 wrote:

> p.s. It also takes forever to get answers to

> questions in the other BFL clubs.

BFL101 is a wonderful club, for men and women, and, amazingly enough,

it doesn't take forever to get questions answered there So maybe you just

haven't found the right group!

Serenity

[Guest guest]

Just join another group for gods sake. Are you one of those men who

like to dress in women's clothing or something? Or are you afraid to

join the club where the REAL MEN are. Kudos to Serenity for having

the guts to speak her mind. Give me a break!

> >

> > > Serenity I can't speak for all the men, but I personally don't

> mean

> > > any harm, there are many women in the clubs meant only for men

> and I

> > > believe they're accepted. I'm not here to cause problems, it's

> just

> > > that most of the questions I have are answered much quicker

here,

> > > that's why I read the board. I normally just read and try not

to

> post

> > > so that I won't disrupt things, but I had to respond to this

> thread.

> > >

> > > L.H.

> >

> > Like I said, I'll talk to anyone But, like I also said, I'm

> sure that

> > some women join this list for the safety they perceive with being

> around

> > other women. So, perhaps the list's name should be changed

or

> something

> > should be changed in the list description so that no one feels

> misled

> > Serenity (who, personally, could care less who posts here!)

[Guest guest]

I agree, there are men and women in the BFL101 club.

> Hi Serenity, although I know you've stated that " you

> could care less

> who posts here " , you are the " only " member who has

> suggested that the

> name of the club and it's decription be changed

> solely

> because of my

> presence and/or a few male members. I feel that is

> not

> only

> unnecessary, but unfair to make such a request. I

> feel

> the need to

> apologize to you personally if my being here affects

> you so deeply. I

> don't plan to be a regular or visible poster, I

> visit

> to read the

> messsages and learn. You can call me a quiet lurker

> who admires the

> comments and attentiveness of the members here. A

> few

> of the women

> can also confirm, that when I've had questions in

> the

> past I usually

> contact one of them privately so as not to disrupt

> the

> flow of the

> group. I only felt the need to respond to your

> original comment on

> this topic to assure the ladies that most men such

> as

> myself, do not

> have intentions to change the energy here in the

> club.

> I was honest

> about my identity, didn't utilize a phony ID, and

> have

> not insulted

> anyone, nor will I ever insult anyone here. I wish

> you

> success with

> your challenge as you are a member of many other BFL

> clubs which I

> belong to. I'm not your enemy, just a fellow BFL

> participant who

> seeks answers. p.s. It also takes forever to get

> answers to

> questions in the other BFL clubs.

>

[Guest guest]

wow....amazing......this kind of post really does a disservice to a very

thoughtful and informative list. Why does having men here warrant such a

personal attack such as this? I have no problem with the men being here....as I

said in an earlier post--I learn from everyone <men and women> and I am amazed

that anyone on this list should be made to feel so unwelcome <with the exception

of spammers>

Cheryl

----- Original Message -----

From: femininepersuasion

Just join another group for gods sake. Are you one of those men who

like to dress in women's clothing or something? Or are you afraid to

join the club where the REAL MEN are. Kudos to Serenity for having

the guts to speak her mind. Give me a break!

[Guest guest]

I sure agree with ya Bec.

Rita

Re: I vote NO Men! Sorry...=Serenity

In a message dated 5/13/2002 3:20:40 PM Central Daylight Time,

femininepersuasion@... writes:

> Just join another group for gods sake. Are you one of those men who

> like to dress in women's clothing or something? Or are you afraid to

> join the club where the REAL MEN are. Kudos to Serenity for having

> the guts to speak her mind. Give me a break!

>

>

PMS?....

Nah, that wasnt nice of me... I really hate it when My hubby does that to me..

I mean I could Just kill him....want to whack him in the noodle when he is

stupid enough to actually SAY that...I get so over the top... Now here i've

done it to a fellow woman.(At least I think it's a fellow woman,but who

could say for sure unless we impelment a dna Test at registration )

And then again, the VERY worst thing is that he's usually right..

the DH!

LOL

(toungue in cheek guys, Just joking really...but lets lighten up huh?

mountains out of Mole hills I TELL YA)

bEC

[Guest guest]

> PMS?....

> Nah, that wasnt nice of me... I really hate it when My hubby does

that to me..

> I mean I could Just kill him....want to whack him in the noodle

when he is

> stupid enough to actually SAY that...I get so over the top... Now

here i've

> done it to a fellow woman.(At least I think it's a fellow

woman,but who

> could say for sure unless we impelment a dna Test at registration )

> And then again, the VERY worst thing is that he's usually right..

> the DH!

> LOL

> (toungue in cheek guys, Just joking really...but lets lighten up

huh?

> mountains out of Mole hills I TELL YA)

>

> bEC

>

>

> DNA testing...yes, that is the answer! Funny, funny funny. I love

it! Tomato, tomahto, if some guy really wants to hear about my

childbirthing stories, come on in! I'm pretty sure I'll know the real

women anyway, who cares?

(PS, it's a woman's group, so instead of mountains and mole hills,

shouldn't it be more like a " D " cup out of an " A " cup????)

Jana

[Guest guest]

LMAO @ Jana!

Rita

Re: I vote NO Men! Sorry...=Serenity

> PMS?....

> Nah, that wasnt nice of me... I really hate it when My hubby does

that to me..

> I mean I could Just kill him....want to whack him in the noodle

when he is

> stupid enough to actually SAY that...I get so over the top... Now

here i've

> done it to a fellow woman.(At least I think it's a fellow

woman,but who

> could say for sure unless we impelment a dna Test at registration )

> And then again, the VERY worst thing is that he's usually right..

> the DH!

> LOL

> (toungue in cheek guys, Just joking really...but lets lighten up

huh?

> mountains out of Mole hills I TELL YA)

>

> bEC

>

>

> DNA testing...yes, that is the answer! Funny, funny funny. I love

it! Tomato, tomahto, if some guy really wants to hear about my

childbirthing stories, come on in! I'm pretty sure I'll know the real

women anyway, who cares?

(PS, it's a woman's group, so instead of mountains and mole hills,

shouldn't it be more like a " D " cup out of an " A " cup????)

Jana

[Guest guest]

You keep talking hon! No one's throwing anyone out.

Rita

Re: I vote NO Men! Sorry...=Serenity

In a message dated 5/13/2002 5:07:11 PM Central Daylight Time,

ribar@... writes:

> I sure agree with ya Bec.

>

> Rita

>

I really do need to learn to shut Up, I Like it here and i'm afraid they are

going to throw me out with the rumblers...

you know it's never been my strong suit though..

LOL

Bec

[Guest guest]

NO, I'm very much heterosexual and a gentlemen. That comment was rude

and unnecessary. Enjoy your evening.

> > >

> > > > Serenity I can't speak for all the men, but I personally

don't

> > mean

> > > > any harm, there are many women in the clubs meant only for

men

> > and I

> > > > believe they're accepted. I'm not here to cause problems,

it's

> > just

> > > > that most of the questions I have are answered much quicker

> here,

> > > > that's why I read the board. I normally just read and try not

> to

> > post

> > > > so that I won't disrupt things, but I had to respond to this

> > thread.

> > > >

> > > > L.H.

> > >

> > > Like I said, I'll talk to anyone But, like I also said, I'm

> > sure that

> > > some women join this list for the safety they perceive with

being

> > around

> > > other women. So, perhaps the list's name should be changed

> or

> > something

> > > should be changed in the list description so that no one feels

> > misled

> > > Serenity (who, personally, could care less who posts here!)

[Guest guest]

L.H. welcome to the club!