Thanksgiving and 's leg

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 9:35:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

> . Any thoughts?

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Pinched nerve? I had torn cartilage and it is most painful when I hyper-bend

it which seems to be what did. My orthopedic surgeon says pain causes

swelling and swelling causes pain. I'm going to need a replacement someday,

but in the meantime I use one of those stretch ace knee braces, for a little

extra support and to minimize the swelling, when I know I have a lot of walking

to do.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 9:35:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

> . Any thoughts?

>

Pinched nerve? I had torn cartilage and it is most painful when I hyper-bend

it which seems to be what did. My orthopedic surgeon says pain causes

swelling and swelling causes pain. I'm going to need a replacement someday,

but in the meantime I use one of those stretch ace knee braces, for a little

extra support and to minimize the swelling, when I know I have a lot of walking

to do.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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In a message dated 11/26/04 8:35:49 AM Central Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

thought his leg was asleep from sitting in the car and told him to shake his

I am no doctor Jackie but I know that I questioned my ortho about Micah's

orthotics for his feet cause he still walks toed in. She said that they are

more

to hold the leg in allignment because kids with DS tend to have a lot of

problems with their knees later on because of poor allignment due to low muscle

tone. Did he ever wear orthotics as a kid. Maybe it is worth asking the Ortho

about because this is something that I never knew but according to her it is

pretty prevelant. Hope this helps.

Loree

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In a message dated 11/26/04 8:35:49 AM Central Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

thought his leg was asleep from sitting in the car and told him to shake his

I am no doctor Jackie but I know that I questioned my ortho about Micah's

orthotics for his feet cause he still walks toed in. She said that they are

more

to hold the leg in allignment because kids with DS tend to have a lot of

problems with their knees later on because of poor allignment due to low muscle

tone. Did he ever wear orthotics as a kid. Maybe it is worth asking the Ortho

about because this is something that I never knew but according to her it is

pretty prevelant. Hope this helps.

Loree

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 12:40:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

> Would a pinched nerve show up on an xray?

Nope. A pinched nerve doesn't show up on an xray.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 12:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cindysue@... writes:

> 's gait changed and he was

> really dragging his feet when he walked.

Liam started doing this too. I asked the PT if she thought he should have

orthotics again, but she didn't say. I'll try the arch supports for now.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 1:09:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

> Are your kids flat-footed?

>

Liam is.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 1:09:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

> Are your kids flat-footed?

>

Liam is.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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I never got the day after Thanksgiving shopping thing either, . I'd prefer

to stay home and hang with my Botch Boys.....who are all still sleeping. I

hosted Thanksgiving at my house for the first time yesterday. We cooked the 22

pound turkey and provided plenty of alcohol. The rest of my family each brought

a side, so it wasn't so bad.....except for cleaning up. I was exhausted! No

one helped my except my dear hubby. Everyone else just sat and talked. It

appeared everyone was really enjoying themselves, so we just sucked it up and

cleaned up ourselves. I just got done this morning washing the rest of the good

dishes.

I decided to host it since it may be the last time our family is together for

awhile. My brother got his orders to go to Iraq. : ( We're all quite upset.

He left Nov. 8th for Ft. Dix for 3 months of training and can't come home

weekends. He leaves 1/28 (my birthday) for Iraq. He is a Lt. in the Navy and

has been in the reserves for about 5 years.....ever since he left his job with

the Navy. We're all very nervous. He thinks he will be in Kuwait and in charge

of weapon cleanup, so he won't be fighting, although he still must be retrained

to do that. It isn't safe anywhere over there, as we all know. He little girl

is so upset. She's a daddy's girl and it's breaking her heart that he'll be

gone for a year.

gave us a scare Tuesday night and subsequently we ended up in the emergency

room for 5 hours on Wednesday. He was running errands with me in the car Tues.

night along with his brothers and was sitting in the car for about an

hour....cross-legged like he usually does and shouldn't! Well, when we got

home, he got out of the car as I was walking into the mudroom and he never came

in. When I went back out to the garage, he was leaning on the hood of the car

wincing in pain and telling me he couldn't walk. I just thought his leg was

asleep from sitting in the car and told him to shake his leg, which he did but

he couldn't bear any weight on it.

I began to think it was a cramp. He was crying....which is unusual. He has a

very high tolerance of pain. He consistently said it hurt behind his right

kneecap. He could not walk and was sweating and obviously in alot of pain. I

sent my neighbor to get my hubby and we somehow got on the couch. I called

the doctor after hours of heating pad, motrin, trying to get him to walk a

little, etc. She couldn't figure it out and said if we got him to rest

comfortably over night that we should wait and bring him in the morning. Well,

we decided to go to the hospital in the morning instead.

They took an xray and said that he has a piece of cartiliage floating around in

his knee and that maybe that was what was causing him pain. They just said to

give him motrin and have him take it easy and if it isn't better in 4-5 days to

take him to an orthopedic doctor. Just what I needed to hear the day before I

have 30 people coming for Thanksgiving! Well, long story short, he is getting

better day by day and seems to be able to walk again. We just can't figure this

out. I think the cartilage has probably been there and was not the issue at

all. Rather, I think he may have just twisted it while getting out of the car

or walking around the car. The dr. said he saw no fluid, but Don and I think

his knee is swollen now. I think I will still take him to an orthopedic dr.

because he is still leary about using that leg completely. Any thoughts?

Sorry to ramble on for so long here. House is quiet and the time was right for

typing! Hope everybody had a wonderful day yesterday!

Jackie, Mom to 17ds, 14, and Bradley 10

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Would a pinched nerve show up on an xray? That's what my husband thought it

could be too. Now the doctor didn't say it was a torn cartilage, but he did say

a " piece " of calcified cartilage is what he saw on the xray. I was so tired and

out of it by the time we saw him that now I am finally thinking and mad at

myself for not asking more questions.

Jackie

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 9:35:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

.. Any thoughts?

Pinched nerve? I had torn cartilage and it is most painful when I hyper-bend it

which seems to be what did. My orthopedic surgeon says pain causes

swelling and swelling causes pain. I'm going to need a replacement someday, but

in the meantime I use one of those stretch ace knee braces, for a little extra

support and to minimize the swelling, when I know I have a lot of walking to do.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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Thanks for responding Loree. No, never wore orthotics. He is very

flat-footed and his right foot has always turned in a bit.......I'm pigeon-toed

as well. He tends to roll in a little when he walks as well. He was seen years

ago once a year at Easter Seals by an orthopedic doctor and he never seemed

overly concerned with 's gait. You've made me think now that because it is

his right foot that turns in and it is his right leg now that is bothering him,

that there may be a connection.

Jackie

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In a message dated 11/26/04 8:35:49 AM Central Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

thought his leg was asleep from sitting in the car and told him to shake his

I am no doctor Jackie but I know that I questioned my ortho about Micah's

orthotics for his feet cause he still walks toed in. She said that they are

more to hold the leg in allignment because kids with DS tend to have a lot of

problems with their knees later on because of poor allignment due to low muscle

tone. Did he ever wear orthotics as a kid. Maybe it is worth asking the Ortho

about because this is something that I never knew but according to her it is

pretty prevelant. Hope this helps.

Loree

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Thanks for responding Loree. No, never wore orthotics. He is very

flat-footed and his right foot has always turned in a bit.......I'm pigeon-toed

as well. He tends to roll in a little when he walks as well. He was seen years

ago once a year at Easter Seals by an orthopedic doctor and he never seemed

overly concerned with 's gait. You've made me think now that because it is

his right foot that turns in and it is his right leg now that is bothering him,

that there may be a connection.

Jackie

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In a message dated 11/26/04 8:35:49 AM Central Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

thought his leg was asleep from sitting in the car and told him to shake his

I am no doctor Jackie but I know that I questioned my ortho about Micah's

orthotics for his feet cause he still walks toed in. She said that they are

more to hold the leg in allignment because kids with DS tend to have a lot of

problems with their knees later on because of poor allignment due to low muscle

tone. Did he ever wear orthotics as a kid. Maybe it is worth asking the Ortho

about because this is something that I never knew but according to her it is

pretty prevelant. Hope this helps.

Loree

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Jackie - does he wear arch supports? 's gait changed and he was

really dragging his feet when he walked. He also was complaining of his

feet bothering him. Tim took him to a good shoe store where he was fitted

(at no charge) with arch supports. It made a world of difference in his

gait and he no longer complains of his feet hurting. The shoes were only

$42.00. It's worth a try - until you get in to see the ortho.

's feet also grew alot this summer. He went from a size 3W in July

to a size 5W (Men's size) in September. That would come out to a size 7.5W

for women...my size...lol. So, I told Tim if he ever can't find 's

shoes in the morning, he could wear a pair of my tennis shoes My foot

fit perfectly into 's shoe.

I hope feels better soon.

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Are your kids flat-footed?

Jackie

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 12:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cindysue@... writes:

's gait changed and he was

really dragging his feet when he walked.

Liam started doing this too. I asked the PT if she thought he should have

orthotics again, but she didn't say. I'll try the arch supports for now.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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Are your kids flat-footed?

Jackie

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 12:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cindysue@... writes:

's gait changed and he was

really dragging his feet when he walked.

Liam started doing this too. I asked the PT if she thought he should have

orthotics again, but she didn't say. I'll try the arch supports for now.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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Jackie - 's feet were always a bit flat, but when he gained 30+ pounds,

it became much worse. That is when I noticed the change in his gait. He's lost

at least 10+ of those extra pounds - due to being on adderral, but now I am

worried about him not eating enough.

About the arch supports, not all shoe stores have qualified fitters. The arch

supports need to be customized for the person wearing them. The shoe store Tim

took to is 30 miles away - there was another one about 40 miles east of

us that our local DS support group refers families to. I also called ahead to

make sure someone would wait on right away (and they had the shoes ready

for him to try on - only a size smaller than he needed).

TJ just took to get a haircut - he better not come home looking like TJ

(military haircut)!

Re: Thanksgiving and 's leg

Are your kids flat-footed?

Jackie

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 12:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cindysue@... writes:

's gait changed and he was

really dragging his feet when he walked.

Liam started doing this too. I asked the PT if she thought he should have

orthotics again, but she didn't say. I'll try the arch supports for now.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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Jackie - 's feet were always a bit flat, but when he gained 30+ pounds,

it became much worse. That is when I noticed the change in his gait. He's lost

at least 10+ of those extra pounds - due to being on adderral, but now I am

worried about him not eating enough.

About the arch supports, not all shoe stores have qualified fitters. The arch

supports need to be customized for the person wearing them. The shoe store Tim

took to is 30 miles away - there was another one about 40 miles east of

us that our local DS support group refers families to. I also called ahead to

make sure someone would wait on right away (and they had the shoes ready

for him to try on - only a size smaller than he needed).

TJ just took to get a haircut - he better not come home looking like TJ

(military haircut)!

Re: Thanksgiving and 's leg

Are your kids flat-footed?

Jackie

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In a message dated 11/26/2004 12:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cindysue@... writes:

's gait changed and he was

really dragging his feet when he walked.

Liam started doing this too. I asked the PT if she thought he should have

orthotics again, but she didn't say. I'll try the arch supports for now.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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Hey Jackie,

I started writing this yesterday then...

Anyway, prayers for your brother and his family and yours. I know how hard

that must be.

Good job on the 30 folk you entertained on Thursday!

About ryans leg- my son jesse gets all kinds of pains that are unexplainable

in his legs. He has some heel thing, where the bones are not attached yet to

themselves- thats been xrayed 2x already.

Has ryan had some kind of growth spurt lately? I think taking him to an

orthopedists is a good idea anyway. BTW, amanda has flat feet- and wore

orthodics

until about 3 years ago. Now she just wears good sneakers and some funky

shoes with low heels or cute boots- girls!

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Hey Jackie,

I started writing this yesterday then...

Anyway, prayers for your brother and his family and yours. I know how hard

that must be.

Good job on the 30 folk you entertained on Thursday!

About ryans leg- my son jesse gets all kinds of pains that are unexplainable

in his legs. He has some heel thing, where the bones are not attached yet to

themselves- thats been xrayed 2x already.

Has ryan had some kind of growth spurt lately? I think taking him to an

orthopedists is a good idea anyway. BTW, amanda has flat feet- and wore

orthodics

until about 3 years ago. Now she just wears good sneakers and some funky

shoes with low heels or cute boots- girls!

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I'll try the arch supports for now.

According to Shriner's, Karrie is becoming more lax in her joints as she

ages. The doctor there told me not to worry about the inserts in her shoes

anymore.

Should I take her to an ortho specialist? I thought Shriner's would know

more about this than a " regular " ortho doc. This doctor just said it so

matter-of-factly. It wrecked me!

Sue mom to Kate 15 and Karrie 8 w/ds and other issues (who is also

flat-footed and rolls her ankles in)

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I'll try the arch supports for now.

According to Shriner's, Karrie is becoming more lax in her joints as she

ages. The doctor there told me not to worry about the inserts in her shoes

anymore.

Should I take her to an ortho specialist? I thought Shriner's would know

more about this than a " regular " ortho doc. This doctor just said it so

matter-of-factly. It wrecked me!

Sue mom to Kate 15 and Karrie 8 w/ds and other issues (who is also

flat-footed and rolls her ankles in)

..

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Hi

was having a lot of trouble with his feet, pain and flat feet, etc.

Children's told us to see an OT here and we may made an appt. with the same

OT who sees . After three weeks, 's feet has improved and he has

graduated from OT! She gave him some arch supports that really did the

trick.

Dad to , Kristi, (all three Down syndrome) and (Cri du

chat)

Husband to C. in Mo.

Uncle Daddy to and in Calif. (Down syndrome)

and 44 years young today!

Re: Thanksgiving and 's leg

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> I'll try the arch supports for now.

>

> According to Shriner's, Karrie is becoming more lax in her joints as she

> ages. The doctor there told me not to worry about the inserts in her shoes

> anymore.

> Should I take her to an ortho specialist? I thought Shriner's would know

> more about this than a " regular " ortho doc. This doctor just said it so

> matter-of-factly. It wrecked me!

>

> Sue mom to Kate 15 and Karrie 8 w/ds and other issues (who is also

> flat-footed and rolls her ankles in)

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Hi

was having a lot of trouble with his feet, pain and flat feet, etc.

Children's told us to see an OT here and we may made an appt. with the same

OT who sees . After three weeks, 's feet has improved and he has

graduated from OT! She gave him some arch supports that really did the

trick.

Dad to , Kristi, (all three Down syndrome) and (Cri du

chat)

Husband to C. in Mo.

Uncle Daddy to and in Calif. (Down syndrome)

and 44 years young today!

Re: Thanksgiving and 's leg

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> I'll try the arch supports for now.

>

> According to Shriner's, Karrie is becoming more lax in her joints as she

> ages. The doctor there told me not to worry about the inserts in her shoes

> anymore.

> Should I take her to an ortho specialist? I thought Shriner's would know

> more about this than a " regular " ortho doc. This doctor just said it so

> matter-of-factly. It wrecked me!

>

> Sue mom to Kate 15 and Karrie 8 w/ds and other issues (who is also

> flat-footed and rolls her ankles in)

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