Re: What about fruit?

[Guest guest]

Are you using fruit for your carb or just eating it as an extra? I have

heard different things about fruit. On Dr. Hussman's site, I thought he

said fruit was a better carb than brown rice, whole wheat pasta or whole

wheat bread. So, if you're using it as a carb in your meal, I think it's

pretty good. If you're eating a protein/carb PLUS the fruit that may be too

many carbs. Fruits are very high in carbs.

Astra

What about fruit?

I agree that you really can't overdo on the veggies (unless you're

eating a ton of corn), but what about fruit? Right now I'm having

two or three servings a week, usually something low on the glycemic

index like an apple, orange or some berries.

I lost a LOT of fat weight during my second challenge when I cut out

fruit all together, and I'm thinking of doing that again. I know

fruit is natural, but it still contains a ton of sugar, esp. grapes

and bananas. Any thoughts?

Dani

[Guest guest]

Dani,

I don't think you should cut out fruit!!!!! Fruit has a lot of fiber and

nutrients and is good for you in all regards. I personally don't think we

should cut any food group out of our diet completely if we want to be able to do

this for life. I agree that you should be careful in your fruit choices and

would even agree to limit it to 3 servings a week (if you twist my arm). I eat

a serving of fruit every day though, usually at least 2, and have had good

success. However, I also had a lot more to lose, so maybe as I near my goal I

will have to start thinking along these lines but I HOPE NOT!

Park

What about fruit?

I agree that you really can't overdo on the veggies (unless you're

eating a ton of corn), but what about fruit? Right now I'm having

two or three servings a week, usually something low on the glycemic

index like an apple, orange or some berries.

I lost a LOT of fat weight during my second challenge when I cut out

fruit all together, and I'm thinking of doing that again. I know

fruit is natural, but it still contains a ton of sugar, esp. grapes

and bananas. Any thoughts?

Dani

[Guest guest]

Totally agree with Park, you should never cut them out of your diet. I eat

1-2 servings a day, can't comment on my success because I'm so new, but

can't imagine that cutting them out would be good for you at all.

Re: What about fruit?

Dani,

I don't think you should cut out fruit!!!!! Fruit has a lot of fiber and

nutrients and is good for you in all regards. I personally don't think we

should cut any food group out of our diet completely if we want to be able

to do this for life. I agree that you should be careful in your fruit

choices and would even agree to limit it to 3 servings a week (if you twist

my arm). I eat a serving of fruit every day though, usually at least 2, and

have had good success. However, I also had a lot more to lose, so maybe as

I near my goal I will have to start thinking along these lines but I HOPE

NOT!

Park

What about fruit?

I agree that you really can't overdo on the veggies (unless you're

eating a ton of corn), but what about fruit? Right now I'm having

two or three servings a week, usually something low on the glycemic

index like an apple, orange or some berries.

I lost a LOT of fat weight during my second challenge when I cut out

fruit all together, and I'm thinking of doing that again. I know

fruit is natural, but it still contains a ton of sugar, esp. grapes

and bananas. Any thoughts?

Dani

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Park. I'm in this for the long haul so I don't want to cut out

any food group (cept chocolate I guess lol) ... plus summer is coming and fruit

will be my carb of choice as much as I can.

Rita

What about fruit?

I agree that you really can't overdo on the veggies (unless you're

eating a ton of corn), but what about fruit? Right now I'm having

two or three servings a week, usually something low on the glycemic

index like an apple, orange or some berries.

I lost a LOT of fat weight during my second challenge when I cut out

fruit all together, and I'm thinking of doing that again. I know

fruit is natural, but it still contains a ton of sugar, esp. grapes

and bananas. Any thoughts?

Dani

[Guest guest]

Well, girls, it seems Hussman agrees with you. He states, and I

quote:

As long as you prepare them without adding fat, creams or high-carb

dressings, you can eat practically all the vegetables you want.

Seriously. As for fruits, you can't eat an unlimited amount, but

they'll definitely help you to avoid those " tiny " portions of high-

calorie disaster foods. A whole cantaloupe plus two plums have the

same number of calories as four little " reduced-fat " SnackWell

cookies. Make good choices, and losing fat doesn't need to be about

deprivation.

He repeats over and over again that fruit are fine, as long as you

choose low-glycemic ones, so I guess I won't cut them out, but I will

limit myself to 3-4 servings a week, max.

Another reason for doing this is that I tend to get addictive about

carbs, and any kind of sweet taste can set me off on a binge. It's

the same reason I can't do free days. Once I start eating, I can't

stop.

Dani

> I agree with you Park. I'm in this for the long haul so I don't

want to cut out any food group (cept chocolate I guess lol) ... plus

summer is coming and fruit will be my carb of choice as much as I can.

>

> Rita

> What about fruit?

>

>

> I agree that you really can't overdo on the veggies (unless

you're

> eating a ton of corn), but what about fruit? Right now I'm

having

> two or three servings a week, usually something low on the

glycemic

> index like an apple, orange or some berries.

>

> I lost a LOT of fat weight during my second challenge when I

cut out

> fruit all together, and I'm thinking of doing that again. I

know

> fruit is natural, but it still contains a ton of sugar, esp.

grapes

> and bananas. Any thoughts?

>

> Dani

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually - I think it's WE who agree with Hussman! lol He taught us!

Rita

What about fruit?

>

>

> I agree that you really can't overdo on the veggies (unless

you're

> eating a ton of corn), but what about fruit? Right now I'm

having

> two or three servings a week, usually something low on the

glycemic

> index like an apple, orange or some berries.

>

> I lost a LOT of fat weight during my second challenge when I

cut out

> fruit all together, and I'm thinking of doing that again. I

know

> fruit is natural, but it still contains a ton of sugar, esp.

grapes

> and bananas. Any thoughts?

>

> Dani

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cool... fruit rules! Okay, where has everyone been today? I can't believe how

slow it has been????

Park

What about fruit?

I agree that you really can't overdo on the veggies (unless you're

eating a ton of corn), but what about fruit? Right now I'm having

two or three servings a week, usually something low on the glycemic

index like an apple, orange or some berries.

I lost a LOT of fat weight during my second challenge when I cut out

fruit all together, and I'm thinking of doing that again. I know

fruit is natural, but it still contains a ton of sugar, esp. grapes

and bananas. Any thoughts?

Dani

[Guest guest]

I'm here.

What about fruit?

I agree that you really can't overdo on the veggies (unless you're

eating a ton of corn), but what about fruit? Right now I'm having

two or three servings a week, usually something low on the glycemic

index like an apple, orange or some berries.

I lost a LOT of fat weight during my second challenge when I cut out

fruit all together, and I'm thinking of doing that again. I know

fruit is natural, but it still contains a ton of sugar, esp. grapes

and bananas. Any thoughts?

Dani

[Guest guest]

The fruits whose skins you eat are going to be the lower glycemic

fruits. Just watch your portion sizes. A medium apple has about 20

carbs. Don't give fruit up. Just pair it with a protein portion and

you'll do fine.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

>

> He repeats over and over again that fruit are fine, as long as you

> choose low-glycemic ones, so I guess I won't cut them out, but I

will

> limit myself to 3-4 servings a week, max.

OK, if you limit yourself to 2-3 servings a week, what will the other

39 carb portions a week be? We are all different in how we respond to

certain foods, but if you cut out the fruit for most meals, then what

does that leave but bread or rice or potatoes? I personally have a

harder time losing weight eating bread than if I use fruit as my carb

portion. Remember, your body breaks down all carbs into simple sugars

to use..so even though an apple or banana may have more " sugar " in

it, its not like it has refined table sugar. If you are worried about

the glycemic index, compare a peach(28) to brown rice (55)or an apple

(36) or pear(37)to quick cooking oatmeal(66)Fruit is also full of

mysterious things called phytochemicals that are just now being

isolated and discovered, and are very good for you! As well as anti-

oxidants! So, dont fear the fruit! :-) Here is a pretty decent

link...http://www.medicalmeals.com

Betsey

[Guest guest]

run_girl_la wrote:

> I agree that you really can't overdo on the veggies (unless you're

> eating a ton of corn), but what about fruit? Right now I'm having

> two or three servings a week, usually something low on the glycemic

> index like an apple, orange or some berries.

>

> I lost a LOT of fat weight during my second challenge when I cut out

> fruit all together, and I'm thinking of doing that again. I know

> fruit is natural, but it still contains a ton of sugar, esp. grapes

> and bananas. Any thoughts?

>

> Dani

I don't think you can overdo on fruit. I know lots of people who only use

fruit as their carb and see great results. But they do tend to stick with

low GI fruit.

Serenity

[Guest guest]

ribar wrote:

> Actually - I think it's WE who agree with Hussman! lol He taught us!

>

> Rita

LOL! Speak for yourself, Rita I think Hussman's site complicates BFL way

too much and I avoid it at all costs The BFL book taught me that fruit is

okay.

Serenity

[Guest guest]

Sorry to have included you in the general " we " in my post Serenity ...

I didn't realize anyone found Hussman complicated. My apologies.

Rita

Re: What about fruit?

ribar wrote:

> Actually - I think it's WE who agree with Hussman! lol He taught us!

>

> Rita

LOL! Speak for yourself, Rita I think Hussman's site complicates BFL way

too much and I avoid it at all costs The BFL book taught me that fruit is

okay.

Serenity

[Guest guest]

ribar wrote:

> Sorry to have included you in the general " we " in my post Serenity ...

> I didn't realize anyone found Hussman complicated. My apologies.

>

> Rita

It is complicated compared to the simplicity of the Body For Life book by Bill

Serenity

[Guest guest]

Serenity, you're right about Hussman complicating BFL. He does so.

However, I like the complication. BFL falls rather short on nutrition if

you're going to take this past one challenge. He had more refined

information for those who want to 'tweak' the program and I think MOST

people do tweak it. Heck, look at all of the champions. There is not ONE

champion interview I've read that followed the program to a t. Some didn't

take free days, some limited their carbs more, some did more or less cardio

depending on their goals, some did more weight training. I think Hussman is

educating people (albeit way beyond what we need for the FIRST challenge)

and I have learned how calorie really work and all that jazz which I find

terribly interesting. It's allowed me to tweak the program a little myself

so that I may see better results than if I just palmed all of my portion

sizes and such. This allows me to see where I need to be calorically, which

sets my mind at ease. I feel I'm armed with the knowledge to do the best I

can on this first challenge. Of course, I have been accused of 'over

thinking' things...ahem, that just CAN'T be the case.

Now, if Hubby would just stop pushing for pizza after I accidentally skip a

meal things would REALLY be ducky!!

Astra ;-)

Re: What about fruit?

ribar wrote:

> Sorry to have included you in the general " we " in my post Serenity ...

> I didn't realize anyone found Hussman complicated. My apologies.

>

> Rita

It is complicated compared to the simplicity of the Body For Life book by

Bill

Serenity

[Guest guest]

LoranceA wrote:

> Serenity, you're right about Hussman complicating BFL. He does so.

> However, I like the complication. BFL falls rather short on nutrition if

> you're going to take this past one challenge. He had more refined

> information for those who want to 'tweak' the program and I think MOST

> people do tweak it. Heck, look at all of the champions. There is not ONE

> champion interview I've read that followed the program to a t. Some didn't

> take free days, some limited their carbs more, some did more or less cardio

> depending on their goals, some did more weight training. I think Hussman is

> educating people (albeit way beyond what we need for the FIRST challenge)

> and I have learned how calorie really work and all that jazz which I find

> terribly interesting. It's allowed me to tweak the program a little myself

> so that I may see better results than if I just palmed all of my portion

> sizes and such. This allows me to see where I need to be calorically, which

> sets my mind at ease. I feel I'm armed with the knowledge to do the best I

> can on this first challenge. Of course, I have been accused of 'over

> thinking' things...ahem, that just CAN'T be the case.

I'm glad it's working for you, Astra I've heard from enough people who do

stick with the book past 12 weeks and who do see great progress to inspire me to

do the same So that's why I avoid Dr (of Economics) Hussman's site.

Some people need the complication but I've found it just aggravates me.

But, like so many things, that's just personal preference!

Serenity

[Guest guest]

Hi Dani! You probl don't remember me, but I joined the board back in

September and I remember you! Welcome back!

I actually make myself include at least 2 fruit portions every day.

Because it is natural and loaded with so many vitamins, minerals and

antioxidents, I think that overrides everything. I am currently on

my second program designed by of Peakphysiques. I probably

shouldn't quote him without looking up his exact words, but he said

something I really think is worth keeping in mind.. " With a focus on

health, the leanness will come, but if you focus on leanness, the

health won't necessarily follow! " He said it much better, but you

get the idea!!

HTH,

Lynda

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynda,

I remember you, too. It feels good to be remembered.

I really like that quote (or near-quote):

" With a focus on health, the leanness will come, but if you focus on

leanness, the health won't necessarily follow! "

I know fruit is healthy, but I think I'm focusing on the leanness too

much right now. I'm down right obsessed, but that's because I

strayed for so long. I haven't been either healthy or lean during

the last four months, and I really want to get back in shape. That's

why I appreciate everyone here keeping me grounded!

Dani

[Guest guest]

If I am totally starving and must grab something between meals, i

woudl ratehr go for a banana, apple or orange than a candy bar.

(well, not really, but I tend to go for the fruit so I won;t go for

the candy bar or ice cream!)

[Guest guest]

Are any of you ladies really starving between meals ?

I'm finding that eating so often and drinking a bazillion ounces of

water a day; food is the last thing on my mind.

Dawn

Re: What about fruit?

If I am totally starving and must grab something between meals, i

woudl ratehr go for a banana, apple or orange than a candy bar.

(well, not really, but I tend to go for the fruit so I won;t go for

the candy bar or ice cream!)

[Guest guest]

Dawn I am the same way. VERY rarely do I get hungry! WHen is there time for

that? If I'm not eating I'm preparing my next meal! lol I'm up to close to a

gallon a day for water ... Last night I couldn't even finish my turkey burger.

oy!

Rita

Re: What about fruit?

If I am totally starving and must grab something between meals, i

woudl ratehr go for a banana, apple or orange than a candy bar.

(well, not really, but I tend to go for the fruit so I won;t go for

the candy bar or ice cream!)

[Guest guest]

That's a good way to remember! Thanx.

Rita

Re: What about fruit?

The fruits whose skins you eat are going to be the lower glycemic

fruits. Just watch your portion sizes. A medium apple has about 20

carbs. Don't give fruit up. Just pair it with a protein portion and

you'll do fine.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

Lynda ... That quote sounds good enough for me! He did an analysis for me and

then I checked on it and he was exactly right!!! I didn't realize he did

customized programs tho - I guess I have to reread it. Is it close to BFL?

Rita

Re: What about fruit?

Hi Dani! You probl don't remember me, but I joined the board back in

September and I remember you! Welcome back!

I actually make myself include at least 2 fruit portions every day.

Because it is natural and loaded with so many vitamins, minerals and

antioxidents, I think that overrides everything. I am currently on

my second program designed by of Peakphysiques. I probably

shouldn't quote him without looking up his exact words, but he said

something I really think is worth keeping in mind.. " With a focus on

health, the leanness will come, but if you focus on leanness, the

health won't necessarily follow! " He said it much better, but you

get the idea!!

HTH,

Lynda

[Guest guest]

I agree Astra;

BFL has a lot of " Grey " areas when it comes to nutrition. If I would have

stuck to the book to a " T " then my meals would have been boring and

tasteless. BFL never mentions condiments or other beverages except water and

the MR shakes. Mind you he did state in his book that he doesn't cook; which

I think has a lot to do with the lack of detail in the nutrition part of the

program. But this does appeal to a lot of people who also don't like to

cook. But for me [who BTW loves to cook, LOL] I was bored very quickly with

the food simplicity and Hussman's site made it easier to use the many

varieties of food, seasonings, condiments etc.. to make the food taste

better and still stay within the BFL guidelines. In fact I saw better

results after I applied the info from Hussman's site to my program. And it

has helped a lot of people break their plateus.

I also think that understanding the way things work such as calories/ food

and the way our bodies handle these things along with exercise helps me to

focus on what I am doing and what I need to get me to my goals...Lets face

it not understanding the basics of how everything works got us all to the

unhealthy state that brought us here to BFL in the first place. So I am for

all the knowledge that I can get on the nutrition side of things...after all

knowledge is power and all :0)

Just my .02~

Joann

Re: What about fruit?

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>

>

>

> ribar wrote:

>

> > Sorry to have included you in the general " we " in my post Serenity ...

> > I didn't realize anyone found Hussman complicated. My apologies.

> >

> > Rita

>

> It is complicated compared to the simplicity of the Body For Life book by

> Bill

>

> Serenity

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rita,

I know I know...I'm up to a gallon myself. Sometimes to alleviate the

'boring' flavor of water I've been putting a bit of lemon juice to give

me some sort of satisfaction.

Between drinking water, peeing all the time, preparing food, and

thinking about what I'm allowed to eat. Who has time to eat!!!!!!!!

Dawn

Re: What about fruit?

Dawn I am the same way. VERY rarely do I get hungry! WHen is there

time for that? If I'm not eating I'm preparing my next meal! lol I'm

up to close to a gallon a day for water ... Last night I couldn't even

finish my turkey burger. oy!

Rita

Re: What about fruit?

If I am totally starving and must grab something between meals, i

woudl ratehr go for a banana, apple or orange than a candy bar.

(well, not really, but I tend to go for the fruit so I won;t go for

the candy bar or ice cream!)