Re: Ettiquette, Nettiquette, Betterquit

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From: MARTHA or BILL MAHAN <billandmarthamahan@...>To:

" " < >Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:50:26 PMSubject: Ettiquette, Nettiquette, Betterquit Most of us are old enough to have been taught the basics of ettiquette. Some of us even remember Post.

Ettiquette is a good thing. It not only teaches us how to behave with respect to others, but it also provides an accepted format for dealings with those we encounter in life. Ettiquette is good. Nettiquette is the out of wedlock child of Ettiquette and the impersonal and irresponsible gone-by-the- morning-light bachelor named Technology. Fortunately Nettiquette rose from such an embarrassing ancestry to be a cultured lady in and of herself. She is not her mother, Ettiquette, but she does have her own similar qualities that are importnt to all those around her. While not the genteel guide that her mother is, Nettiquette has her own place and her own followers. But there is a difference. Ettiquette involves serious direct contact with people, mostly in person and/or with someone with whom uyou have or will have some sort of

relationship. Nettiquette very often deals with people who only supply you with an alias followed by an "@" sign. Like almost everyone I know on line, I try to stay within the bounds set by both Ettiquette and Nettiquette. And like most people, I don't slways succeed. Sometimes it is an oversight, and sometimes I just make a decision to do it my way because I think that suits my needs in communicating to others. there is no intent to be rude, and if i am aware of any rudeness, I will apologize. Sometimes it is simply a matter of human error and a mechanical keyboard combining to produce either a QUERTY quagmire of quirky quips, an sometimes it is just lack of thought or paying attention. I suspect that is true of everyone. Regarding the editing out of unessential parts--especially other people's e-mail addresses--from items forwarded from one e-mail contact to

others, that should be a given for all. Even the most careful of corrrespondnts can slip once in a while. But nettiquette form for the sdake of form does not seem to me to be anything to get one's knickers in a twist. We are not governed in any way by nettiquette, and if someone wants to excise us from their computers before ever reading our e-mails, that's easy enough to do, It's a lot more good ettiquette to do that than it is to complain on a public forum. Someone here seemed to be very concerned about whether one put their response aove or below the original message. This is important? I see no rudeness in doing it however one wants, and certainly no harm is done. If we are capable of understanding someone's message, then we are also capable of deciding how we are going to answer it. for my part, I prefer to

answer a message below the issue(s) I am addressing. IMO it gives the reader a clear continuum of subject matter and ideas. Usually I will put my response in blue below the sender's black type. Sometime it makes more sense to me to address an e-mail by it's individual components, and you will see black lines followed by blue lines followed by black lines followed . . . As for my bad jokes, horribly unfunny dissertsations and gawdawful puns, I suspect both Ettiquette and Nettiquette hit men have been sent out to restore sanity, decorum and good taste in the world. The Zap List is much too an important forum for any of us to worry about matters not germane to our ICD's and the lives they have given us. We're grown-ups here. If there is indeed something said that evokes personal offense, then let's agree to take the issue to the individual on a one-on-one

basis. My standards (Well I really don't have any standards as you all know from my posts.) are not meant to be your standards. From California where Post was never accepted by NYC cab drivers because they could never learn that it was the pinky you stuck up in the air. BillHi BillSo glad you wrote. I sent the forward about the new health bill.I did not intend to spam or politicize this group. From what I've heard no one as yet has read the bill or gotten a copy of it.This was read on Fox news last night that included the page #'s & all. They were reading several parts of the bill on the air. Believing others in this group would want to know more as well. I was thinking in terms of our health is more costly than the average Joe. I have been in this group several years & have never sent a forward before

except on some vitamin info I'd found.I have not voted for Republicans or Democrats in over 10 years. I have been fed up with both of them that long. But the things they while in office means a lot to our lives. President Bush caused me to loose nearly everything with the bankruptcy laws he wrote in.Your right, I shouldn't have left everyone address's to be seen. I'm sorry.But I'm more sorry I offended the group.Rhonda

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I totally forgive you Rhonda...{In my opinion} you did nothing wrong....

I have a question though...... when did this group get so uptight?

Vee

From: Rhonda <neighborhoodpoly@...>Subject: Re: Ettiquette, Nettiquette, Betterquit Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:12 PM

From: MARTHA or BILL MAHAN <billandmarthamahan@ PRODIGY.NET>"@group s.com" <@groups .com>Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:50:26 PMSubject: Ettiquette, Nettiquette, Betterquit

Most of us are old enough to have been taught the basics of ettiquette.. Some of us even remember Post. Ettiquette is a good thing. It not only teaches us how to behave with respect to others, but it also provides an accepted format for dealings with those we encounter in life. Ettiquette is good.

Nettiquette is the out of wedlock child of Ettiquette and the impersonal and irresponsible gone-by-the- morning-light bachelor named Technology. Fortunately Nettiquette rose from such an embarrassing ancestry to be a cultured lady in and of herself. She is not her mother, Ettiquette, but she does have her own similar qualities that are importnt to all those around her. While not the genteel guide that her mother is, Nettiquette has her own place and her own followers.

But there is a difference.

Ettiquette involves serious direct contact with people, mostly in person and/or with someone with whom uyou have or will have some sort of relationship. Nettiquette very often deals with people who only supply you with an alias followed by an "@" sign.

Like almost everyone I know on line, I try to stay within the bounds set by both Ettiquette and Nettiquette. And like most people, I don't slways succeed. Sometimes it is an oversight, and sometimes I just make a decision to do it my way because I think that suits my needs in communicating to others. there is no intent to be rude, and if i am aware of any rudeness, I will apologize. Sometimes it is simply a matter of human error and a mechanical keyboard combining to produce either a QUERTY quagmire of quirky quips, an sometimes it is just lack of thought or paying attention. I suspect that is true of everyone.

Regarding the editing out of unessential parts--especially other people's e-mail addresses--from items forwarded from one e-mail contact to others, that should be a given for all. Even the most careful of corrrespondnts can slip once in a while.

But nettiquette form for the sdake of form does not seem to me to be anything to get one's knickers in a twist. We are not governed in any way by nettiquette, and if someone wants to excise us from their computers before ever reading our e-mails, that's easy enough to do, It's a lot more good ettiquette to do that than it is to complain on a public forum.

Someone here seemed to be very concerned about whether one put their response aove or below the original message. This is important? I see no rudeness in doing it however one wants, and certainly no harm is done. If we are capable of understanding someone's message, then we are also capable of deciding how we are going to answer it.

for my part, I prefer to answer a message below the issue(s) I am addressing. IMO it gives the reader a clear continuum of subject matter and ideas. Usually I will put my response in blue below the sender's black type. Sometime it makes more sense to me to address an e-mail by it's individual components, and you will see black lines followed by blue lines followed by black lines followed . . .

As for my bad jokes, horribly unfunny dissertsations and gawdawful puns, I suspect both Ettiquette and Nettiquette hit men have been sent out to restore sanity, decorum and good taste in the world.

The Zap List is much too an important forum for any of us to worry about matters not germane to our ICD's and the lives they have given us. We're grown-ups here. If there is indeed something said that evokes personal offense, then let's agree to take the issue to the individual on a one-on-one basis. My standards (Well I really don't have any standards as you all know from my posts.) are not meant to be your standards.

From California where Post was never accepted by NYC cab drivers because they could never learn that it was the pinky you stuck up in the air.

BillHi BillSo glad you wrote. I sent the forward about the new health bill.I did not intend to spam or politicize this group. From what I've heard no one as yet has read the bill or gotten a copy of it.This was read on Fox news last night that included the page #'s & all. They were reading several parts of the bill on the air. Believing others in this group would want to know more as well. I was thinking in terms of our health is more costly than the average Joe. I have been in this group several years & have never sent a forward before except on some vitamin info I'd found.I have not voted for Republicans or Democrats in over 10 years. I have been fed up with both of them that long. But the things they while in office means a lot to our lives. President Bush caused me to loose nearly everything with the bankruptcy laws he wrote in.Your right, I shouldn't

have left everyone address's to be seen. I'm sorry.But I'm more sorry I offended the group.Rhonda

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is there a message here? if I don't hear it start when I click the post open, I assume the post got sent by mistake before the poster had time to write something. So I hit Escape to close it then delete the email.scaope

thank you,

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Ettiquette, Nettiquette, Betterquit

Most of us are old enough to have been taught the basics of ettiquette. Some of us even remember Post. Ettiquette is a good thing. It not only teaches us how to behave with respect to others, but it also provides an accepted format for dealings with those we encounter in life. Ettiquette is good.

Nettiquette is the out of wedlock child of Ettiquette and the impersonal and irresponsible gone-by-the- morning-light bachelor named Technology. Fortunately Nettiquette rose from such an embarrassing ancestry to be a cultured lady in and of herself. She is not her mother, Ettiquette, but she does have her own similar qualities that are importnt to all those around her. While not the genteel guide that her mother is, Nettiquette has her own place and her own followers.

But there is a difference.

Ettiquette involves serious direct contact with people, mostly in person and/or with someone with whom uyou have or will have some sort of relationship. Nettiquette very often deals with people who only supply you with an alias followed by an "@" sign.

Like almost everyone I know on line, I try to stay within the bounds set by both Ettiquette and Nettiquette. And like most people, I don't slways succeed. Sometimes it is an oversight, and sometimes I just make a decision to do it my way because I think that suits my needs in communicating to others. there is no intent to be rude, and if i am aware of any rudeness, I will apologize. Sometimes it is simply a matter of human error and a mechanical keyboard combining to produce either a QUERTY quagmire of quirky quips, an sometimes it is just lack of thought or paying attention. I suspect that is true of everyone.

Regarding the editing out of unessential parts--especially other people's e-mail addresses--from items forwarded from one e-mail contact to others, that should be a given for all. Even the most careful of corrrespondnts can slip once in a while.

But nettiquette form for the sdake of form does not seem to me to be anything to get one's knickers in a twist. We are not governed in any way by nettiquette, and if someone wants to excise us from their computers before ever reading our e-mails, that's easy enough to do, It's a lot more good ettiquette to do that than it is to complain on a public forum.

Someone here seemed to be very concerned about whether one put their response aove or below the original message. This is important? I see no rudeness in doing it however one wants, and certainly no harm is done. If we are capable of understanding someone's message, then we are also capable of deciding how we are going to answer it.

for my part, I prefer to answer a message below the issue(s) I am addressing. IMO it gives the reader a clear continuum of subject matter and ideas. Usually I will put my response in blue below the sender's black type. Sometime it makes more sense to me to address an e-mail by it's individual components, and you will see black lines followed by blue lines followed by black lines followed . . .

As for my bad jokes, horribly unfunny dissertsations and gawdawful puns, I suspect both Ettiquette and Nettiquette hit men have been sent out to restore sanity, decorum and good taste in the world.

The Zap List is much too an important forum for any of us to worry about matters not germane to our ICD's and the lives they have given us. We're grown-ups here. If there is indeed something said that evokes personal offense, then let's agree to take the issue to the individual on a one-on-one basis. My standards (Well I really don't have any standards as you all know from my posts.) are not meant to be your standards.

From California where Post was never accepted by NYC cab drivers because they could never learn that it was the pinky you stuck up in the air.

BillHi BillSo glad you wrote. I sent the forward about the new health bill.I did not intend to spam or politicize this group. From what I've heard no one as yet has read the bill or gotten a copy of it.This was read on Fox news last night that included the page #'s & all. They were reading several parts of the bill on the air. Believing others in this group would want to know more as well. I was thinking in terms of our health is more costly than the average Joe. I have been in this group several years & have never sent a forward before except on some vitamin info I'd found.I have not voted for Republicans or Democrats in over 10 years. I have been fed up with both of them that long. But the things they while in office means a lot to our lives. President Bush caused me to loose nearly everything with the bankruptcy laws he wrote in.Your right, I shouldn't have left everyone address's to be seen. I'm sorry.But I'm more sorry I offended the group.Rhonda

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Thank you VeeI was so startled by the email I cried. I forget sometimes people say things in groups without remembering there are real people that read them. http://rhondaboo.com/index.htmllast update 12-27-2008From: Vee Graham <vmgraham@...> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:34:52 PMSubject: Re: Ettiquette, Nettiquette, Betterquit

I totally forgive you Rhonda...{In my opinion} you did nothing wrong....

I have a question though...... when did this group get so uptight?

Vee

From: Rhonda <neighborhoodpoly>Subject: Re: Ettiquette, Nettiquette, Betterquit@groups .comDate: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:12 PM

From: MARTHA or BILL MAHAN <billandmarthamahan@ PRODIGY.NET>"@group s.com" <@groups .com>Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:50:26 PMSubject: Ettiquette, Nettiquette, Betterquit

Most of us are old enough to have been taught the basics of ettiquette.. Some of us even remember Post. Ettiquette is a good thing. It not only teaches us how to behave with respect to others, but it also provides an accepted format for dealings with those we encounter in life. Ettiquette is good.

Nettiquette is the out of wedlock child of Ettiquette and the impersonal and irresponsible gone-by-the- morning-light bachelor named Technology. Fortunately Nettiquette rose from such an embarrassing ancestry to be a cultured lady in and of herself. She is not her mother, Ettiquette, but she does have her own similar qualities that are importnt to all those around her. While not the genteel guide that her mother is, Nettiquette has her own place and her own followers.

But there is a difference.

Ettiquette involves serious direct contact with people, mostly in person and/or with someone with whom uyou have or will have some sort of relationship. Nettiquette very often deals with people who only supply you with an alias followed by an "@" sign.

Like almost everyone I know on line, I try to stay within the bounds set by both Ettiquette and Nettiquette. And like most people, I don't slways succeed. Sometimes it is an oversight, and sometimes I just make a decision to do it my way because I think that suits my needs in communicating to others. there is no intent to be rude, and if i am aware of any rudeness, I will apologize. Sometimes it is simply a matter of human error and a mechanical keyboard combining to produce either a QUERTY quagmire of quirky quips, an sometimes it is just lack of thought or paying attention. I suspect that is true of everyone.

Regarding the editing out of unessential parts--especially other people's e-mail addresses--from items forwarded from one e-mail contact to others, that should be a given for all. Even the most careful of corrrespondnts can slip once in a while.

But nettiquette form for the sdake of form does not seem to me to be anything to get one's knickers in a twist. We are not governed in any way by nettiquette, and if someone wants to excise us from their computers before ever reading our e-mails, that's easy enough to do, It's a lot more good ettiquette to do that than it is to complain on a public forum.

Someone here seemed to be very concerned about whether one put their response aove or below the original message. This is important? I see no rudeness in doing it however one wants, and certainly no harm is done. If we are capable of understanding someone's message, then we are also capable of deciding how we are going to answer it.

for my part, I prefer to answer a message below the issue(s) I am addressing. IMO it gives the reader a clear continuum of subject matter and ideas. Usually I will put my response in blue below the sender's black type. Sometime it makes more sense to me to address an e-mail by it's individual components, and you will see black lines followed by blue lines followed by black lines followed . . .

As for my bad jokes, horribly unfunny dissertsations and gawdawful puns, I suspect both Ettiquette and Nettiquette hit men have been sent out to restore sanity, decorum and good taste in the world.

The Zap List is much too an important forum for any of us to worry about matters not germane to our ICD's and the lives they have given us. We're grown-ups here. If there is indeed something said that evokes personal offense, then let's agree to take the issue to the individual on a one-on-one basis. My standards (Well I really don't have any standards as you all know from my posts.) are not meant to be your standards.

From California where Post was never accepted by NYC cab drivers because they could never learn that it was the pinky you stuck up in the air.

BillHi BillSo glad you wrote. I sent the forward about the new health bill.I did not intend to spam or politicize this group. From what I've heard no one as yet has read the bill or gotten a copy of it.This was read on Fox news last night that included the page #'s & all. They were reading several parts of the bill on the air. Believing others in this group would want to know more as well. I was thinking in terms of our health is more costly than the average Joe. I have been in this group several years & have never sent a forward before except on some vitamin info I'd found.I have not voted for Republicans or Democrats in over 10 years. I have been fed up with both of them that long. But the things they while in office means a lot to our lives. President Bush caused me to loose nearly everything with the bankruptcy laws he wrote in.Your right, I shouldn't

have left everyone address's to be seen. I'm sorry.But I'm more sorry I offended the group.Rhonda

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Bill - - I think you and others are missing the point.

One reader on this list can't read because he is blind. He uses a voice synthesizer to "read" his email, which I'm sure is far from perfect in expressing the email content.

He has asked for us to please post our responses at the top of messages for this reason. It takes inordinate time to reprocess the original messages of a forwarded post to get to the gist of the current message (and I imagine the extra characters thrown to such text makes audible understanding even more difficult) .

Seems like a simple enough and reasonable request for everyone who frequents this board often to keep in mind. End of story.

(Another) Bill

In a message dated 7/28/2009 7:51:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, billandmarthamahan@... writes:

Someone here seemed to be very concerned about whether one put their response aove or below the original message. This is important? I see no rudeness in doing it however one wants, and certainly no harm is done. If we are capable of understanding someone's message, then we are also capable of deciding how we are going to answer it.

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Oh Rhonda...don't let them get to you girl.

It's not worth your tears. Keep your chin up and just know that not all of us in this group are that INSENSITIVE! Take Care Vee

From: Rhonda <neighborhoodpoly>Subject: Re: Ettiquette, Nettiquette, Betterquit@groups .comDate: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:12 PM

From: MARTHA or BILL MAHAN <billandmarthamahan@ PRODIGY.NET>"@group s.com" <@groups .com>Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:50:26 PMSubject: Ettiquette, Nettiquette, Betterquit

Most of us are old enough to have been taught the basics of ettiquette... Some of us even remember Post. Ettiquette is a good thing. It not only teaches us how to behave with respect to others, but it also provides an accepted format for dealings with those we encounter in life. Ettiquette is good.

Nettiquette is the out of wedlock child of Ettiquette and the impersonal and irresponsible gone-by-the- morning-light bachelor named Technology. Fortunately Nettiquette rose from such an embarrassing ancestry to be a cultured lady in and of herself. She is not her mother, Ettiquette, but she does have her own similar qualities that are importnt to all those around her. While not the genteel guide that her mother is, Nettiquette has her own place and her own followers.

But there is a difference.

Ettiquette involves serious direct contact with people, mostly in person and/or with someone with whom uyou have or will have some sort of relationship. Nettiquette very often deals with people who only supply you with an alias followed by an "@" sign.

Like almost everyone I know on line, I try to stay within the bounds set by both Ettiquette and Nettiquette. And like most people, I don't slways succeed. Sometimes it is an oversight, and sometimes I just make a decision to do it my way because I think that suits my needs in communicating to others. there is no intent to be rude, and if i am aware of any rudeness, I will apologize. Sometimes it is simply a matter of human error and a mechanical keyboard combining to produce either a QUERTY quagmire of quirky quips, an sometimes it is just lack of thought or paying attention. I suspect that is true of everyone.

Regarding the editing out of unessential parts--especially other people's e-mail addresses--from items forwarded from one e-mail contact to others, that should be a given for all. Even the most careful of corrrespondnts can slip once in a while.

But nettiquette form for the sdake of form does not seem to me to be anything to get one's knickers in a twist. We are not governed in any way by nettiquette, and if someone wants to excise us from their computers before ever reading our e-mails, that's easy enough to do, It's a lot more good ettiquette to do that than it is to complain on a public forum.

Someone here seemed to be very concerned about whether one put their response aove or below the original message. This is important? I see no rudeness in doing it however one wants, and certainly no harm is done. If we are capable of understanding someone's message, then we are also capable of deciding how we are going to answer it.

for my part, I prefer to answer a message below the issue(s) I am addressing. IMO it gives the reader a clear continuum of subject matter and ideas. Usually I will put my response in blue below the sender's black type. Sometime it makes more sense to me to address an e-mail by it's individual components, and you will see black lines followed by blue lines followed by black lines followed . . .

As for my bad jokes, horribly unfunny dissertsations and gawdawful puns, I suspect both Ettiquette and Nettiquette hit men have been sent out to restore sanity, decorum and good taste in the world.

The Zap List is much too an important forum for any of us to worry about matters not germane to our ICD's and the lives they have given us. We're grown-ups here. If there is indeed something said that evokes personal offense, then let's agree to take the issue to the individual on a one-on-one basis. My standards (Well I really don't have any standards as you all know from my posts.) are not meant to be your standards.

From California where Post was never accepted by NYC cab drivers because they could never learn that it was the pinky you stuck up in the air.

BillHi BillSo glad you wrote. I sent the forward about the new health bill.I did not intend to spam or politicize this group. From what I've heard no one as yet has read the bill or gotten a copy of it.This was read on Fox news last night that included the page #'s & all. They were reading several parts of the bill on the air. Believing others in this group would want to know more as well. I was thinking in terms of our health is more costly than the average Joe. I have been in this group several years & have never sent a forward before except on some vitamin info I'd found.I have not voted for Republicans or Democrats in over 10 years. I have been fed up with both of them that long. But the things they while in office means a lot to our lives. President Bush caused me to loose nearly everything with the bankruptcy laws he wrote in.Your right, I shouldn't

have left everyone address's to be seen. I'm sorry.But I'm more sorry I offended the group.Rhonda