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Orb: something tells me that you have not read our files and links.

Please do so before you post anything else.

We urge a moderate CR program, not an extreme one. A moderate program should not affect your sex drive. One of our files contains a grim story called the " The Gray Zone " one Cronies almost disasterous experience with extreme CR.

on 10/14/2006 1:10 AM, orb85750 at sudarsky@... wrote:

I have noticed a decrease in my sex drive, which I think can be

attributed to CRON, especially since I just read the article by Ben

Best online. I'm wondering just how common this is among CRONies and

if there are any real good " solutions, " such as DHEA supplementation

(or anything else)? Otherwise, I feel energetic, require less sleep,

and overall feel very good. It surprises me that reduced calories

with optimal nutrition could lead to a decrease in sex drive. Any

thoughts on this topic are very welcome. Thanks.

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Hi Orb:

To answer, it would help to know a few stats about you. Such as your

BMI, WC/Height, WC/Hip and body fat percentage. Indeed it would be

nice if you added your data of this kind to the file Francesca created

in the database here for that purpose.

In the three years I have been here I do not recall others making a

similar complaint about sex drive (although I have not read every post

during that period). My latest stats are in the file. I am 64 years

old and have seen no reduction in sex drive having lowered my BMI from

24·5 to 21. Of course 21 is not an especially low number. But I do

remember at least one male here with a BMI of 19 who has specifically

said that he has experienced no problem.

However, I *am* aware that elsewhere on the net people with very low

body weights have reported reduced, in some case to extinction, sex

drive. But what you describe does not seem to be the norm around here.

Perhaps your post may encourage others experiencing difficulties to

come forward? Assuming there are some.

Rodney.

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> I have noticed a decrease in my sex drive, which I think can be

> attributed to CRON, especially since I just read the article by Ben

> Best online. I'm wondering just how common this is among CRONies and

> if there are any real good " solutions, " such as DHEA supplementation

> (or anything else)? Otherwise, I feel energetic, require less sleep,

> and overall feel very good. It surprises me that reduced calories

> with optimal nutrition could lead to a decrease in sex drive. Any

> thoughts on this topic are very welcome. Thanks.

>

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To the contrary, I have reviewed most of the relevant files and I

don't consider 1800 calories/day after several months of CRON to be

extreme. I'm 5'8 " and my weight has settled around 135-138. Perhaps

I should increase by a couple hundred calories per day, but I doubt

much more than that would be recommended. I'm certainly not going

hungry (eating 5 good meals/day) and I feel very healthly and

energetic overall -- I need to be very clear about that. I have taken

great care to insure proper nutrition. I did read in the Ben Best

article -- and I think he has been too extreme, by the way -- that

primates and humans on CRON, especially those at the extreme level,

have lowered sex drives. Perhaps the threshold of having *some*

effect on sex drive levels differs for different people. I have a

reduced drive, though it's not inexistent. Still, this is an

important issue to me. Thank you.

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> I have noticed a decrease in my sex drive, which I think can be

> attributed to CRON, especially since I just read the article by Ben

> Best online. I'm wondering just how common this is among CRONies and

> if there are any real good " solutions, " such as DHEA supplementation

> (or anything else)? Otherwise, I feel energetic, require less sleep,

> and overall feel very good. It surprises me that reduced calories

> with optimal nutrition could lead to a decrease in sex drive. Any

> thoughts on this topic are very welcome. Thanks.

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I have also noticed a decrease in my sex drive, during my current CR and also

when I did CR

for several years back in the 1980's. I thought it was just nature's way of

conserving your

energy (since starvation is always a threat in nature), so that more time is

spent looking for

food instead of reproducing.

>

> I have noticed a decrease in my sex drive, which I think can be

> attributed to CRON, especially since I just read the article by Ben

> Best online. I'm wondering just how common this is among CRONies and

> if there are any real good " solutions, " such as DHEA supplementation

> (or anything else)? Otherwise, I feel energetic, require less sleep,

> and overall feel very good. It surprises me that reduced calories

> with optimal nutrition could lead to a decrease in sex drive. Any

> thoughts on this topic are very welcome. Thanks.

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Hi Orb:

Your BMI does not suggest that you are excessively calorically

restricted - it is not much different from mine and is higher than

that of a number of other males here.

Age is another important factor. If you are over age 70 then that

might explain the problem.

And, as you suggest, it is very likely there there are individual

differences in the body's hormonal responses to restriction.

But have you considered the possibility that it is not how much you

are eating so much as WHAT it is you are eating? Either foods you

currently eat that it might be better to eat less of, or perhaps

foods you are not eating that would help if you did eat them?

Rodney.

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> > I have noticed a decrease in my sex drive, which I think can be

> > attributed to CRON, especially since I just read the article by

Ben

> > Best online. I'm wondering just how common this is among CRONies

and

> > if there are any real good " solutions, " such as DHEA

supplementation

> > (or anything else)? Otherwise, I feel energetic, require less

sleep,

> > and overall feel very good. It surprises me that reduced calories

> > with optimal nutrition could lead to a decrease in sex drive. Any

> > thoughts on this topic are very welcome. Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

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To reply to Rodney:

First, let me say that I have received a number of emails offline,

both from those that have and have not experienced a decrease in

libido with CRON. Apparently, the issue came up at the recent CR

conference in Arizona too, so it's not so rare (but certainly not

universal). It has been suggested to me that zinc supplementation

may be a good idea for vegetarians/vegans. I do thank everyone that

has contributed both on and offline!

Now, as for my situation, I am in my mid-30s actually, getting

started on CRON relatively early for maximum life extension (I

believe). I consume a huge amount of vegetables, along with fruits,

legumes, whole grains, nuts, and some isolated soy protein (flax

too, of course). The only foods I consume " excessively " are

vegetables. I have taken care to make my diet as varied as

possible, given the fact that I am vegan. I certainly do not

attribute any decrease in libido as due to being vegan, because I

have been so for well over a decade. I exercise 5-6 times per week

for about 30-60 minutes each session. My pre-CRON diet was healthy,

but not as healthy as my current CRON diet. Like I said, overall I

have plenty of energy and feel very good. I'm not going to give up

on CRON, that's for sure, but I may need to increase my calories a

bit or supplement.

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> > > I have noticed a decrease in my sex drive, which I think can be

> > > attributed to CRON, especially since I just read the article

by

> Ben

> > > Best online. I'm wondering just how common this is among

CRONies

> and

> > > if there are any real good " solutions, " such as DHEA

> supplementation

> > > (or anything else)? Otherwise, I feel energetic, require less

> sleep,

> > > and overall feel very good. It surprises me that reduced

calories

> > > with optimal nutrition could lead to a decrease in sex drive.

Any

> > > thoughts on this topic are very welcome. Thanks.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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There is only one reason that a healthy mid 30's yo man who has just started CRON has a decrease in sex drive. And that's because you're not eating enough. I am aware of the discussion about sex drive that was discussed at the conference and it's a lot of rationalization (including the zinc supplementation) and very little science. Of course if there's any science behind it, then someone by all means, please post it.

If you've just started CR and find you have a decreased sex drive, then for goodness sakes, why not look at the obvious? If it walks like a duck...........

on 10/16/2006 9:29 PM, orb85750 at sudarsky@... wrote:

I'm not going to give up

on CRON, that's for sure, but I may need to increase my calories a

bit or supplement.

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Hi folks:

Regarding zinc supplementation .......... I first got involved

investigating CRON about the same time I first did a serious

assessment of my dietary intake, putting everything I ate for a full

month into Fitday, about four years ago. I found only two

deficiencies, calcium and zinc. In both cases my intake was 50%

below the north american RDAs. I now supplement them both just up to

the RDA. (Excessive intake of either of these can also cause serious

problems according to most sources). But I hadn't had an issue with

sex drive so, at least for me, a zinc deficiency does not precipitate

that kind of problem.

[i was not deficient in vitamin E only because I had long been

supplementing it. And I wasn't deficient in vitamin D only because I

eat fish almost every day.]

Just one mouse's experience, fwiw.

Rodney.

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> I'm not going to give up

> on CRON, that's for sure, but I may need to increase my calories a

> bit or supplement.

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