Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Similarly, of course, with the japanese. Rodney. > > One of the items that a number of studies have found in relation to > the French is that the average meal size was 1/3 to 1/2 the size of an > American meal. Add a red wine consideration to the mix, and the > incidence of CVD showed a pretty good reduction. Many French practice > CR without even knowing it. > > Don White > Seguin, Tx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2006 Report Share Posted October 31, 2006 Can you provide a reference for these numbers? If Americans average 3600 calories per day, then the French consume only 1200 to 1800 calories (1/3 to 1/2) per day on average + wine calories? That is surprising. > > One of the items that a number of studies have found in relation to > the French is that the average meal size was 1/3 to 1/2 the size of an > American meal. Add a red wine consideration to the mix, and the > incidence of CVD showed a pretty good reduction. Many French practice > CR without even knowing it. > > Don White > Seguin, Tx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 The 3600 calorie number (now 3900) comes from the USDA ERS.. However it is what is known as 'availability' data.. Which is the amount produced by the food industry and made 'available' for us to eat. They estimate we actually consume 2/3 of that amount. Consumption studies but the number closer to 2300 Jeff. [ ] Re: French paradox Can you provide a reference for these numbers? If Americans average 3600 calories per day, then the French consume only 1200 to 1800 calories (1/3 to 1/2) per day on average + wine calories? That is surprising. > > One of the items that a number of studies have found in relation to > the French is that the average meal size was 1/3 to 1/2 the size of an > American meal. Add a red wine consideration to the mix, and the > incidence of CVD showed a pretty good reduction. Many French practice > CR without even knowing it. > > Don White > Seguin, Tx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 If you are correct about the 2300 calorie average -- seems too low to me -- that would mean our French counterparts are consuming 770 to 1150 calories per day (plus wine) if their meals are 1/3 to 1/2 the size of ours. Clearly, some premise here is incorrect. > > > > One of the items that a number of studies have found in relation to > > the French is that the average meal size was 1/3 to 1/2 the size of > an > > American meal. Add a red wine consideration to the mix, and the > > incidence of CVD showed a pretty good reduction. Many French practice > > CR without even knowing it. > > > > Don White > > Seguin, Tx > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 I dont think the problem is the US estimates... i think it is the 1/3 to 1/2 comment about the French.. (the average of the below, estimating equal contribution, is 2300)... Also as, this is based on " survey " data, the numbers may be slightly low, as people tend to underestimate their intake. From The NCHS.. February 5, 2004 Trends in Intake of Energy and Macronutrients, United States, 1971-2000, Morbidity Mortality Weekly Report. Volume 53(04), February 6, 2004. Americans are consuming more calories than they did 30 years ago, and the rate of increase is three times greater in women than men, according to the latest analysis of the diet of the U.S. population published in the February 6 issue of Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. The study finds U.S. women increased their daily calorie consumption 22 percent between 1971 and 2000, from 1542 calories per day to 1877 calories. During the same period the calorie intake for men increased 7 percent from 2450 calories per day to 2618 calories United States Department of Agriculture Chapter 2 Profiling Food Consumption in America Americans at the beginning of the 21st century are consuming more food and several hundred more calories per person per day than did their counterparts in the late 1950s (when per capita calorie consumption was at the lowest level in the last century), or even in the 1970s. The aggregate food supply in 2000 provided 3,800 calories per person per day, 500 calories above the 1970 level and 800 calories above the record low in 1957 and 1958. (fig. 2-1) Of that 3,800 calories, USDA’s Economic Research Service (ERS) estimates that roughly 1,100 calories were lost to spoilage, plate waste, and cooking and other losses, putting dietary intake of calories in 2000 at just under 2,700 calories per person per day. ERS data suggest that average daily calorie intake increased by 24.5 percent, or about 530 calories, between 1970 and 2000. Of that 24.5-percent increase, grains (mainly refined grain products) contributed 9.5 percentage points; added fats and oils, 9.0 percentage points; added sugars, 4.7 percentage points; fruits and vegetables together, 1.5 percentage points; meats and nuts together, 1 percentage point; and dairy products and eggs together, -1.5 percentage point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 a few more references on calorie consumption.. (scroll down a little for the break out) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5304a3.htm http://www.choicesmagazine.org/2004-3/obesity/2004-3-02.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 Hi All, I do not understand all the discussions that you have provided. The original state was regarding meal size, was it not? The French may consume more meals than others. Cheers, Al. --- Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...> wrote: > I dont think the problem is the US estimates... i > think it is the 1/3 to 1/2 comment about the > French.. > > (the average of the below, estimating equal > contribution, is 2300)... > > Also as, this is based on " survey " data, the numbers > may be slightly low, as people tend to underestimate > their intake. > > > From The NCHS.. > > February 5, 2004 > > Trends in Intake of Energy and Macronutrients, > United > States, 1971-2000, Morbidity Mortality Weekly > Report. > Volume 53(04), February 6, 2004. > > Americans are consuming more calories than they did > 30 > years ago, and the rate of increase is three times > greater in women than men, according to the latest > analysis of the diet of the U.S. population > published > in the February 6 issue of Morbidity and Mortality > Weekly Report. > > The study finds U.S. women increased their daily > calorie consumption 22 percent between 1971 and > 2000, > from 1542 calories per day to 1877 calories. During > the same period the calorie intake for men increased > 7 > percent from 2450 calories per day to 2618 calories > > > > United States Department of Agriculture > > Chapter 2 > > Profiling Food Consumption in America > > Americans at the beginning of the 21st century are > consuming more food and several hundred more > calories > per person per day than did their counterparts in > the > late 1950s (when per capita calorie consumption was > at > the lowest level in the last century), or even in > the > 1970s. The aggregate food supply in 2000 provided > 3,800 calories per person per day, 500 calories > above > the 1970 level and 800 calories above the record low > in 1957 and 1958. > (fig. 2-1) > > Of that 3,800 calories, USDA’s Economic Research > Service (ERS) estimates that roughly 1,100 calories > were lost to spoilage, plate waste, and cooking and > other losses, putting dietary intake of calories in > 2000 at just under 2,700 calories per person per > day. > ERS data suggest that average daily calorie intake > increased by 24.5 percent, or about 530 calories, > between 1970 and 2000. Of that 24.5-percent > increase, > grains (mainly refined grain products) contributed > 9.5 > percentage points; added fats and oils, 9.0 > percentage > points; added sugars, 4.7 percentage points; fruits > and vegetables together, 1.5 percentage points; > meats > and nuts together, 1 percentage point; and dairy > products and eggs together, -1.5 percentage point. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited (http://music./unlimited) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2006 Report Share Posted November 1, 2006 The original post implied that the French are eating much less calories (due to smaller meals) and therefore may be practicing CR without even realizing it. If they're eating more meals than Americans, then the 1/3-1/2 portion size is not so relevant, of course. > > > I dont think the problem is the US estimates... i > > think it is the 1/3 to 1/2 comment about the > > French.. > > > > (the average of the below, estimating equal > > contribution, is 2300)... > > > > Also as, this is based on " survey " data, the numbers > > may be slightly low, as people tend to underestimate > > their intake. > > > > > > From The NCHS.. > > > > February 5, 2004 > > > > Trends in Intake of Energy and Macronutrients, > > United > > States, 1971-2000, Morbidity Mortality Weekly > > Report. > > Volume 53(04), February 6, 2004. > > > > Americans are consuming more calories than they did > > 30 > > years ago, and the rate of increase is three times > > greater in women than men, according to the latest > > analysis of the diet of the U.S. population > > published > > in the February 6 issue of Morbidity and Mortality > > Weekly Report. > > > > The study finds U.S. women increased their daily > > calorie consumption 22 percent between 1971 and > > 2000, > > from 1542 calories per day to 1877 calories. During > > the same period the calorie intake for men increased > > 7 > > percent from 2450 calories per day to 2618 calories > > > > > > > > United States Department of Agriculture > > > > Chapter 2 > > > > Profiling Food Consumption in America > > > > Americans at the beginning of the 21st century are > > consuming more food and several hundred more > > calories > > per person per day than did their counterparts in > > the > > late 1950s (when per capita calorie consumption was > > at > > the lowest level in the last century), or even in > > the > > 1970s. The aggregate food supply in 2000 provided > > 3,800 calories per person per day, 500 calories > > above > > the 1970 level and 800 calories above the record low > > in 1957 and 1958. > > (fig. 2-1) > > > > Of that 3,800 calories, USDA's Economic Research > > Service (ERS) estimates that roughly 1,100 calories > > were lost to spoilage, plate waste, and cooking and > > other losses, putting dietary intake of calories in > > 2000 at just under 2,700 calories per person per > > day. > > ERS data suggest that average daily calorie intake > > increased by 24.5 percent, or about 530 calories, > > between 1970 and 2000. Of that 24.5-percent > > increase, > > grains (mainly refined grain products) contributed > > 9.5 > > percentage points; added fats and oils, 9.0 > > percentage > > points; added sugars, 4.7 percentage points; fruits > > and vegetables together, 1.5 percentage points; > > meats > > and nuts together, 1 percentage point; and dairy > > products and eggs together, -1.5 percentage point. > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited > (http://music./unlimited) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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