RE: Kinda OT - SHUT UP

[Guest guest]

Ron:

I am glad you, at least, are entitled to your opinion. Or is your complaint that you can't pull a Bill O'Reilly, and just tell me to "SHUT-UP". I will not shut up. This is the USA and I can voice my opinion in this forum or any other. Just you can. As you will note, this subject was OT anyway. So what's your real complaint? I vehemently disagree with Bush in total; his policies, his personality, his religious view of the world, and his total non-command of the English language, which is just the start of a really long list.

Have a nice day, even if you are a Bush supporter. I forgive you. And it may help to lighten up a bit, but I know the truth is sometimes hard to swallow.

Love

Dr. Ray

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I resent the partisan political commentary in this forum. For every Kerry supporter there is an equally fervent Bush proponent. Lets try to keep our discussions limited to those topics which encourage the development of Chiropractic and our individual practices. Ron Johansen DC Portland

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:04:22 +0000 mottray@... writes:

Here's the way I see it

WMD's never found. Phony rhetoric that lead to an illegal invasion of another sovereign country that had NEVER attacked us. Billions of dollars lost destroying Iraq and the loss of thousands of lives. Our National (get that word NATIONAL) guard is now guarding Iraq and NOT the USA. The blatant conflict of interest with the NO-BID contracts with Dick (literally) Chaney's Halliburton. Bush's seven minutes spent reading with children rather than lifting his butt off the chair and trying to figure out what was going on 9/11. The sequestered court records of our current president's falling out with the law (drunken driving) and his college drug use.. His "service" in Alabama Air National Guard.

Distortion of the truth has never bothered Bush or anyone in his administration. It seems to be a theme.

Vote for Kerry and and gets these hooligans out of office.

That's my opinion and I am NOT wrong on this one.

Dr. Ray

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I have serious concerns about the potential litigation limitations proposed by this administration, given the fact that the rationale for them is largely based on a straw man argument. Below is one viewpoint on the argument. Anyone else care to comment?

President Bush "Dis-Torts" the Truth About Impact of Lawsuits on Health Careand the EconomyPublic Citizen Corrects Bush's Misstatements on Tort Reform, ReleasesBriefing Book on the Facts about Medical Malpractice LawsuitsWASHINGTON, D.C. - President Bush is leaving this year's campaign traillittered with distortions, exaggerations and patently false statements aboutthe impact of consumer lawsuits on the nation's economy and health care, thepresident of Public Citizen said today."At almost every campaign stop, the president is attacking the rights ofconsumers to hold companies and doctors accountable for their wrongdoing,"said Joan Claybrook. "But in speech after speech, the president hasdistorted the facts or has been just flat-out, factually wrong."To set the record straight, Public Citizen today released a fact sheet ofeight glaring misstatements by the president about lawsuits by consumers andmedical patients. For example, in July in Pennsylvania, Bush charged thatlawsuits were driving doctors out of business, when local newspapers hadreported just a few weeks earlier that the number of doctors in Pennsylvaniahad increased in spite of lawsuits."These types of misstatements about our legal system have become a glaringpattern in the Bush-Cheney propaganda machine, and no one should be fooledby these myths and distortions into supporting policies that will be mostharmful to those patients who are the most seriously injured by medicalerrors," Claybrook said.Data show that doctors are not leaving states with high malpracticepremiums; that unsuccessful lawsuits (Bush terms them "frivolous") havelittle impact on health care costs (Bush has claimed that lawsuits increasehealth care costs); that tort lawsuit filings have decreased since 1992("everybody is getting sued," Bush claims); and that the median jury awardfor personal injury cases fell 30 percent between 2000 and 2002 (rebuttingthe "giant lottery" that Bush claims defines the liability system).Public Citizen also released a 99-page briefing book providing detailedfacts and statistics on medical malpractice lawsuits and their impact on theAmerican economy and the medical community. The book and fact sheet can befound on the Internet athttp://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/medmal/articles.cfm?ID=%2012173OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

To All;

Perhaps we should end this string with the

words of our fearless leader:

“Our enemies are innovative an

resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to

harm our country, and neither do we.”

President W. Bush at the signing of

the $417 billion defense spending bill. Positively Lincolnesque,

don’t you think?

S. Feinberg, D.C.

From:

mottray@... [mailto:mottray@...]

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004

11:39 AM

R Johansen

Cc: drmfreeman@...;

Subject: Re: Kinda OT

- SHUT UP

Ron:

I am glad

you, at least, are entitled to your opinion. Or is your complaint that

you can't pull a Bill O'Reilly, and just tell me to

" SHUT-UP " . I will not shut up. This is the USA and I can

voice my opinion in this forum or any other. Just you can. As you will

note, this subject was OT anyway. So what's your real complaint? I

vehemently disagree with Bush in total; his policies, his personality, his

religious view of the world, and his total non-command of the English

language, which is just the start of a really long list.

Have a

nice day, even if you are a Bush supporter. I forgive

you. And it may help to lighten up a bit, but I know the

truth is sometimes hard to swallow.

Love

Dr. Ray

-------------- Original message --------------

I resent the partisan political commentary in this forum. For every Kerry

supporter there is an equally fervent Bush proponent. Lets try to keep our

discussions limited to those topics which encourage the development of

Chiropractic and our individual practices. Ron Johansen DC Portland

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:04:22 +0000 mottray@...

writes:

Here's the way I see it

WMD's never found. Phony rhetoric that

lead to an illegal invasion of another sovereign country that had NEVER

attacked us. Billions of dollars lost destroying Iraq and the loss of thousands of

lives. Our National (get that word NATIONAL) guard is now guarding Iraq and NOT the USA. The blatant conflict of

interest with the NO-BID contracts with Dick (literally) Chaney's Halliburton.

Bush's seven minutes spent reading with children rather than lifting his butt

off the chair and trying to figure out what was going on 9/11. The sequestered

court records of our current president's falling out with the law (drunken

driving) and his college drug use.. His " service " in Alabama Air

National Guard.

Distortion of the truth has never

bothered Bush or anyone in his administration. It seems to be a theme.

Vote for Kerry and and gets

these hooligans out of office.

That's my opinion and I am NOT wrong

on this one.

Dr. Ray

-------------- Original message --------------

I have serious concerns about the potential litigation limitations

proposed by this administration, given the fact that the rationale for them is

largely based on a straw man argument. Below is one viewpoint on the argument.

Anyone else care to comment?

President Bush

" Dis-Torts " the Truth About Impact of Lawsuits on Health Care

and the Economy

Public Citizen Corrects Bush's Misstatements on

Tort Reform, Releases

Briefing Book on the Facts about Medical

Malpractice Lawsuits

WASHINGTON, D.C. - President Bush is leaving this year's campaign trail

littered with distortions, exaggerations and

patently false statements about

the impact of consumer lawsuits on the nation's

economy and health care, the

president of Public Citizen said today.

" At almost every campaign stop, the president

is attacking the rights of

consumers to hold companies and doctors

accountable for their wrongdoing, "

said Joan Claybrook. " But in speech after

speech, the president has

distorted the facts or has been just flat-out,

factually wrong. "

To set the record straight, Public Citizen today

released a fact sheet of

eight glaring misstatements by the president about

lawsuits by consumers and

medical patients. For example, in July in Pennsylvania, Bush

charged that

lawsuits were driving doctors out of business,

when local newspapers had

reported just a few weeks earlier that the number

of doctors in Pennsylvania

had increased in spite of lawsuits.

" These types of misstatements about our legal

system have become a glaring

pattern in the Bush-Cheney propaganda machine, and

no one should be fooled

by these myths and distortions into supporting

policies that will be most

harmful to those patients who are the most

seriously injured by medical

errors, " Claybrook said.

Data show that doctors are not leaving states with

high malpractice

premiums; that unsuccessful lawsuits (Bush terms

them " frivolous " ) have

little impact on health care costs (Bush has

claimed that lawsuits increase

health care costs); that tort lawsuit filings have

decreased since 1992

( " everybody is getting sued, " Bush

claims); and that the median jury award

for personal injury cases fell 30 percent between

2000 and 2002 (rebutting

the " giant lottery " that Bush claims

defines the liability system).

Public Citizen also released a 99-page briefing

book providing detailed

facts and statistics on medical malpractice

lawsuits and their impact on the

American economy and the medical community. The

book and fact sheet can be

found on the Internet at

http://www.citizen.org/congress/civjus/medmal/articles.cfm?ID=%2012173

OregonDCs

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of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal

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OregonDCs

rules:

1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose

of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal

attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.

2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and

last name.

3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could

end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy,

print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another

member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been

removed.

OregonDCs

rules:

1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose

of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal

attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.

2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and

last name.

3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could

end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy,

print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another

member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been

removed.