Re: OT : Military attacks Boy Scouts

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The US military is withdrawing its support from the Boy Scouts because they believe in God. I guess our military has made a statement of whose side they are on. Kind of funny coming from the "holiest" administration ever - Anglen

The Pentagon declares war on the Boy Scouts of America

Pentagon To Cut Boy Scouts From Bases

Associated Press

November 16, 2004

CHICAGO - The Pentagon has agreed to warn military bases worldwide not to directly sponsor Boy Scout troops, partially resolving claims that the government has engaged in religious discrimination by supporting a group that requires members to believe in God.

The settlement announced Monday is part of a series of legal challenges in recent years over how closely the government should be aligned with the Boy Scouts of America, a venerable organization that boasts a membership of more than 3.2 million members.

Civil liberties advocates have set their sights on the organization's policies because the group bans openly gay scout leaders and compels members to swear an oath of duty to God. The ACLU believes that direct government sponsorship of such a program amounts to discrimination.

"If our Constitution's promise of religious liberty is to be a reality, the government should not be administering religious oaths or discriminating based on religious beliefs," said ACLU attorney Adam Schwartz.

The Pentagon said it has long had a rule against sponsorship of non-federal organizations and denied the rule had been violated. But it agreed to send a message to posts worldwide warning them not to sponsor Boy Scout troops or other such groups.

The rule does not prevent service members from leading Scout troops unofficially on their own time, and Scouts will still be able to hold meetings on areas of military bases where civilian organizations are allowed to hold events.

The settlement does not resolve other ACLU claims involving government spending that benefits the Boy Scouts, such as money used to prepare a Virginia military base for the Boy Scout Jamboree and grants used by state and local governments to benefit the Boy Scouts, Schwartz said.

He said the Pentagon spends $2 million every year to prepare the Virginia base for the jamboree, held once every four years. He said the Defense Department also makes annual allocations of $100,000 to support Boy Scout units on military bases overseas and $100,000 to improve Boy Scout properties, such as summer camps.

Attorney Marcia Berman, who represented the Defense Department, declined to comment on the settlement Monday. But Justice Department spokesman said the message that will be sent to bases represents "a clarification of an existing rule that DOD personnel cannot be involved in an official capacity."

The original ACLU lawsuit named as defendants the Department of Defense, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Chicago Board of Education. The schools settled, agreeing not to engage in official sponsorship of scouting activities.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_scouts_111604,00.html?ESRC=dod.nl

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Your joking right? Our President and his administration are responsible? Nonsense, you can once again thank the nonsensical ACLU and the liberal judges that back them up for this one dear colleague.

Vern Saboe

Re: OT : Military attacks Boy Scouts

The US military is withdrawing its support from the Boy Scouts because they believe in God. I guess our military has made a statement of whose side they are on. Kind of funny coming from the "holiest" administration ever - AnglenThe Pentagon declares war on the Boy Scouts of America Pentagon To Cut Boy Scouts From Bases Associated Press November 16, 2004 CHICAGO - The Pentagon has agreed to warn military bases worldwide not to directly sponsor Boy Scout troops, partially resolving claims that the government has engaged in religious discrimination by supporting a group that requires members to believe in God. The settlement announced Monday is part of a series of legal challenges in recent years over how closely the government should be aligned with the Boy Scouts of America, a venerable organization that boasts a membership of more than 3.2 million members. Civil liberties advocates have set their sights on the organization's policies because the group bans openly gay scout leaders and compels members to swear an oath of duty to God. The ACLU believes that direct government sponsorship of such a program amounts to discrimination. "If our Constitution's promise of religious liberty is to be a reality, the government should not be administering religious oaths or discriminating based on religious beliefs," said ACLU attorney Adam Schwartz. The Pentagon said it has long had a rule against sponsorship of non-federal organizations and denied the rule had been violated. But it agreed to send a message to posts worldwide warning them not to sponsor Boy Scout troops or other such groups. The rule does not prevent service members from leading Scout troops unofficially on their own time, and Scouts will still be able to hold meetings on areas of military bases where civilian organizations are allowed to hold events. The settlement does not resolve other ACLU claims involving government spending that benefits the Boy Scouts, such as money used to prepare a Virginia military base for the Boy Scout Jamboree and grants used by state and local governments to benefit the Boy Scouts, Schwartz said. He said the Pentagon spends $2 million every year to prepare the Virginia base for the jamboree, held once every four years. He said the Defense Department also makes annual allocations of $100,000 to support Boy Scout units on military bases overseas and $100,000 to improve Boy Scout properties, such as summer camps. Attorney Marcia Berman, who represented the Defense Department, declined to comment on the settlement Monday. But Justice Department spokesman said the message that will be sent to bases represents "a clarification of an existing rule that DOD personnel cannot be involved in an official capacity." The original ACLU lawsuit named as defendants the Department of Defense, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Chicago Board of Education. The schools settled, agreeing not to engage in official sponsorship of scouting activities.http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_scouts_111604,00.html?ESRC=dod.nlOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

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>From: " Vern Saboe DC " <vas@...>

><Oregondcs >, <ang320@...>

>Subject: Re: OT : Military attacks Boy Scouts

>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:29:50 -0800

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>Your joking right? Our President and his administration are responsible?

>Nonsense, you can once again thank the nonsensical ACLU and the liberal

>judges that back them up for this one dear colleague.

>

>Vern Saboe

> Re: OT : Military attacks Boy Scouts

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> The US military is withdrawing its support from the Boy Scouts because

>they believe in God. I guess our military has made a statement of whose

>side they are on. Kind of funny coming from the " holiest " administration

>ever - Anglen

>

> The Pentagon declares war on the Boy Scouts of America

>

> Pentagon To Cut Boy Scouts From Bases

> Associated Press

> November 16, 2004

>

> CHICAGO - The Pentagon has agreed to warn military bases worldwide not

>to directly sponsor Boy Scout troops, partially resolving claims that the

>government has engaged in religious discrimination by supporting a group

>that requires members to believe in God.

>

> The settlement announced Monday is part of a series of legal challenges

>in recent years over how closely the government should be aligned with the

>Boy Scouts of America, a venerable organization that boasts a membership of

>more than 3.2 million members.

>

> Civil liberties advocates have set their sights on the organization's

>policies because the group bans openly gay scout leaders and compels

>members to swear an oath of duty to God. The ACLU believes that direct

>government sponsorship of such a program amounts to discrimination.

>

> " If our Constitution's promise of religious liberty is to be a reality,

>the government should not be administering religious oaths or

>discriminating based on religious beliefs, " said ACLU attorney Adam

>Schwartz.

>

> The Pentagon said it has long had a rule against sponsorship of

>non-federal organizations and denied the rule had been violated. But it

>agreed to send a message to posts worldwide warning them not to sponsor Boy

>Scout troops or other such groups.

>

> The rule does not prevent service members from leading Scout troops

>unofficially on their own time, and Scouts will still be able to hold

>meetings on areas of military bases where civilian organizations are

>allowed to hold events.

>

> The settlement does not resolve other ACLU claims involving government

>spending that benefits the Boy Scouts, such as money used to prepare a

>Virginia military base for the Boy Scout Jamboree and grants used by state

>and local governments to benefit the Boy Scouts, Schwartz said.

>

> He said the Pentagon spends $2 million every year to prepare the

>Virginia base for the jamboree, held once every four years. He said the

>Defense Department also makes annual allocations of $100,000 to support Boy

>Scout units on military bases overseas and $100,000 to improve Boy Scout

>properties, such as summer camps.

>

> Attorney Marcia Berman, who represented the Defense Department, declined

>to comment on the settlement Monday. But Justice Department spokesman

> said the message that will be sent to bases represents " a

>clarification of an existing rule that DOD personnel cannot be involved in

>an official capacity. "

>

> The original ACLU lawsuit named as defendants the Department of Defense,

>the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Chicago Board of

>Education. The schools settled, agreeing not to engage in official

>sponsorship of scouting activities.

>

>

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You sound upset that the administration is perceived as morals based.

It sounds from the exit polls that a thin majority of the country voted on

those very markers. (Haven't we " progressed " beyond all that? Where did our

liberal arts profs. go wrong!!!?)

Praying for God's guidance before you make big decisions is Lincolnesque and

doesn't preclude you from rational thought or responsibility.

Of course, this is nothing new.

Consider, lin D. Roosevelt's Address to Congress January 6, 1941 [11

months before Pearl Harbor]

The " Four Freedoms "

" ...In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a

world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

The first is freedom of speech and expression -- everywhere in the world.

[Take that Taliban!]

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way --

everywhere in the world. [Quran notwithstanding]

The third is freedom from want. [Managed care notwithstanding]

The fourth is freedom from fear. [Occasional wrath of wife notwithstanding]

The military didn't detach from the Boy Scouts. It was in response to a

lawsuit. Maybe it will have similar effects to various lawsuits brought by

the ACLU on behalf of gay activists insisting that the definition of

marriage be interpreted in a more progressive manner. (Spelled Coup and

Contracoup.)

But, we should get back to work as,

" Mungo just pawn in great game of life! "

(Dr. Abrahamson, D.C.)

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

503-635-6246

On 11/18/04 5:57 AM, " ang320@... " <ang320@...> wrote:

> The US military is withdrawing its support from the Boy Scouts because they

> believe in God. I guess our military has made a statement of whose side they

> are on. Kind of funny coming from the " holiest " administration ever -

> Anglen

>

> The Pentagon declares war on the Boy Scouts of America

>

> Pentagon To Cut Boy Scouts From Bases

> Associated Press

> November 16, 2004

>

> CHICAGO - The Pentagon has agreed to warn military bases worldwide not to

> directly sponsor Boy Scout troops, partially resolving claims that the

> government

> has engaged in religious discrimination by supporting a group that requires

> members to believe in God.

>

> The settlement announced Monday is part of a series of legal challenges in

> recent years over how closely the government should be aligned with the Boy

> Scouts of America, a venerable organization that boasts a membership of more

> than

> 3.2 million members.

>

> Civil liberties advocates have set their sights on the organization's

> policies because the group bans openly gay scout leaders and compels members

> to swear

> an oath of duty to God. The ACLU believes that direct government sponsorship

> of such a program amounts to discrimination.

>

> " If our Constitution's promise of religious liberty is to be a reality, the

> government should not be administering religious oaths or discriminating based

> on religious beliefs, " said ACLU attorney Adam Schwartz.

>

> The Pentagon said it has long had a rule against sponsorship of non-federal

> organizations and denied the rule had been violated. But it agreed to send a

> message to posts worldwide warning them not to sponsor Boy Scout troops or

> other

> such groups.

>

> The rule does not prevent service members from leading Scout troops

> unofficially on their own time, and Scouts will still be able to hold meetings

> on areas

> of military bases where civilian organizations are allowed to hold events.

>

> The settlement does not resolve other ACLU claims involving government

> spending that benefits the Boy Scouts, such as money used to prepare a

> Virginia

> military base for the Boy Scout Jamboree and grants used by state and local

> governments to benefit the Boy Scouts, Schwartz said.

>

> He said the Pentagon spends $2 million every year to prepare the Virginia

> base for the jamboree, held once every four years. He said the Defense

> Department

> also makes annual allocations of $100,000 to support Boy Scout units on

> military bases overseas and $100,000 to improve Boy Scout properties, such as

> summer camps.

>

> Attorney Marcia Berman, who represented the Defense Department, declined to

> comment on the settlement Monday. But Justice Department spokesman

> said the message that will be sent to bases represents " a clarification

> of

> an existing rule that DOD personnel cannot be involved in an official

> capacity. "

>

> The original ACLU lawsuit named as defendants the Department of Defense, the

> Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Chicago Board of

> Education. The schools settled, agreeing not to engage in official sponsorship

> of

> scouting activities.

>

> http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_scouts_111604,00.html?ESRC=dod.

> nl

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In a message dated 11/18/2004 7:30:40 AM US Mountain Standard Time, vas@... writes:

Nonsense, you can once again thank the nonsensical ACLU and the liberal judges that back them up for this one dear colleague.

You know in reconsidering this, I have to admit I was probably wrong. It is not so much the Pnetagon or Executive branch of our system but the ACLU that is at fault.

Anglen