Re: OT: political comments??

[Guest guest]

Well put Jack!!

> Dear Colleagues:

>

> A recent post has left me concerned regarding just how hazardous it is

> to express a political opinion in a group of chiropractors.

>

> Certainly we all hold fast the notion only our own concepts represent

> the " real " chiropractic. I have yet to meet a fellow DC who was less

> than enthusiastic about their own opinion regarding economic theory,

> political persuasion or religious belief.

>

> Reluctantly I have come to the conclusion that most will either feign

> indifference to my own cherished notions on these matters, or even

> express contempt if not outright hostility.

>

> Personally I no longer am surprised at, nor polarized by, those who

> hold differing opinions. In fact, I EXPECT diversity of opinion. I am

> thankful for this board for the opportunity to express my viewpoint

> should I choose to do so, and for a minimalistic structure which imposes

> a modicum of restraint on both my own enthusiasm as well as those

> annoying individuals critical of my so-well reasoned opinions.

>

> In a country founded on the concept of freedom of political expression

> and differing opinions, whether or not I agree with the Prez of CAO is

> of less import than what goals and activities the CAO pursues. That he

> continues to encourage my own otherwise embarassingly moribund

> activities in the advancement of our beleagured profession is a daily

> blessing.

>

> Being of one mind on any issue has never been a historical fact in any

> chiropractic group. Just as we all may make a physical diagnosis

> based on different evaluation procedures, it often is the case we

> utilize differing techniques to achieve similar goals, rhetoric

> nothwithstanding.

>

> I continue to restrain myself from posting my own enlightened political

> comments simply because 1) those who agree don't need to hear about

> them; and 2) those who would benefit most from them are going to reject

> them as antithetical to their own cherished beliefs anyway.

>

> While I maintain interest in learning what my colleagues think they

> believe politically, I urge them one and all to realize our solutions to

> complex social issues, however elaborate or intensely advocated,

> ultimately do not solve any more problems for one group than they create

> for others.

>

>

> Jack Pedersen, DC

> Sweet Home, Oregon

DR CHARLIE CAUGHLIN DC. CAC

155 NW 1ST AVE

JOHN DAY, OR 97845

OFF-541-575-1063

FAX-541-575-5554

HM-541-575-1103

[Guest guest]

Sage words from a sage fellow (it must be all that sage in his hair).

D Freeman Mailing address: 205 Liberty Street NE, Suite B Salem, OR 97301 503 586-0127 fax 503 586-0192 cell 503 871-0715 drmfreeman@...

-----Original Message-----From: Dr. Charlie Caughlin DC [mailto:caughlindrc@...]Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:06 AMchirodoc@...Cc: Subject: Re: OT: political comments??Well put Jack!!> Dear Colleagues:>> A recent post has left me concerned regarding just how hazardous it is> to express a political opinion in a group of chiropractors.>> Certainly we all hold fast the notion only our own concepts represent> the "real" chiropractic. I have yet to meet a fellow DC who was less> than enthusiastic about their own opinion regarding economic theory,> political persuasion or religious belief.>> Reluctantly I have come to the conclusion that most will either feign> indifference to my own cherished notions on these matters, or even> express contempt if not outright hostility.>> Personally I no longer am surprised at, nor polarized by, those who> hold differing opinions. In fact, I EXPECT diversity of opinion. I am> thankful for this board for the opportunity to express my viewpoint> should I choose to do so, and for a minimalistic structure which imposes> a modicum of restraint on both my own enthusiasm as well as those> annoying individuals critical of my so-well reasoned opinions.>> In a country founded on the concept of freedom of political expression> and differing opinions, whether or not I agree with the Prez of CAO is> of less import than what goals and activities the CAO pursues. That he> continues to encourage my own otherwise embarassingly moribund> activities in the advancement of our beleagured profession is a daily> blessing.>> Being of one mind on any issue has never been a historical fact in any> chiropractic group. Just as we all may make a physical diagnosis> based on different evaluation procedures, it often is the case we> utilize differing techniques to achieve similar goals, rhetoric> nothwithstanding.>> I continue to restrain myself from posting my own enlightened political> comments simply because 1) those who agree don't need to hear about> them; and 2) those who would benefit most from them are going to reject> them as antithetical to their own cherished beliefs anyway.>> While I maintain interest in learning what my colleagues think they> believe politically, I urge them one and all to realize our solutions to> complex social issues, however elaborate or intensely advocated,> ultimately do not solve any more problems for one group than they create> for others.>>> Jack Pedersen, DC> Sweet Home, OregonDR CHARLIE CAUGHLIN DC. CAC155 NW 1ST AVEJOHN DAY, OR 97845OFF-541-575-1063FAX-541-575-5554HM-541-575-1103OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Just so you know, based on what you wrote,

I agree with you and you must be smarter than me for having taken the time to

write it. As a group (chiropractors) we concentrate on what our minor

professional differences are and not the vast things we have in common. My

personal opinion is that I don’t think that any OT topics have a place on

this list serve. To allow these OT items just takes us off the commonality of

our purpose. We will never agree on these other topics and we do not need to.

Their will always be Christians, Buddhists, Islam, basket ball players, volley

ball players, runners and on and on. These portions of our lives do not have

to have commonality of agreement. We need to be at peace with ourselves and

follow our inner words of knowledge, not beat each other up with how the world

looks from the top of our ant hill. This list serve and our profession have to

do with Chiropractic the noun and chiropractic the verb. Let’s build

unity within the commonality and leave the rest outside our professional

lives. If these other items belonged in the professional purview the OBCE

would have jurisdiction over them. Of course, that is just my opinion.

Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO

OT: political

comments??

Dear Colleagues:

A recent post has left me concerned regarding just how hazardous it is to

express a political opinion in a group of chiropractors.

Certainly we all hold fast the notion only our own concepts represent the

" real " chiropractic. I have yet to meet a fellow DC who was

less than

enthusiastic about their own opinion regarding economic theory, political

persuasion or religious belief.

Reluctantly I have come to the conclusion that most will either feign

indifference to

my own cherished notions on these matters, or even

express contempt if not outright hostility.

Personally I no longer am surprised at, nor

polarized by, those who hold

differing opinions. In fact, I EXPECT diversity of opinion. I am

thankful for this

board for the opportunity to express my viewpoint

should I choose to do so, and for a minimalistic

structure which imposes a modicum of restraint on both my own enthusiasm as

well as those annoying individuals critical of my so-well reasoned opinions.

In a country founded on the concept of freedom of political expression and

differing opinions, whether or not I agree with the Prez of CAO is of less

import than what goals and activities the CAO pursues. That he continues

to encourage my own

otherwise embarassingly moribund activities in the advancement

of our beleagured profession is a daily blessing.

Being of one mind on any issue has never been a historical fact in any

chiropractic group. Just as we all may make a physical

diagnosis based on

different evaluation procedures, it often is the case we utilize differing

techniques to achieve

similar goals, rhetoric nothwithstanding.

I continue to restrain

myself from posting my own enlightened political comments simply because

1) those who agree don't need to hear about them; and 2) those who would

benefit most from them are going to reject them as antithetical to their own

cherished beliefs anyway.

While I maintain interest

in learning what my colleagues think they believe politically, I urge them one

and all to realize our solutions to complex social issues, however

elaborate or intensely advocated, ultimately do not solve any more problems for

one group than they create for others.

Jack Pedersen, DC

Sweet Home, Oregon

OregonDCs

rules:

1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose

of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal

attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.

2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and

last name.

3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could

end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy,

print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another

member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been

removed.

[Guest guest]

I agree. I would prefer our list serve address

only Chiropractic, and those that want to have political or other discussions

do it among themselves. The reason that I am on the list serve is to focus MORE

on chiropractic, and to stay abreast of all of the significant changes in our

profession.

Joyce Patten, DC

Ashland, OR

RE: OT:

political comments??

Just so you know, based

on what you wrote, I agree with you and you must be smarter than me for having

taken the time to write it. As a group (chiropractors) we concentrate on

what our minor professional differences are and not the vast things we have in

common. My personal opinion is that I don’t think that any OT

topics have a place on this list serve. To allow these OT items just

takes us off the commonality of our purpose. We will never agree on these

other topics and we do not need to. Their will always be Christians,

Buddhists, Islam, basket ball players, volley ball players, runners and on and

on. These portions of our lives do not have to have commonality of

agreement. We need to be at peace with ourselves and follow our inner words of

knowledge, not beat each other up with how the world looks from the top of our

ant hill. This list serve and our profession have to do with Chiropractic

the noun and chiropractic the verb. Let’s build unity within the

commonality and leave the rest outside our professional lives. If these

other items belonged in the professional purview the OBCE would have

jurisdiction over them. Of course, that is just my opinion.

Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO

[Guest guest]

Joyce, Larry, Jack, , et.al.,

I for one like the diversity of views

expressed on the list serve, from Uncle Vern’s conservative rants to

others’ more liberal bias. (By the way, what ever happened to Dr

Shephard? He was always good for a view from the right side of the dial.)

OT makes for more of a “community”

in my view. And while chiropractic is (and should be) the primary focus

of the listserve, there is more to life than our profession. The solution

to OT for those who would rather not is a limber finger on the “delete”

button.

C Simpson

From: Joyce Patten

[mailto:freedomj@...]

Sent: Wednesday, September 15,

2004 8:37 PM

''

Subject: RE: OT:

political comments??

I agree. I would prefer our list

serve address only Chiropractic, and those that want to have political or other

discussions do it among themselves. The reason that I am on the list serve is

to focus MORE on chiropractic, and to stay abreast of all of the significant

changes in our profession.

Joyce Patten, DC

Ashland, OR

RE: OT:

political comments??

Just so you know, based

on what you wrote, I agree with you and you must be smarter than me for having

taken the time to write it. As a group (chiropractors) we concentrate on

what our minor professional differences are and not the vast things we have in

common. My personal opinion is that I don’t think that any OT

topics have a place on this list serve. To allow these OT items just

takes us off the commonality of our purpose. We will never agree on these

other topics and we do not need to. Their will always be Christians,

Buddhists, Islam, basket ball players, volley ball players, runners and on and

on. These portions of our lives do not have to have commonality of agreement.

We need to be at peace with ourselves and follow our inner words of knowledge,

not beat each other up with how the world looks from the top of our ant

hill. This list serve and our profession have to do with Chiropractic the

noun and chiropractic the verb. Let’s build unity within the

commonality and leave the rest outside our professional lives. If these

other items belonged in the professional purview the OBCE would have

jurisdiction over them. Of course, that is just my opinion.

Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO

OregonDCs

rules:

1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose

of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal

attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.

2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and

last name.

3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could

end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy,

print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another

member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been

removed.

[Guest guest]

Chuck, and others

While I respect your desire to have a well-rounded perspectice, I find the number of emails coming through so daunting that it is frustrating. Consequently, it feels as if I am hunting through all the extraneous emails to find the pearls... Having appropriate subject lines does help. But I would just as soon not see a bunch of Kerry v Bush or Iraq issues on the listserv.

Thanks for listening!

Joyce

Joyce D. McClure DC PC

RE: OT: political comments??

Just so you know, based on what you wrote, I agree with you and you must be smarter than me for having taken the time to write it. As a group (chiropractors) we concentrate on what our minor professional differences are and not the vast things we have in common. My personal opinion is that I don’t think that any OT topics have a place on this list serve. To allow these OT items just takes us off the commonality of our purpose. We will never agree on these other topics and we do not need to. Their will always be Christians, Buddhists, Islam, basket ball players, volley ball players, runners and on and on. These portions of our lives do not have to have commonality of agreement. We need to be at peace with ourselves and follow our inner words of knowledge, not beat each other up with how the world looks from the top of our ant hill. This list serve and our profession have to do with Chiropractic the noun and chiropractic the verb. Let’s build unity within the commonality and leave the rest outside our professional lives. If these other items belonged in the professional purview the OBCE would have jurisdiction over them. Of course, that is just my opinion.

Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO

OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Joyce,

I completely agree. This is a professional chiropractic group and topics should be related to this interest. OCCASIONAL OT's are fine, but they dilute the ability it get the really pertinent messages across. Political opinions are extremely important in reference to health care issues. Thank you Vern! Otherwise we're just projecting more spam to consume an already too busy life and reduce our productivity.

This political message was approved by,

Ted

Ted Forcum, DC, DACBSP, FICC, CSCSMedical Director, 2005 Portland US Figure Skating ChampionshipsBack In Motion Sports Injuries Clinic, LLC11385 SW Scholls Ferry RoadBeaverton, Oregon 97008

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:55:42 -0700 "Joyce McClure, D.C." <dr-j@...> writes:

Chuck, and others

While I respect your desire to have a well-rounded perspectice, I find the number of emails coming through so daunting that it is frustrating. Consequently, it feels as if I am hunting through all the extraneous emails to find the pearls... Having appropriate subject lines does help. But I would just as soon not see a bunch of Kerry v Bush or Iraq issues on the listserv.

Thanks for listening!

Joyce

Joyce D. McClure DC PC

RE: OT: political comments??

Just so you know, based on what you wrote, I agree with you and you must be smarter than me for having taken the time to write it. As a group (chiropractors) we concentrate on what our minor professional differences are and not the vast things we have in common. My personal opinion is that I don’t think that any OT topics have a place on this list serve. To allow these OT items just takes us off the commonality of our purpose. We will never agree on these other topics and we do not need to. Their will always be Christians, Buddhists, Islam, basket ball players, volley ball players, runners and on and on. These portions of our lives do not have to have commonality of agreement. We need to be at peace with ourselves and follow our inner words of knowledge, not beat each other up with how the world looks from the top of our ant hill. This list serve and our profession have to do with Chiropractic the noun and chiropractic the verb. Let’s build unity within the commonality and leave the rest outside our professional lives. If these other items belonged in the professional purview the OBCE would have jurisdiction over them. Of course, that is just my opinion.

Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO

OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

I'm with Joyce and you Ted I for one have to many things to do prior to the state of the 2005 session...things that if we win the day could significantly help us help the folks we have the professional privilege of treating.

Speaking of Oregon politics I'd like to thank the doctors who came to today's lunch fundraiser for Rep. Dennis down in Central Point. Dennis is a PI attorney and a chiropractic patient as is his wife and children he is a huge advocate for us in Salem.

Rep. wishes to become Speaker Pro Tem which means when the Speaker is not in the Capitol he is the Speaker of the House! Which also means he will be in a very small power group who will determine who Chairs which committees, which bills go to which committees, and simply which bills live and which bills should die and never see the light of day!

ICE PAC has contributed $500 to his campaign (I wish it could of been $5000) and doctors wrote checks today at lunch THANK YOU! Also thank you Dr. Mike Vissers of Canby who could not make the trip to Central Point today but who nonetheless gave me a $100 check for Rep. .

Seems Dr. Vissers was busy pounding lawn signs in the ground for his father in law the Majority Leader Rep. Wayne ...and so it goes doctors all across the state have stepped up and started to get involved and have been doing so for the last two years....since the end of the 2003 session....and it's all going to help us more than you can know this coming legislative session.

Got a call from a trucking agency as I drove down I-5 headed for Central Point seems our $4,200 treatment table donated by Lloyd's Table Co. will be delivered to our chiropractic treatment room at the capitol tomorrow!!!

Ah....and the hits just keep coming in!

have a great Friday,

Vern Saboe

RE: OT: political comments??

Just so you know, based on what you wrote, I agree with you and you must be smarter than me for having taken the time to write it. As a group (chiropractors) we concentrate on what our minor professional differences are and not the vast things we have in common. My personal opinion is that I don’t think that any OT topics have a place on this list serve To allow these OT items just takes us off the commonality of our purpose. We will never agree on these other topics and we do not need to. Their will always be Christians, Buddhists, Islam, basket ball players, volley ball players, runners and on and on. These portions of our lives do not have to have commonality of agreement. We need to be at peace with ourselves and follow our inner words of knowledge, not beat each other up with how the world looks from the top of our ant hill. This list serve and our profession have to do with Chiropractic the noun and chiropractic the verb. Let’s build unity within the commonality and leave the rest outside our professional lives. If these other items belonged in the professional purview the OBCE would have jurisdiction over them. Of course, that is just my opinion.

Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO

OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

[Guest guest]

Ron;

The closest thing I have found to a platform position on chiropractic for

these candidates is that Kerry says he has the backbone to stand up to Al

Queda, while Bush says that Kerry is spineless. So, there we are, split

opinion once again.

Les

Re: OT: political comments??

Thanks for getting involved politically, , we all need to protect

our profession and our therefore our livelihood, and not repeat our past

mistake of either being asleep or predominately supporting one political

party. In the early 90's our former lobbyist masde the mistake of

supporting aout 98%one party that was in control, and when the other

party came into power we were SOL. It seems like either party will screw

us if we are not diligent on the grass roots level. BTW, does anybody

have any platform or candidate statements about Chiropractic from Kerry

or Bush? Ron Johansen DC Portland Oregon

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 02:49:59 GMT " schneideroregon@... "

<schneideroregon@...> writes:

>

>

> Ted, Larry, Vern, Joyce,et el:

>

> Since it was my impassioned response to Vern's political comments

> that helped ignite this whole firestorm of political polemics I

> thought I should weigh in once again on this whole subject of

> politics on our listserve.

> On balance I agree that we probably should avoid politics and

> religion in our OT discussions. I stated as much in my original

> message, I could not restrain myself from throwing in a little

> politcal jab or two myself to sort of even the playing field after

> Vern's mildly slanted comments.

> I do believe this coming election is one of extraordinary importance

> for this country and certainly for Chiropractic. It was probably

> inevitable that the passions swerling about this election would

> eventually surface on this professional listserve.

> All this being said, I still on balance agree with most of you all

> that we should now focus on Chiropractic and the politics that

> directly affects our profession. Otherwise we risk tearing our

> unified strength apart. I rejoined the CAO because I saw the need

> to unite to fight off the enemies of chiropractic and save our

> wondrous healing art for posterity.

> I will do my best to forget the sting of Vern's comments and move

> on for the good of our profession in Oregon.

>

> Schneider

> Portland

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , this is the kind of political info we need to be addressing on

this listserve. We cannot afford to be indifferent to the world of politics.

We in Oregon should be especially sensitive to this issue.(Need I mention WC

1991)

Schneider