Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 joel have you ever used a brail keyboard? i know they make thim now as well ! for all whos intrested in the asseccible part in there computer there is a text readiing program although it's not as advanced as the reader program joels talking about "sceen reader " or jaws it does a decent job at text reading ! stacie and kira p.s sorry all if you geet this twice for somereason it dont seem to want to send right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Judi, just checking on you. I hope by now (much later here I think than when you sent your posting), that you have received the call back from your doctor or you have got to the hospital and got someone to examine you/treat you. I am concerned you might be having a mini heart attack? I might be overreacting but I keep a card on my fridge with the symptoms. wishing you well. Lynda. > > From: Yardbird <yardbird@dslextrem e .com> > Subject: Re: Re: blind computer user > @groups .com > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 7:34 PM > > Hi , > > I've just lost my sight, most of it, anyway, in late middle age, and it's > very rare that an older person takes up Braille. it's a difficult and long > learning process, and your fingers may not be sensitive enough for various > reasons. Besides, there are so many technology things for blind people now > that Braille isn't much help for anything to someone like me. > > On the other hand, Braille is very important for kids born blind or who lose > their ability to read when they're still children. Because Braille teaches > someone a real sense of alphabet and language, something you just can't get > if all you do is listen to audio information of various sorts, no matter how > much information that is. you still never learn to be literate, and that's a > problem for many lifelong blind people even if they have Braille training. > All the successful blind professionals I know online have Braille education > in their backgrounds, and that includes people like corporate department > executives, lawyers and even a judge. But learning Braille early in their > lives was part of what enabled them to become truly literate people who > could have careers of that level. Very rare. > > And since I was sighted and could read print until I was over 50, Braille > doesn't have that kind of importance for me. I tried to learn it once, and > though I succeeded in covering the very elementary workbooks and lessons, I > clearly understood that it would take years of learning and constant use or > else you forget what you've learned, and there's no need for that kind of > labor in my life. All just so I'd just be able to read an occasional marking > on an elevator button, or label something with Dymo Braille tape, or > something like that. Not worth the years of necessary time and effort. Life > is short and I have too much to do. > > The voice function in a Windows computer is very primitive and is only used > even by blind computer users in emergencies, to recover from a system > problem. It's very little use as a real screen reader. There are a number of > other programs, though, and not all of them are as powerful or expensive as > mine. Also, the latest Apple/Macintosh operating systems have a more > functional screen reader function built in, but that hasn't really caught on > big time with blind computer users yet. > > Hope this is helpful. your comments and questions are very good ones. > > > From: " LIghtingpaw " <lightingpaw@ sbcglobal. net> > <@group s .com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:01 PM > Subject: Re: blind computer user > > joel have you ever used a brail keyboard? i know they make thim now as well > ! for all whos intrested in the asseccible part in there computer there is a > text readiing program although it's not as advanced as the reader program > joels talking about " sceen reader " or jaws it does a decent job at text > reading ! > > stacie and kira p.s sorry all if you geet this twice for somereason it dont > seem to want to send right > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 For starters, boy I am glad that you feel ok now! I have never PERSONALLY had a heart attack, I have had a STROKE. but my team of doctors have told me to be wary of both stroke and heart attack, and I was given this bulletin to put on my fridge IF YOU THINK YOU ARE HAVING A HEART ATTACK, CALL YOUR EMERGENCY MEDICAL SYSTEM IMMEDIATELY. The American Heart Association says the body likely will send one or more of these warning signals of a heart attack: .. uncomfortable pressure, fullness, squeezing or pain in the center of the chest lasting more than a few minutes .. pain spreading to the shoulders, neck or arms .. chest discomfort with lightheadedness, fainting, sweating, nausea or shortness of breath .. not all of these signs occur in every attack. sometiMes they go away and return. If some occur, get help fast. IF YOU NOTICE ONE OR MORE OF THESE SIGNS IN ANOTHER PERSON, DON't wait. call your emergency medical services AND GET TO A HOSPITAL RIGHT AWAY! There are others on this list that can certainly give more info or dispute what I am saying as a concern. but I am pretty paranoid about anything that doesn't sound quite right. Perhaps whatever it was was going to be a shock and got " caught " by the ICD so didn't continue? I hope I haven't upset you too much. I'll try to use a bit more tact when expressing concerns. but we all are so much in the same boat once we get an ICD, and I'm sure we all get overexcited from time to time. I'm glad you feel ok now. sincerely, Lynda. > > > > From: Yardbird <yardbird@dslextrem e .com> > > Subject: Re: Re: blind computer user > > @groups .com > > Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 7:34 PM > > > > Hi , > > > > I've just lost my sight, most of it, anyway, in late middle age, and > it's > > very rare that an older person takes up Braille. it's a difficult > and long > > learning process, and your fingers may not be sensitive enough for > various > > reasons. Besides, there are so many technology things for blind > people now > > that Braille isn't much help for anything to someone like me. > > > > On the other hand, Braille is very important for kids born blind or > who lose > > their ability to read when they're still children. Because Braille > teaches > > someone a real sense of alphabet and language, something you just > can't get > > if all you do is listen to audio information of various sorts, no > matter how > > much information that is. you still never learn to be literate, and > that's a > > problem for many lifelong blind people even if they have Braille > training. > > All the successful blind professionals I know online have Braille > education > > in their backgrounds, and that includes people like corporate department > > executives, lawyers and even a judge. But learning Braille early in > their > > lives was part of what enabled them to become truly literate people who > > could have careers of that level. Very rare. > > > > And since I was sighted and could read print until I was over 50, > Braille > > doesn't have that kind of importance for me. I tried to learn it > once, and > > though I succeeded in covering the very elementary workbooks and > lessons, I > > clearly understood that it would take years of learning and constant > use or > > else you forget what you've learned, and there's no need for that > kind of > > labor in my life. All just so I'd just be able to read an occasional > marking > > on an elevator button, or label something with Dymo Braille tape, or > > something like that. Not worth the years of necessary time and > effort. Life > > is short and I have too much to do. > > > > The voice function in a Windows computer is very primitive and is > only used > > even by blind computer users in emergencies, to recover from a system > > problem. It's very little use as a real screen reader. There are a > number of > > other programs, though, and not all of them are as powerful or > expensive as > > mine. Also, the latest Apple/Macintosh operating systems have a more > > functional screen reader function built in, but that hasn't really > caught on > > big time with blind computer users yet. > > > > Hope this is helpful. your comments and questions are very good ones. > > > > > > From: " LIghtingpaw " <lightingpaw@ sbcglobal. net> > > <@group s .com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:01 PM > > Subject: Re: blind computer user > > > > joel have you ever used a brail keyboard? i know they make thim now > as well > > ! for all whos intrested in the asseccible part in there computer > there is a > > text readiing program although it's not as advanced as the reader > program > > joels talking about " sceen reader " or jaws it does a decent job at text > > reading ! > > > > stacie and kira p.s sorry all if you geet this twice for somereason > it dont > > seem to want to send right > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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