Re: Magnets to watch out for. How big?

[Guest guest]

your computer will not harm your icd ! depending on how big your home speakers are they should not either! most every day items are not going to eefect the icd it's strong magniet fei;lds i was told when walking it a store walk quickly thought the metal detected there "NEVER go thought meteal detecters at airports ect ! you need hand searched there as they are much stronger !

From: Yardbird <yardbird@...>Subject: Magnets to watch out for. How big? Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rock concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age of the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do, anyway.But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves to disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Or is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first place?Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets

and ICDs?thanks,

[Guest guest]

On an interesting side note, my daughter's room mate has severe epilepsy, and has a device much like an ICD, except the wires run to her vagus nerve, to her brain. It is programmed to go off about every 15 min, which helps her to not have a seizure. However, if she feels a seizure beginning, they gave her a magnet which she places over her device so it will send an extra pulse to her brain. She wears the magnet as a bracelet, and if she goes to give Tom a hug she has to be careful to keep her arm back and away from his ICD.

Debbie, Tom's wife in Oklahoma.

Magnets to watch out for. How big? Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rock concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age of the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do, anyway.But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves to disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Or is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first place?Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?thanks,

[Guest guest]

,

I think you're saying that computer speakers, home speakers and other

ordinary things with magnets aren't dangerous? But that you have to avoid

security scanners in retail stores and especially at airports?

And Debbie, if sort of small magnets aren't a problem,how come she has to

keep her wrist away from his ICD? I mean, how bowerful could this magnet on

her wrist be? This is a little confusing, when I compare it to what

says. Thanks.

wriist progblem

thanks.

Magnets to watch out for. How big?

Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are

definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rock

concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age of

the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,

anyway.

But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or

even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right

of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves to

disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Or

is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so

they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first

place?

Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?

thanks,

[Guest guest]

;

The arch in security areas such as stores and airports are not a problem

if you just pass through them The Manufacturers ask that you do not

linger in or around them, as the magnets CAN reprogram your unit.

Usually what happens is that as long as you are in that magnetic field,

your unit is not able to function, so if you need to be shocked you

won't be. If you move out of that magnetic field then your unit goes

back to his normal programming. However you do not want someone with a

wand to come after to you -- those magnets are very strong and can

actually turn off or reprogram your unit.

I suspect with the room-mate and magnet is that as long as that magnet

is within 6-12 inches of her husbands ICD - the ICD is suspended as long

as the magnet is there, but is fine once the magnet is moved away. I

have gone in for surgeries and a magnet is placed over my unit until the

surgery is over. The magnet sort of " turns off " the ICD until it is

removed. It is sort of the same with a cell phone or anything of that

sort. As long as you keep the electronic 6 " away from your unit - you

are okay. I have lived normally in this world for 10 years with an ICD

and all the electronic necessities of today!

Hope this helps,

~guin

Yardbird wrote:

>

> ,

>

> I think you're saying that computer speakers, home speakers and other

> ordinary things with magnets aren't dangerous? But that you have to avoid

> security scanners in retail stores and especially at airports?

>

> And Debbie, if sort of small magnets aren't a problem,how come she has to

> keep her wrist away from his ICD? I mean, how bowerful could this

> magnet on

> her wrist be? This is a little confusing, when I compare it to what

> says. Thanks.

> wriist progblem

>

> thanks.

>

> Magnets to watch out for. How big?

> <mailto:%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

>

> I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are

> definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

> read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive

> rock

> concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate

> age of

> the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,

> anyway.

>

> But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or

> even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right

> of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic

> waves to

> disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing

> email? Or

> is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so

> they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first

> place?

>

> Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?

>

> thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The magnet on her wrist is pretty powerful, more so than the ones in speakers..(she gets it stuck to things like the fridge and it grabs keys and things) and the normal distance that a speaker would be from your chest is about 2 feet or more, usually more. Her bracelet magnet would only be a problem if she placed it right over his ICD, however, we tend to err on the side of caution and make sure it stays an arms length away.

Debbie

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of YardbirdSent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 21:00 Subject: Re: Magnets to watch out for. How big?

,I think you're saying that computer speakers, home speakers and other ordinary things with magnets aren't dangerous? But that you have to avoid security scanners in retail stores and especially at airports?And Debbie, if sort of small magnets aren't a problem,how come she has to keep her wrist away from his ICD? I mean, how bowerful could this magnet on her wrist be? This is a little confusing, when I compare it to what says. Thanks.wriist progblemthanks. Magnets to watch out for. How big? Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PMI'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment aredefinitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And Iread a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rockconcert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age ofthe surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,anyway.But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Oreven smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and rightof my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves todisrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Oris this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded sothey don't cause interference with other things around them, in the firstplace?Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?thanks,

[Guest guest]

joel i have a magnet i carry with me it's a heavy very strong magnet ! but i was told to keep it with me incause fo unneeded shocks i never had to use it yes soem shunts and enrvus brain devices use magnets ! but they are much smaller then the ones icd needs to be harmed trust me we had about 50 magnets on my icd in 2007 some big but they where nto strong enough to stop it from shockign when my wire broke so my doctor gave me a magnet so if i ever needed soemthign liek that again this one is strogn enough to turn icd off however if i''m atleast 8 inches away from icd there no problem !From: Yardbird <yardbird@dslextreme .com>Subject: Magnets to watch out for. How big?@groups .comDate: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PMI'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment aredefinitely no good for an ICD, whose

programming they can disrupt. And Iread a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rockconcert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age ofthe surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,anyway.But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Oreven smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and rightof my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves todisrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Oris this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded sothey don't cause interference with other things around them, in the firstplace?Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?thanks,

[Guest guest]

Guin,

I think I understand pretty well, although there's some ambiguity that I

just can't get straight yet. You say that the security " arches " (I didn't

know that was the terminology, and from when I could still see things

clearly, I don't remember a top section on those store anti-shoplifting

gates and I just can't remember what the airport security arch looks like. I

always just thought it was two uprights you walk between.

But you're saying not to worry too much, Nonetheless, definitely to walk

quickly through those things, and not linger at all within them? That sounds

pretty urgent to me. What if I'm in a slow-moving line and it stops just as

I'm within the posts or the arch, and I can't see that? Or even if I can? I

can see myself pushing people out of the way and yelling " let me out of

here! "

and I sure hope I don't ever go through some security area where some guard

starts running a wand over me without saying he or she is doing that, and I

can't see it. Wow. I think the lesson is for me not to go to places like

that alone, without a friend to look out for me.

that's Wopwgoing and I

Well, just saying I got a little confused by your well-intentioned

reassurance. But as my procedure's tomorrow, I'm having a bit of a nervous

night, to put it mildly.

Magnets to watch out for. How big?

> <mailto:%40>

> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

>

> I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are

> definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

> read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive

> rock

> concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate

> age of

> the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,

> anyway.

>

> But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or

> even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right

> of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic

> waves to

> disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing

> email? Or

> is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so

> they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first

> place?

>

> Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?

>

> thanks,

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Okay. I understand. Thanks.

Magnets to watch out for. How big?

Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are

definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive

rock

concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age

of

the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,

anyway.

But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or

even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right

of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves

to

disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email?

Or

is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so

they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first

place?

Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?

thanks,

[Guest guest]

Okay. I see. it has to be a pretty strong magnet and it almost has to be

held right up to the ICD in order to turn it off or, I think I understand,

disrupt its programming. I'm not sure wqhy turning it off isn't so bad, but

messing up the programming is a shock problem, though.

wure Thanks.

Magnets to watch out for. How big?

@groups .com

Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are

definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rock

concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age of

the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,

anyway.

But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or

even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right

of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves to

disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Or

is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so

they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first

place?

Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?

thanks,

[Guest guest]

joel i have had my icd wiped clean ie reprogramed by these sercity devices and they can and cause the devices to fire so yes dont go to a airport without a friend or to soemwhere like that stores are not as bad but my doctor told me to to hurry thought thim to not linger but airport i was to now secirty wands or the scaners you walk though i am to be hand searched !!!! i know it can be scarey on the night before you placement to be thinking of akll this i hope alll goes smoothly for you please keep me posted on how your doing !! and where hear all night fi you need a ear !>> From: Yardbird <yardbird@dslextreme .com> <mailto:yardbird% 40dslextreme. com>>> Subject: Magnets to watch out for. How big?> @groups .com <mailto:% 40groups. com>> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM>> I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are> definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I> read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive> rock> concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate> age of> the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,>

anyway.>> But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or> even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right> of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic> waves to> disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing> email? Or> is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so> they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first> place?>> Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?>> thanks,> >>------------ --------- --------- ------Be sure to visit and use other ZapLife.org services:The ZapperBBS athttp://zaplife. org/phpBB2/ viewforum. php?f=11

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[Guest guest]

dependign on the streight of the magnet such as mri it can actaly damage the icd m,ore then just programing however for what your worried about yes ta magnet turned the device shockign part off however in some causes the icd can fire off from the programing beign wiped ect soo the magnet i have is designed to turn it off to prevent shocks but it will not prevent other magnets or magniet forms from harmign icd or programing and causeing a shock like said about the new ct scaners they ahve a diffrent type of maginet feild one that is harmfull soem use magnetic pausles these can be miss understood bye the icd ! so really avoid all maginet but not all with ease oor reprogram your device but all have that potential to be harmful to icd and cause oproblems some just turn the icd off other make it shock

!!From: Yardbird <yardbird@dslextrem e .com>Subject: Magnets to watch out for. How big?@groups .comDate: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PMI'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment aredefinitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And Iread a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rockconcert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age ofthe surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,anyway.But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Oreven smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and rightof my computer's monitor? Are they

emanating strong enough magnetic waves todisrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Oris this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded sothey don't cause interference with other things around them, in the firstplace?Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?thanks,

[Guest guest]

,

Okay. I'm finally getting the idea. I'll b careful about those things, for

sure. And I'll check in as soon after I get the ICd as I'm able to do email

and make sense. and thanks for the good wishes.trhe

From: " LIghtingpaw " <lightingpaw@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:59 PM

Subject: Re: Magnets to watch out for. How big?

joel i have had my icd wiped clean ie reprogramed by these sercity devices

and they can and cause the devices to fire so yes dont go to a airport

without a friend or to soemwhere like that stores are not as bad but my

doctor told me to to hurry thought thim to not linger but airport i was to

now secirty wands or the scaners you walk though i am to be hand searched

!!!! i know it can be scarey on the night before you placement to be

thinking of akll this i hope alll goes smoothly for you please keep me

posted on how your doing !! and where hear all night fi you need a ear !

>

> From: Yardbird <yardbird@dslextreme .com

> <mailto:yardbird% 40dslextreme. com>>

> Subject: Magnets to watch out for. How big?

> @groups .com <mailto:% 40groups. com>

> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

>

> I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are

> definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

> read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive

> rock

> concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate

> age of

> the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,

> anyway.

>

> But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or

> even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right

> of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic

> waves to

> disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing

> email? Or

> is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so

> they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first

> place?

>

> Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?

>

> thanks,

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

I'll be sure to get careful instructions from my electrophysiologist.

Thanks.

Magnets to watch out for. How big?

@groups .com

Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are

definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rock

concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age of

the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,

anyway.

But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or

even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right

of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves to

disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Or

is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so

they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first

place?

Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?

thanks,

[Guest guest]

, the operation tomorrow should be short, over before you know it.

when I had mine, I think it wasn't even an hour, and I slept through

it all. I even went home about 5 or 6 hours later.

I found that keeping that arm in a sling afterwards helps a lot as you

will be told that you shouldn't raise your arm above your shoulder for

a month or so. The reason for that is so that the leads have time to

heal. It'll be explained to you, and if not, just ask them about it.

We will be here waiting to hear from you when you get home. all the

best. Lynda.

>

> From: Yardbird <yardbird@dslextrem e .com>

> Subject: Magnets to watch out for. How big?

> @groups .com

> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

>

> I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI

equipment are

> definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

> read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to

massive rock

> concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate

age of

> the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning

to do,

> anyway.

>

> But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo

speakers? Or

> even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and

right

> of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic

waves to

> disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing

email? Or

> is this question moot because computer speakers are generally

shielded so

> they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the

first

> place?

>

> Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and

ICDs?

>

> thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

thanks for the good wishes. My own EP told me, after I told him everyone on

the list had talked about how you can't raise your arm, and so forth, he

said he knew what I was talking about but that wasn't going to be an issue,

so far as he was concerned. And although the actual operation may take only

about an hour, according to him, they want to keep me at the hospital

overnight for observation, they say. I suspect it may have something to do

with the rough financial times even major big city hospitals of high repute,

like Cedars-Sinai, are having lately. But a one-night stay is tolerable, I

guess, as long as they're looking after me nicely. And giving me plenty of

Vicodan or whatever. severe pain I definitely am not eager for, if it's not

necessary.

P.S. could I possibly influence you to put the double m in your email

handle? You should hear my screen reader taking it seriously. " the Number on

leaming, " it says. nothing you can do about the sound of the e disappearing

from that string as the program struggles to make sense of that phonetic

text string, but " lemming " would be nice. Sorry to tease.

and I'll have to hear the story behind your calling yourself a big lemming

in the first place. What cliff did you run over with everybody else?

Magnets to watch out for. How big?

> @groups .com

> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

>

> I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI

equipment are

> definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

> read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to

massive rock

> concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate

age of

> the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning

to do,

> anyway.

>

> But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo

speakers? Or

> even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and

right

> of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic

waves to

> disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing

email? Or

> is this question moot because computer speakers are generally

shielded so

> they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the

first

> place?

>

> Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and

ICDs?

>

> thanks,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

When I first received my ICD I was told that there was a magnet that could

be placed over the chest to cause the ICD to beep to test it. They didn't

give them to patients because some patients thought it was neat to show

their friends and would use up the battery needlessly.

I have had my ICD for three and a half years and the only time I am a little

concerned is when I am carrying the sub woofer for my PC. I just make sure

that I don't carry it near my chest.

The amusement park near me now scans all visitors and I had my ICD card all

ready to show them so I would not need walk through the normal security. I

just mentioned that I had the ICD and they quickly walked me to another area

for a special search where they were very careful of the ICD. I was

impressed that if the amusement park staff was that well trained. I guess a

terrorist could claim they had an ICD and get the special treatment because

they didn't even look at my ICD card. Maybe I just have an honest face?

LOL

Joe Schmidt

God Loves Us All

But isn't always happy with us!

Re: Magnets to watch out for. How big?

,

I think you're saying that computer speakers, home speakers and other

ordinary things with magnets aren't dangerous? But that you have to avoid

security scanners in retail stores and especially at airports?

And Debbie, if sort of small magnets aren't a problem,how come she has to

keep her wrist away from his ICD? I mean, how bowerful could this magnet on

her wrist be? This is a little confusing, when I compare it to what

says. Thanks.

wriist progblem

thanks.

Magnets to watch out for. How big?

Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are

definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rock

concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age of

the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,

anyway.

But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or

even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right

of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves to

disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Or

is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so

they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first

place?

Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?

thanks,

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Even small magnets can interfere with electronic implanted devices.

Here is an article released a few months ago warning that ear buds

from your iPod can affect your device. It is not only the size of the

magnet to consider but also the material that it is made from.

Guy

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/nov/10/ipod-digital-music-

pacemaker

>

> From: Yardbird <yardbird@...>

> Subject: Magnets to watch out for. How big?

>

> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI

equipment are

> definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt.

And I

> read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to

massive rock

> concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the

approximate age of

> the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning

to do,

> anyway.

>

> But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo

speakers? Or

> even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left

and right

> of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic

waves to

> disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing

email? Or

> is this question moot because computer speakers are generally

shielded so

> they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the

first

> place?

>

> Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets

and ICDs?

>

> thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

thank thats very good to know i never knew about the sm,aller maginets causeing a problem but have heard the bigger maginets do thinks for the info !

From: Guy Scardina <guys101@...>Subject: Re: Magnets to watch out for. How big? Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 9:45 AM

Even small magnets can interfere with electronic implanted devices. Here is an article released a few months ago warning that ear buds from your iPod can affect your device. It is not only the size of the magnet to consider but also the material that it is made from.Guyhttp://www.guardian .co.uk/technolog y/2008/nov/ 10/ipod-digital- music-pacemaker> > From: Yardbird <yardbird@.. .>> Subject: Magnets to watch out for. How big?> @groups .com> Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM> > > > > > > I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are> definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I> read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rock> concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age of> the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really

planning to do,> anyway.> > But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or> even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right> of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves to> disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Or> is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so> they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first> place?> > Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?> > thanks,> >

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Sorry, the link on my last post referring to the article on magnets that can affect ICD's and pacemakers does not work. This link should work.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/nov/10/ipod-digital-music-pacemaker

Guy

>> Even small magnets can interfere with electronic implanted devices. > Here is an article released a few months ago warning that ear buds > from your iPod can affect your device. It is not only the size of the > magnet to consider but also the material that it is made from.> > Guy> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/nov/10/ipod-digital-music-> pacemaker> > >

[Guest guest]

Very interesting article Guy.

Thanks for the link.

~guin

Guy Scardina wrote:

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>

>

> Sorry, the link on my last post referring to the article on magnets

> that can affect ICD's and pacemakers does not work. This link should

> work.

>

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/nov/10/ipod-digital-music-pacemaker

>

<http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/nov/10/ipod-digital-music-pacemaker>

>

> Guy

>

>

>

> >

> > Even small magnets can interfere with electronic implanted devices.

> > Here is an article released a few months ago warning that ear buds

> > from your iPod can affect your device. It is not only the size of the

> > magnet to consider but also the material that it is made from.

> >

> > Guy

> >

> >

> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/nov/10/ipod-digital-music-

> > pacemaker

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This post is perfect timing for me. I received an electric blanket/throw for Christmas and when reading the directions accompanying it, I read that anyone needing to avoid electro-magnetic forces (or words to that effect) should avoid using the blanket. Well, on these cold mornings since then, I have used it (just as a "throw"), but have been careful to keep it from my waist down or just above my waist down and so far have had no problems. I was aware of the issue of having to avoid certain things/places due to their having electromagnetic forces, but had not heard anything about electric blankets, so thought I'd pass this information along. I don't know if there are exceptions to this, etc., and would be glad to have any further information that anyone has as to this issue. Hope everyone is keeping warm. Thanks! From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news.

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electric blankets heatign pads and messagers are all to be adioved !!!!! dor the heatign pad and blanket they cause ecltromagnitic feilds for ! the messager the vibratiosn acn make the icd think it's your heart and fire off ! as well as the manetis usealy in thim ! can cause problems and soem ahve megnetic fields as well !

From: Hope4843@... <Hope4843@...>Subject: Re: Re: Magnets to watch out for. How big? Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 1:26 PM

This post is perfect timing for me. I received an electric blanket/throw for Christmas and when reading the directions accompanying it, I read that anyone needing to avoid electro-magnetic forces (or words to that effect) should avoid using the blanket. Well, on these cold mornings since then, I have used it (just as a "throw"), but have been careful to keep it from my waist down or just above my waist down and so far have had no problems. I was aware of the issue of having to avoid certain things/places due to their having electromagnetic forces, but had not heard anything about electric blankets, so thought I'd pass this information along. I don't know if there are exceptions to this, etc., and would be glad to have any further information that anyone has as to this issue. Hope everyone is keeping warm. Thanks!

From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news.

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CAUTION! If the magnets on your refrigerator door jump off and stick to your chest, back up a little more. Consider using double sided tape and Sticky Notes as a replacement. >> I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are > definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I > read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rock > concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age of > the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do, > anyway.> > But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or > even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right > of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves to > disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Or > is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so > they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first > place?> > Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?> > thanks,> >

[Guest guest]

thanks, Joe.

Magnets to watch out for. How big?

Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PM

I'm aware that the massive magnetic fields generated by MRI equipment are

definitely no good for an ICD, whose programming they can disrupt. And I

read a comment somewhere that one shouldn't stand too close to massive rock

concert speakers with their heavy magnets. Which, at the approximate age of

the surviving Beatles, Stones and the Who, I wasn't really planning to do,

anyway.

But what about more modest things, like one's own home stereo speakers? Or

even smaller stuff, like the magnets in the speakers on the left and right

of my computer's monitor? Are they emanating strong enough magnetic waves to

disrupt my ICD when I get it, just because I'm sitting here doing email? Or

is this question moot because computer speakers are generally shielded so

they don't cause interference with other things around them, in the first

place?

Can anyone give some general real-world guidelines about magnets and ICDs?

thanks,

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hoping everythign went well !!!! how are tiy feeling ?From: Yardbird <yardbird@dslextreme .com>Subject: Magnets to watch out for. How big?@groups .comDate: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:18 PMI'm aware that the

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