Re: Re: Raison d'être -- Raisins As An Entree ( I was terrible with languages)

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" freedecastle001 " <freedecastle001@...> wrote:

> Health has a good deal more to do with the quality

> of your life's experience; indeed health may, in some ways, be more

> subjectively defined as the capacity to experience the joys possible in

> this life.

Hi All,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health seems to be a preferred definition of health

where, you may

be describing the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_life component of

health.

-- Al Pater, PhD; email: old542000@...

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As Jack Benny would have said; "Well."

Well, perhaps I started to cure my HTN. It's been 16 yrs, and I forget exactly why (I didn't know to use DHA then). I first heard of the rat experiments in a midnight lull in 1982, on station waiting for a launch. The lady said they had increased the lifespan of rats by feeding them less food.

Later, at dinner with my dr son, I asked why on earth would someone want to extend the life of rats? (please give me credit for a deeper meaning). He replied that some people think rat testing is important - easier to get volunteers and they don't have a union or rights.

But the upshot is CR is the only promise for an extended life, be it pie in the sky or not. It turns out it's not that hard to do - no taxes, less food cost, no laws broken, etc. Why not?

But added to that is the intriguing question, if "regular" food is so bad, maybe we should also consider what is the "wright" food, what is the "wright" exercise, the "wright" medication, vitamins, minerals, and in this group, ad infinitum.

I guess more than looking for health, is wondering why I, of all people, who can lift the average CRONie on my shoulder and carry him upstairs, I should have HTN. So a side benefit of CR is lower BP. No small thing when you consider almost everyone will get higher BP with age. and the drugs are not always fun.

Other people have problems with BG, obesity, osteoporosis, - many other things from which they might succumb before ever living to 100 yo. Still, the possibility is there that CR can help or cure or reduce the medication required for some of those.

The bottom line is I don't see much difference between health and longevity - they go hand-in-hand. Being blind and 100 yo is not fun, So fun has to play at least as big a role as the other two.

But there are more dimensions I think - having a spouse to share the fun, having offspring to delight, having drugs to cut pain.

I want to see my 1 yo gson graduate medical school in 21 yrs.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Raison d'être -- "Raisins As An Entree" ( I was terrible with languages)

Dear jwwright (have I gotten that correct?):

Yes, jw wright is actually my name. Jack W. if you're picky.

Longevity is simply the extension of the duration of life, as life is customarily defined. Health has a good deal more to do with the quality of your life's experience; indeed health may, in some ways, be more subjectively defined as the capacity to experience the joys possible in this life. I believe the former is more quantitative measurement, whereas the latter is definitively qualitative. Philosphically, you can think yourself into a cerebral meltdown given the hobsonian choice between a long life in a body ravaged by a chronic, debilitating disease, and a short, but healthy and pleasurable life, free of pain and sorrow. We all, at some point during the course of our lives, weigh these two extreme possibilities against eachother, not unlike the classic Tom Sawyer fantasy of visualizing the crying mourners at your own funeral service. Fortunately, for most of us, these are just intellectual exercises, and we live somewhere on the continuum where poor physical or emotional health does not preclude or steal our anticipated longevity -- others, who are not quite as fortunate, spend lonely, unimaginably tormented hours determining their own fates, or the fates of those whom they love, but cannot heal...those who have not the capacity to decide for themselves.

Faithfully,