Re: Mild CRON or extreme ?(was) Re: Hypoadiponectinemia and obesity - keeping it straight

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I think your choice of words: " how much you feel sorry for yourself " is unfortunate and inappropriate. That said: ANY degree of CRON that a person adopts is probably a big improvement in their health. As a matter of fact we have an entire file devoted to evidence that a milder form of CRON may be MORE beneficial than an extreme one. We've had many discussions about that so it's also in the archives. Recently we had a post that a mild form of CRON (was it 8% or 10%) resulted in major health benefits.

on 8/9/2006 2:02 PM, Maco at mstewart@... wrote:

The Best Way is always going to differ because even if, for example, it were to be shown that EOD eating/fasting were somehow " superior " to continual restriction (or the opposite), some people will find one approch (or the other) untenable in terms of how much they feel sorry for yourself.

If you feel sorry for yourself, you're not going to succeed at calorie restriction long-term. Similarly, if you don't actually caloricly restrict yourself, obviously you're not gaining anything. Whether 27% restriction appears to be " perfect " 20 years from now or the-more-the-merrier, as it appears now, with some kind of limit, the final tolerance/success element is going to be one's level of satisfaction with the restrictive regimen.

Happily, increases in restriction can be incremental as one's personal " what makes me feel sorry for myself " changes, one hopes in the direction of enabling greater restriction if so desired, so the crucial element, at any point, is maintaining some modicum of restriction with at least minimal enthusiasm; once that tipping point has been achieved, then all things are eventually possible, potentially. Without it, fuggedaboutit.

So probably the " best " way is always going to be an individual work in progress regardless of what might seem to be the ideal to eventually be shooting at.

Maco

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At 01:18 PM 8/9/2006, you wrote:

>I think your choice of words: " how much you feel sorry for yourself " is

>unfortunate and inappropriate. That said: ANY degree of CRON that a

>person adopts is probably a big improvement in their health. As a matter

>of fact we have an entire file devoted to evidence that a milder form of

>CRON may be MORE beneficial than an extreme one. We've had many

>discussions about that so it's also in the archives. Recently we had a

>post that a mild form of CRON (was it 8% or 10%) resulted in major health

>benefits.

That's how I look at it. It took me two years to find a way to keep my

calories restricted without feeling sorry for myself, so although I have no

idea what your objection to that phrasing is, I stand by the statement. Why

do find my choice of words unfortunate or inappropriate, please?

Thanks-

Maco

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Hi Francesca, my question about is we can say instead: overfeeding kills you sooner, maybee we´re eating just enough to live healthy. I insist it is just a question. Best regards

Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí. Todo lo que querías saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, está en Respuestas (Beta). Probalo ya!

[Guest guest]

People with low food supplies may eat just enough to keep them going.

Living to 100 yo is not so hard that a lot of people can't do it.

Regards.

Re: [ ]Mild CRON or extreme ?(was) Re: Hypoadiponectinemia and obesity - keeping it straight

Hi Francesca, my question about is we can say instead: overfeeding kills you sooner, maybee we´re eating just enough to live healthy. I insist it is just a question.

Best regards

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To answer your question as to why I object to your wording: I don't feel sorry for myself and I don't know why any CRONIE would. You certainly don't speak for everyone - but your post suggests you were doing that. I am of the opinion that we are making the wise choice - that we are fortunate to have the latest findings about health and nutrition at our fingertips. We hopefully will live long healthy lives. What's to feel sorry for? I don't get it. Do you mean because you no longer stuff yourself with unhealthy food.? I enjoy my diet - it's my choice after all, and I venture that many CRONIES likewise enjoy the fact that they are taking control to have a healthier life.

And your other point: the " more restriction, the merrier " is unproven - our file on that subject points to the contrary. Again, we have information both in the archives and the files that extreme restriction may be unhealthy. Likewise losing weight too fast. Or too much, too fast, after a certain age. I hope people are reading the posts and the files about these issues. To post as if these questions are answered means you're ignoring or haven't read our files. Perhaps you're bringing information here that you're hearing over at the CR Society ? Because here we don't advocate extremism - never have.

on 8/9/2006 3:44 PM, Maco at mstewart@... wrote:

At 01:18 PM 8/9/2006, you wrote:

>I think your choice of words: " how much you feel sorry for yourself " is

>unfortunate and inappropriate. That said: ANY degree of CRON that a

>person adopts is probably a big improvement in their health. As a matter

>of fact we have an entire file devoted to evidence that a milder form of

>CRON may be MORE beneficial than an extreme one. We've had many

>discussions about that so it's also in the archives. Recently we had a

>post that a mild form of CRON (was it 8% or 10%) resulted in major health

>benefits.

That's how I look at it. It took me two years to find a way to keep my

calories restricted without feeling sorry for myself, so although I have no

idea what your objection to that phrasing is, I stand by the statement. Why

do find my choice of words unfortunate or inappropriate, please?

Thanks-

Maco