Re: The Weapons Of Mass Deception.. I Found Them

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

Another two items as regards olive oil. The Nurses' Health Study

found that those who consumed olive oil were only marginally

healthier than those consuming the average (dreadful?) north american

diet. Not a strong recommendation, and very much in line with Jeff's

remarks below. This suggests that olive oil is somewhat less

atherogenic than saturated fat, but ............ (Source:

Willett, 'Healthy Women, Healthy Lives').

In addition, PMID 15182405 compared the differences between residents

of Crete who had heart disease with a matched control group without

the disease. In many respects those with heart disease should have

been healthier. They ate fewer calories, less cholesterol and less

trans fats than the control group.

Why were they sick when the control group was not? Perhaps because

they ate more total fat, less carbohydrate, less fibre and MORE MUFA,

which in Crete is principally olive oil.

Rodney.

--- In , Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...>

wrote:

>

> The following article just came out promoting olive

> oil as heart healthy...

>

> you can read it here...

>

> http://news./s/nm/20060906/hl_nm/virgin_olive_oil_dc_1

>

> here is my response (rough draft)... which we are

> turning into a press release today.... but the point I

> make is more applicable to us doing CR-ON, than anyone

> else.

>

> PS< with all due respect to Francesca and the list.. i

> am for warning you... it is long..

>

> This is a news story and old news... there are already

> several other studies showing that IF there was any

> benefit to olive oil, it was in the phytochemicals in

> it and not anything to do with the fat.

>

> Lets look carefully at it...

>

> >>The findings suggest that virgin olive oil has more

> going for it than its supply of heart-healthy

> monounsaturated fat, according to the study authors.

>

> Mono-unsaturated fat is not heart healthy. When fed to

> monkeys in isolated controlled studies it caused build

> up of plaque and heart disease. Its less harmful than

> saturated fat and that is where the spin is.

>

> Take someone eating lots of butter. Take away the

> butter and replace it with the same amount of olive

> oil and their cholestrol goes down. So, it appears to

> be healthier. But, the cholesterol went down cause you

> take out the butter not cause you add in the olive

> oil. If you take a healthy Okinawan who has a

> cholesterol under 150 and the lowest risk of heart

> disease in the world, addding olive oil to his diet

> doesnt make him healthier or lower his risk for heart

> disease..

>

> >>Polyphenols, they say, may account for some of the

> health benefits that have been attributed to the oil.

>

> Amen. But, you get more of them per calorie (important

> to anyone watching their weight and trying to get as

> many nutrients per calorie) in green leafies

>

> >>In fact, virgin olive oil is the only vegetable oil

> that's rich in polyphenols, Dr. -Isabel Covas,

> the study's lead researcher, told Reuters Health.

>

> Maybe, but most all plant foods are rich in

> polyphenols.

>

> Now watch carefully...

>

> >>For their study, Covas and her colleagues had 200

> young and middle-aged men use each of three olive oils

> for three weeks apiece. One oil was a virgin olive oil

> high in polyphenols; the other two were more heavily

> processed varieties with moderate to low polyphenol

> levels.

>

> Typical people eating typical diets..

>

> >>The men used the oils in place of other dietary

> fats.

>

> There is it..

>

> its only when subsituted for other fats. And, in the

> typical american diet, which is usually either

> hydrogenated fats, trans fats, or saturated fats.. Of

> course it is better.

>

> >>At the end of the study, the researchers found that

> the men's levels of " good " HDL cholesterol were

> highest after their three weeks on virgin olive oil.

>

> This is only a bio marker and not an endpoint. its

> just a number and one number in a risk group of many.

> Just because one number goes up does not mean you are

> suddenly healthier. What they would have to do is

> follow these people for years and prove they actually

> have less heart disease. But dont worry, its already

> been done. The okinawans and rural japanese have been

> compared to those in crete, greece and italy and the

> rural asians win every time. And, these rural asians

> have extremely low HDLs in the 20s. So, just raising

> HDL doesnt always equate to better health. Remember

> the monkeys above that were fed the olive oil and had

> heart disease ? Well, during their life, and eating

> the monkey diet with olive oil added... their HDLs

> went way up.. But, in the end, it didnt translate to a

> better endpoint.. less heart disease...but the actual

> opposite. And there is much other data showing that

> HDL is only protective in the presence of high Total

> and LDL cholesterol. And that the rise you see in HDL

> from eating more fat, may not provide the same benefit

> as someone who has a naturall high HDL. In addition,

> there are subfractions of HDL and the ones that go up

> from eating more fat, may not be the ones that are

> beneficial but nore " neutral " .

>

> Numbers are important, as biomarkers but dont let them

> fool you when taken out of context of the big picture.

>

>

> >>They also showed a greater decline in markers of

> so-called oxidative stress -- a process that helps

> deposit particles of " bad " LDL cholesterol on the

> artery walls and can lead to a hardening and narrowing

> of the vessels supplying the heart.

>

> Again, lets not confuse biomarkers with endpoints..

> they didnt measure the artery walls, only the

> oxidative chemicals. And yes, the polyphenols would

> have these effects. But, lets say they added 1 TB of

> olive oil to the diet and got some polyphenols from

> it.. That 1 TB is 120 calories. Instead of the olive

> oil, that could have added the same calories of green

> leafy vegetables, which would be about 1.5 lbs. Guess

> which would have more polyphenols..??? So if the

> purpose is to produce more polyphenols, less oxidative

> chemicals, than the green leafies win... per calorie.

> They would also have every other vitamin and mineral

> you need (which the olive oil doesnt) and a lot of

> fiber that you need (which the olive oil doesnt).

>

> >>Monounsaturated fat is well known to be a healthier

> alternative to the saturated fat found in animal

> products like butter,

>

> Again... a " better than " not a " good in and of

> itself " . the body has NO need for monounsaturated fat.

> The only fat your body needs is the essential (must

> have) fat called omega 3s . Olive oil is a very poor

> source... in fact, to get your needed amount of omega

> 3s from olive oil you would need to drink 7 oz which

> is 1800 calories and 30 grams of saturated fat. Better

> than butter? Yes. Good in and of itself? no.

>

> So, see carefully how the take one aspect of it

> (polyphenols) out of context of the whole picture, and

> frame the one aspect in a reference (compared to

> saturated fat) that is somewhat misleading, and create

> a " advantage " that only exists in this out of context,

> miopic view.

>

> >>>But she stopped short of recommending virgin olive

> oil as a replacement for other vegetable oils, saying

> large clinical trials are needed to see whether

> there's a health advantage.

>

> Amen!!

>

> 120 Calories Olive Oil

> Phytosterols 30 mg

>

> 120 calories Green Leaf Lettuce

> Phytosterols 330 mg

>

> Now, for someone watching their weight, lets level out

> phytosterols and compare relative calories..

>

> 11 Calories of Green Leaf Lettuce is 30 mg

> Phytosterols

>

> 120 Calories of Olive Oil is 30 mgs Phytosterols

>

> In addition, the leaf lettuce will win on virtually

> every other nutrient.

>

> I rest my case!

>

> Regards

> jeff

>

[Guest guest]

I just put together this chart comparing all the

nutrients listed in the USDA database for the equal

calories of Olive Oil, and Green Leaf lettuce.

In CR-ON, nutrient density (nutrients per calorie) is

a key factor in choosing foods...not nutrient per gram

or nutrient per serving.... (which is how they are

often promoted in the media or by well intentioned

[but misinformed] health professionals)

As you will see, if this comes through.. the green

leaf lettuce wins in EVERY category including Vit E,

Essential Fats, Essential Fat ratios, and every other

vitamin and mineral.......

Regards

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

It may also be worth noting that the source of this information

is: " Municipal Institute for Medical Research in Barcelona, Spain. "

Spain, of course, produces nearly half the world's olive oil, more

than twice the amount of the second largest producer, Italy. So

there are very strong reasons why, for marketing purposes, they might

wish to present the product only in the most beneficial light

possible. And certainly not do studies to see whether the product is

actually atherogenic, and/or ignore any studies that might seem

suggest any kind of problem with the product.

Hardly a disinterested source of information, in other words.

Rodney.

--- In , Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...>

wrote:

>

> The following article just came out promoting olive

> oil as heart healthy...

>

> you can read it here...

>

> http://news./s/nm/20060906/hl_nm/virgin_olive_oil_dc_1

>

> here is my response (rough draft)... which we are

> turning into a press release today.... but the point I

> make is more applicable to us doing CR-ON, than anyone

> else.

>

> PS< with all due respect to Francesca and the list.. i

> am for warning you... it is long..

>

> This is a news story and old news... there are already

> several other studies showing that IF there was any

> benefit to olive oil, it was in the phytochemicals in

> it and not anything to do with the fat.

>

> Lets look carefully at it...

>

> >>The findings suggest that virgin olive oil has more

> going for it than its supply of heart-healthy

> monounsaturated fat, according to the study authors.

>

> Mono-unsaturated fat is not heart healthy. When fed to

> monkeys in isolated controlled studies it caused build

> up of plaque and heart disease. Its less harmful than

> saturated fat and that is where the spin is.

>

> Take someone eating lots of butter. Take away the

> butter and replace it with the same amount of olive

> oil and their cholestrol goes down. So, it appears to

> be healthier. But, the cholesterol went down cause you

> take out the butter not cause you add in the olive

> oil. If you take a healthy Okinawan who has a

> cholesterol under 150 and the lowest risk of heart

> disease in the world, addding olive oil to his diet

> doesnt make him healthier or lower his risk for heart

> disease..

>

> >>Polyphenols, they say, may account for some of the

> health benefits that have been attributed to the oil.

>

> Amen. But, you get more of them per calorie (important

> to anyone watching their weight and trying to get as

> many nutrients per calorie) in green leafies

>

> >>In fact, virgin olive oil is the only vegetable oil

> that's rich in polyphenols, Dr. -Isabel Covas,

> the study's lead researcher, told Reuters Health.

>

> Maybe, but most all plant foods are rich in

> polyphenols.

>

> Now watch carefully...

>

> >>For their study, Covas and her colleagues had 200

> young and middle-aged men use each of three olive oils

> for three weeks apiece. One oil was a virgin olive oil

> high in polyphenols; the other two were more heavily

> processed varieties with moderate to low polyphenol

> levels.

>

> Typical people eating typical diets..

>

> >>The men used the oils in place of other dietary

> fats.

>

> There is it..

>

> its only when subsituted for other fats. And, in the

> typical american diet, which is usually either

> hydrogenated fats, trans fats, or saturated fats.. Of

> course it is better.

>

> >>At the end of the study, the researchers found that

> the men's levels of " good " HDL cholesterol were

> highest after their three weeks on virgin olive oil.

>

> This is only a bio marker and not an endpoint. its

> just a number and one number in a risk group of many.

> Just because one number goes up does not mean you are

> suddenly healthier. What they would have to do is

> follow these people for years and prove they actually

> have less heart disease. But dont worry, its already

> been done. The okinawans and rural japanese have been

> compared to those in crete, greece and italy and the

> rural asians win every time. And, these rural asians

> have extremely low HDLs in the 20s. So, just raising

> HDL doesnt always equate to better health. Remember

> the monkeys above that were fed the olive oil and had

> heart disease ? Well, during their life, and eating

> the monkey diet with olive oil added... their HDLs

> went way up.. But, in the end, it didnt translate to a

> better endpoint.. less heart disease...but the actual

> opposite. And there is much other data showing that

> HDL is only protective in the presence of high Total

> and LDL cholesterol. And that the rise you see in HDL

> from eating more fat, may not provide the same benefit

> as someone who has a naturall high HDL. In addition,

> there are subfractions of HDL and the ones that go up

> from eating more fat, may not be the ones that are

> beneficial but nore " neutral " .

>

> Numbers are important, as biomarkers but dont let them

> fool you when taken out of context of the big picture.

>

>

> >>They also showed a greater decline in markers of

> so-called oxidative stress -- a process that helps

> deposit particles of " bad " LDL cholesterol on the

> artery walls and can lead to a hardening and narrowing

> of the vessels supplying the heart.

>

> Again, lets not confuse biomarkers with endpoints..

> they didnt measure the artery walls, only the

> oxidative chemicals. And yes, the polyphenols would

> have these effects. But, lets say they added 1 TB of

> olive oil to the diet and got some polyphenols from

> it.. That 1 TB is 120 calories. Instead of the olive

> oil, that could have added the same calories of green

> leafy vegetables, which would be about 1.5 lbs. Guess

> which would have more polyphenols..??? So if the

> purpose is to produce more polyphenols, less oxidative

> chemicals, than the green leafies win... per calorie.

> They would also have every other vitamin and mineral

> you need (which the olive oil doesnt) and a lot of

> fiber that you need (which the olive oil doesnt).

>

> >>Monounsaturated fat is well known to be a healthier

> alternative to the saturated fat found in animal

> products like butter,

>

> Again... a " better than " not a " good in and of

> itself " . the body has NO need for monounsaturated fat.

> The only fat your body needs is the essential (must

> have) fat called omega 3s . Olive oil is a very poor

> source... in fact, to get your needed amount of omega

> 3s from olive oil you would need to drink 7 oz which

> is 1800 calories and 30 grams of saturated fat. Better

> than butter? Yes. Good in and of itself? no.

>

> So, see carefully how the take one aspect of it

> (polyphenols) out of context of the whole picture, and

> frame the one aspect in a reference (compared to

> saturated fat) that is somewhat misleading, and create

> a " advantage " that only exists in this out of context,

> miopic view.

>

> >>>But she stopped short of recommending virgin olive

> oil as a replacement for other vegetable oils, saying

> large clinical trials are needed to see whether

> there's a health advantage.

>

> Amen!!

>

> 120 Calories Olive Oil

> Phytosterols 30 mg

>

> 120 calories Green Leaf Lettuce

> Phytosterols 330 mg

>

> Now, for someone watching their weight, lets level out

> phytosterols and compare relative calories..

>

> 11 Calories of Green Leaf Lettuce is 30 mg

> Phytosterols

>

> 120 Calories of Olive Oil is 30 mgs Phytosterols

>

> In addition, the leaf lettuce will win on virtually

> every other nutrient.

>

> I rest my case!

>

> Regards

> jeff

>