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Jack,

Very well said. I do think it is important for each person to take responsibility for their own successes (or failures). Part of this is learning to seek advice and mentoring where appropriate. If we don't want to be "overgoverned" then we have to self-govern.

Joyce D. McClure DC PC

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Dr. Joe:

Just a few thoughts in response to your recent comments:

RE:

>>"The orientation proffers information on how not to be a "chiro criminal" not on how to practice chiropractic.

Exactly. By mandate of the legislature the OBCE has specific duties. None of those address your financial success. "How" to practice is a matter of your individual training and choice.

>>"intro to insurance groups and how to begin accepting insurance in your practice, there is no information on associateships or starting practices solo. There is no information on how to succeed as a young doctor.

This is not the role of the OBCE. Success by at least one measure, is to understand how to avoid criminal behavior. The role of trade groups and professional organizations are better fit to address the issues of insurance and practice managment. And there is the application of individual efforts to individual needs.

The role of the Roman Senate was to put the sword in the hand of their legions. It was the job of the individual soldier to learn how to sharpen it and keep it from rusting.

RE: "Young docs take away from the orientation good information on what not to do and how not to practice. How about something about how to practice, and how to succeed. "

That's the point. How about the schools and professional organizations attending to that need. How to practice and how to suceed at the very least should be considered all along the educational pipeline, not after entry as a licensed DC.

re: " For example, state insurance laws (from group, work comp to PIP) vary by state and should be the responsibility of the board to teach young doctors the ins and outs of how these things work and are utilized. :

It's hard enough to inform about the laws of the state regarding the practice of chiropractic.

what are state conventions for? what are continuing ed seminars for?

re: " Our profession leaves the new doctor out in the cold and we are one of the only professions that disrespects it's future in this way (as is indicative by the spiraling chiro college enrollment.) "

Our profession has a long tradition of eating its young. That enrollment spiraling comes after notable expansile growth over the last 25 years. There are more DC licensed in the last 20 years in Oregon than in the preceding 80 years. There are more chiro colleges than any time in history.

Re: " It's a very hard road for the new doc,blind, naked,stupid and in debt. We should do more to provide some vision, shelter and intelligence in the practice of chiropractic. "

Good point. If you made it this far, you are neither blind nor stupid. It took 10 years for me to pay off my school loans after graduating in 1978. The travails of that experience did a lot to improve my vision and teach me to clothe myself.

Re: "Maybe when these things are addressed the board will have to do far less policing. Desperation has an amazing effect on moral as does success."

Another good point. Desperation often leads to learning how to make good survival choices. Some of them are even legal. If the new DC doesn't understand t the points of how to avoid falling into a legal morass all his skills and training are wasted.

Re; " As for myself i would not be able to volunteer for a committee position at this time due to the fact that I am not still blind and far less stupid, but remain naked and in debt.lol."

You will get used to being naked just as the rest of us have. This sad fact reinforces the need for us to support daily our chiropractic community thru action and volunteer work for the good of the profession.

The 'in debt' part may be part of living in America. You will come to understand the need to say not only "No" but "Hell NO" to various schemes designed to separate you from your cash. I too had envisioned my struggles would end by simply attaining a license. I was wrong.

Yours in health,

Jack Pedersen DC

Sweet Home

Editor, Curmudgeon PressOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

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Dr. Joe:

Just a few thoughts in response to your recent comments:

RE:

>>"The orientation proffers information on how not to be a "chiro criminal" not on how to practice chiropractic.

Exactly. By mandate of the legislature the OBCE has specific duties. None of those address your financial success. "How" to practice is a matter of your individual training and choice.

>>"intro to insurance groups and how to begin accepting insurance in your practice, there is no information on associateships or starting practices solo. There is no information on how to succeed as a young doctor.

This is not the role of the OBCE. Success by at least one measure, is to understand how to avoid criminal behavior. The role of trade groups and professional organizations are better fit to address the issues of insurance and practice managment. And there is the application of individual efforts to individual needs.

The role of the Roman Senate was to put the sword in the hand of their legions. It was the job of the individual soldier to learn how to sharpen it and keep it from rusting.

RE: "Young docs take away from the orientation good information on what not to do and how not to practice. How about something about how to practice, and how to succeed. "

That's the point. How about the schools and professional organizations attending to that need. How to practice and how to suceed at the very least should be considered all along the educational pipeline, not after entry as a licensed DC.

re: " For example, state insurance laws (from group, work comp to PIP) vary by state and should be the responsibility of the board to teach young doctors the ins and outs of how these things work and are utilized. :

It's hard enough to inform about the laws of the state regarding the practice of chiropractic.

what are state conventions for? what are continuing ed seminars for?

re: " Our profession leaves the new doctor out in the cold and we are one of the only professions that disrespects it's future in this way (as is indicative by the spiraling chiro college enrollment.) "

Our profession has a long tradition of eating its young. That enrollment spiraling comes after notable expansile growth over the last 25 years. There are more DC licensed in the last 20 years in Oregon than in the preceding 80 years. There are more chiro colleges than any time in history.

Re: " It's a very hard road for the new doc,blind, naked,stupid and in debt. We should do more to provide some vision, shelter and intelligence in the practice of chiropractic. "

Good point. If you made it this far, you are neither blind nor stupid. It took 10 years for me to pay off my school loans after graduating in 1978. The travails of that experience did a lot to improve my vision and teach me to clothe myself.

Re: "Maybe when these things are addressed the board will have to do far less policing. Desperation has an amazing effect on moral as does success."

Another good point. Desperation often leads to learning how to make good survival choices. Some of them are even legal. If the new DC doesn't understand t the points of how to avoid falling into a legal morass all his skills and training are wasted.

Re; " As for myself i would not be able to volunteer for a committee position at this time due to the fact that I am not still blind and far less stupid, but remain naked and in debt.lol."

You will get used to being naked just as the rest of us have. This sad fact reinforces the need for us to support daily our chiropractic community thru action and volunteer work for the good of the profession.

The 'in debt' part may be part of living in America. You will come to understand the need to say not only "No" but "Hell NO" to various schemes designed to separate you from your cash. I too had envisioned my struggles would end by simply attaining a license. I was wrong.

Yours in health,

Jack Pedersen DC

Sweet Home

Editor, Curmudgeon Press

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Once again I'll weigh in. Read the ORS again please. These are the seminal documents that govern the OBCE's raison d'etre. There are no other meanings for the OBCE. Even getting the minimal education day through there were 2 objections. Reason? 'It's the DC's job to read the laws and abide by them not the regulatory agency's job to educate them. '

Colwell,DC

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Dr. Joe:

Just a few thoughts in response to your recent comments:

RE:

>>"The orientation proffers information on how not to be a "chiro criminal" not on how to practice chiropractic.

Exactly. By mandate of the legislature the OBCE has specific duties. None of those address your financial success. "How" to practice is a matter of your individual training and choice.

>>"intro to insurance groups and how to begin accepting insurance in your practice, there is no information on associateships or starting practices solo. There is no information on how to succeed as a young doctor.

This is not the role of the OBCE. Success by at least one measure, is to understand how to avoid criminal behavior. The role of trade groups and professional organizations are better fit to address the issues of insurance and practice managment. And there is the application of individual efforts to individual needs.

The role of the Roman Senate was to put the sword in the hand of their legions. It was the job of the individual soldier to learn how to sharpen it and keep it from rusting.

RE: "Young docs take away from the orientation good information on what not to do and how not to practice. How about something about how to practice, and how to succeed. "

That's the point. How about the schools and professional organizations attending to that need. How to practice and how to suceed at the very least should be considered all along the educational pipeline, not after entry as a licensed DC.

re: " For example, state insurance laws (from group, work comp to PIP) vary by state and should be the responsibility of the board to teach young doctors the ins and outs of how these things work and are utilized. :

It's hard enough to inform about the laws of the state regarding the practice of chiropractic.

what are state conventions for? what are continuing ed seminars for?

re: " Our profession leaves the new doctor out in the cold and we are one of the only professions that disrespects it's future in this way (as is indicative by the spiraling chiro college enrollment.) "

Our profession has a long tradition of eating its young. That enrollment spiraling comes after notable expansile growth over the last 25 years. There are more DC licensed in the last 20 years in Oregon than in the preceding 80 years. There are more chiro colleges than any time in history.

Re: " It's a very hard road for the new doc,blind, naked,stupid and in debt. We should do more to provide some vision, shelter and intelligence in the practice of chiropractic. "

Good point. If you made it this far, you are neither blind nor stupid. It took 10 years for me to pay off my school loans after graduating in 1978. The travails of that experience did a lot to improve my vision and teach me to clothe myself.

Re: "Maybe when these things are addressed the board will have to do far less policing. Desperation has an amazing effect on moral as does success."

Another good point. Desperation often leads to learning how to make good survival choices. Some of them are even legal. If the new DC doesn't understand t the points of how to avoid falling into a legal morass all his skills and training are wasted.

Re; " As for myself i would not be able to volunteer for a committee position at this time due to the fact that I am not still blind and far less stupid, but remain naked and in debt.lol."

You will get used to being naked just as the rest of us have. This sad fact reinforces the need for us to support daily our chiropractic community thru action and volunteer work for the good of the profession.

The 'in debt' part may be part of living in America. You will come to understand the need to say not only "No" but "Hell NO" to various schemes designed to separate you from your cash. I too had envisioned my struggles would end by simply attaining a license. I was wrong.

Yours in health,

Jack Pedersen DC

Sweet Home

Editor, Curmudgeon PressOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

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Good words, Jack: to put it another way that has recently been floated: It takes all of us to keep all of us in practice ... nude or clothed! Sunny ;'-))

Sunny Kierstyn, RN DCFibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon59 Santa Clara St.,Eugene, Oregon, 97404541-689-0935

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Dr. Joe:

Just a few thoughts in response to your recent comments:

RE:

>>"The orientation proffers information on how not to be a "chiro criminal" not on how to practice chiropractic.

Exactly. By mandate of the legislature the OBCE has specific duties. None of those address your financial success. "How" to practice is a matter of your individual training and choice.

>>"intro to insurance groups and how to begin accepting insurance in your practice, there is no information on associateships or starting practices solo. There is no information on how to succeed as a young doctor.

This is not the role of the OBCE. Success by at least one measure, is to understand how to avoid criminal behavior. The role of trade groups and professional organizations are better fit to address the issues of insurance and practice managment. And there is the application of individual efforts to individual needs.

The role of the Roman Senate was to put the sword in the hand of their legions. It was the job of the individual soldier to learn how to sharpen it and keep it from rusting.

RE: "Young docs take away from the orientation good information on what not to do and how not to practice. How about something about how to practice, and how to succeed. "

That's the point. How about the schools and professional organizations attending to that need. How to practice and how to suceed at the very least should be considered all along the educational pipeline, not after entry as a licensed DC.

re: " For example, state insurance laws (from group, work comp to PIP) vary by state and should be the responsibility of the board to teach young doctors the ins and outs of how these things work and are utilized. :

It's hard enough to inform about the laws of the state regarding the practice of chiropractic.

what are state conventions for? what are continuing ed seminars for?

re: " Our profession leaves the new doctor out in the cold and we are one of the only professions that disrespects it's future in this way (as is indicative by the spiraling chiro college enrollment.) "

Our profession has a long tradition of eating its young. That enrollment spiraling comes after notable expansile growth over the last 25 years. There are more DC licensed in the last 20 years in Oregon than in the preceding 80 years. There are more chiro colleges than any time in history.

Re: " It's a very hard road for the new doc,blind, naked,stupid and in debt. We should do more to provide some vision, shelter and intelligence in the practice of chiropractic. "

Good point. If you made it this far, you are neither blind nor stupid. It took 10 years for me to pay off my school loans after graduating in 1978. The travails of that experience did a lot to improve my vision and teach me to clothe myself.

Re: "Maybe when these things are addressed the board will have to do far less policing. Desperation has an amazing effect on moral as does success."

Another good point. Desperation often leads to learning how to make good survival choices. Some of them are even legal. If the new DC doesn't understand t the points of how to avoid falling into a legal morass all his skills and training are wasted.

Re; " As for myself i would not be able to volunteer for a committee position at this time due to the fact that I am not still blind and far less stupid, but remain naked and in debt.lol."

You will get used to being naked just as the rest of us have. This sad fact reinforces the need for us to support daily our chiropractic community thru action and volunteer work for the good of the profession.

The 'in debt' part may be part of living in America. You will come to understand the need to say not only "No" but "Hell NO" to various schemes designed to separate you from your cash. I too had envisioned my struggles would end by simply attaining a license. I was wrong.

Yours in health,

Jack Pedersen DC

Sweet Home

Editor, Curmudgeon PressOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

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