Re: going nuts Behavior Plan

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We used to put rewards on strips of paper in a bowl, chart the number of good

things they did that lead up to the required amount to pick from the bowl.

So, ten stars on the chart got you a grab for a strip in the bowl. Input for

rewards came from kids and ... when Stef got a reward, Jake did too (made him a

great cheerleader and tutor!) Things like Mom brings Happy Meals for school

lunch, go to video store and pick two movies, surprise present, extra TV time,

spend the night at a favorite aunt's house, pick a meal for dinner, etc.

My kids LOVED this when they were little and we really added drama to the

moment when it was time to pick!

Cheryl in VA

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Kathy,

It feels like summer break. It neverrrrr ends. I'll be

extremely happy when my older 2 get to school tomorrow. with the weather

being so

lousy. They've been in the house all the time.

Is Liam in a 12 month program? Do you like it? I have to start

looking at schools for . I requested at her iep that she be included

in art and music. Surprise it's not on the iep. So i have to call them to get

it fixed. What is Liam classification? They wanted to put down as

MR i said no. So she is listed as health impaired.

Maureen

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In a message dated 4/13/2004 8:02:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Modoyo writes:

> Is Liam in a 12 month program? Do you like it? I have to start looking

> at schools for . I requested at her iep that she be included in art

> and music. Surprise it's not on the iep. So i have to call them to get it

> fixed. What is Liam classification? They wanted to put down as MR i

> said no.

Yes, it's a 12 months program. I love it. He's in a class with kids with

speech delays. There is one other kid with DS in the building. It's good that

you fought the MR classification. I didn't know any better and allowed it.

The idiot psychologist based his evaluation on ACDS' evaluation (EI program)

because he was too lazy. As long as I got him into this program I wasn't going

to fight it. I would have done anything to get him out of my home district.

The curriculum at Liam's school is the same as my friend's son is getting at a

local school. The were on the same letter and both doing book reports every

week. Even though I liked Heartshare his new school is lightyears away from

it in what he's learning and accomplishing.

Last summer when I worked as a parent rep to the committee for special ed in

my home district a little girl came up for review. She was 8 and couldn't

id letters let alone read. She had an IQ in the 50's. She was in the third

grade functioning below K. The psychologist fought the rest of the group to not

label her MR. Liam's IQ is higher than this, but because he has DS and she

doesn't different label rules must apply. This poor little girl is languishing

in an environment that isn't meeting her needs and Liam's flourishing, label

and all, so the jokes on the DOE. I'm just so glad I won't have to deal with

those bureaucrats again.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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Why are you fighting the MR label? It doesn't seem to me that it would

disqualify your children from any program. That would be based on the IEP,

right?

If your child is being labeled by an IQ score, then it would be the same as

labeling them MR, wouldn't it?

Confused here,

[Guest guest]

Loree,

On an IEP it has a classification like MR, LD, speech and language impaired,

etc. Down Syndrome is listed just as like this: " 6 year old with DS etc. "

has always been " labeled " Learning Disabled and also has had IQ

testing- that helps us with Medicaid and getting more services from the state.

[Guest guest]

Great idea! I might havae to try this.

Mom to (9...for a few more days, DS) and Grace (7)

Re: going nuts Behavior Plan

> We used to put rewards on strips of paper in a bowl, chart the number of

good

> things they did that lead up to the required amount to pick from the bowl.

> So, ten stars on the chart got you a grab for a strip in the bowl. Input

for

> rewards came from kids and ... when Stef got a reward, Jake did too (made

him a

> great cheerleader and tutor!) Things like Mom brings Happy Meals for

school

> lunch, go to video store and pick two movies, surprise present, extra TV

time,

> spend the night at a favorite aunt's house, pick a meal for dinner, etc.

> My kids LOVED this when they were little and we really added drama to the

> moment when it was time to pick!

> Cheryl in VA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The feds don't require that disability classifications be listed on the IEP

.... you may have one without that information.

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/2004 10:59:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

loree5@... writes:

Micah is classified as Down Syndrome.

Down syndrome is not a disability classification for a student with a

disability under IDEA.

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 4/13/2004 10:22:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

<<<Why are you fighting the MR label? It doesn't seem to me that it would

disqualify your children from any program. That would be based on the IEP,

right?

If your child is being labeled by an IQ score, then it would be the same as

labeling them MR, wouldn't it?

Confused here,>>>

Labels should NOT drive services ... they are based on an individual need

regardless of the label. But here, and in other places too, labels can make

it very hard in regard to placement choice and LRE! If you have an MR label

you have to fight much harder for anything other than a self contained

classroom!

Cheryl in VA

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Micah is classified as Down Syndrome. What is the reason that he should not be

classified this way? Or with MR? I am lost.

Loree

Re: going nuts Behavior Plan

In a message dated 4/13/2004 8:02:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Modoyo writes:

> Is Liam in a 12 month program? Do you like it? I have to start looking

> at schools for . I requested at her iep that she be included in art

> and music. Surprise it's not on the iep. So i have to call them to get it

> fixed. What is Liam classification? They wanted to put down as MR

i

> said no.

Yes, it's a 12 months program. I love it. He's in a class with kids with

speech delays. There is one other kid with DS in the building. It's good

that

you fought the MR classification. I didn't know any better and allowed it.

The idiot psychologist based his evaluation on ACDS' evaluation (EI program)

because he was too lazy. As long as I got him into this program I wasn't

going

to fight it. I would have done anything to get him out of my home district.

The curriculum at Liam's school is the same as my friend's son is getting at a

local school. The were on the same letter and both doing book reports every

week. Even though I liked Heartshare his new school is lightyears away from

it in what he's learning and accomplishing.

Last summer when I worked as a parent rep to the committee for special ed in

my home district a little girl came up for review. She was 8 and couldn't

id letters let alone read. She had an IQ in the 50's. She was in the third

grade functioning below K. The psychologist fought the rest of the group to

not

label her MR. Liam's IQ is higher than this, but because he has DS and she

doesn't different label rules must apply. This poor little girl is

languishing

in an environment that isn't meeting her needs and Liam's flourishing, label

and all, so the jokes on the DOE. I'm just so glad I won't have to deal with

those bureaucrats again.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

[Guest guest]

That is what I don't understand. I didn't allow IQ testing for Micah and he is

classified as having DS. But he is getting wonderful programs and is in a

typical nursery school and they have already hinted that they will agree to

inclusive kindergarten.

Loree

Re: going nuts Behavior Plan

Why are you fighting the MR label? It doesn't seem to me that it would

disqualify your children from any program. That would be based on the IEP,

right?

If your child is being labeled by an IQ score, then it would be the same as

labeling them MR, wouldn't it?

Confused here,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/2004 10:22:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

>

> Why are you fighting the MR label? It doesn't seem to me that it would

> disqualify your children from any program. That would be based on the IEP,

> right?

Well I didn't fight it at the time, but I wondered later if I should have.

The psychologist that I worked with over the summer didn't want to give it to

the girl I mentioned, " ...because it would follow her throughout her

education. " The IQ scores and the evaluation done before hand are not part of

the IEP

in NYC. From what I gather, the teachers here only get the IEP, not what went

into it.

Because NYC is so big there are lots of different environments for kids. I

know of at least 3 flavors of education for gifted and many for kids with

delays. We also have at least two flavors of inclusion. I think here in NYC

the

MR label might limit your opportunities. I think without a pushy PIA parent

like Liam has, that label will get you shuffled into any environment your

district selects. If the label gets in the way I will get him reevaluated and

get

it changed. Until then I will continue to have a very active say in his

educational environment.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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In a message dated 4/13/2004 10:57:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

loree5@... writes:

> But he is getting wonderful programs and is in a typical nursery school and

> they have already hinted that they will agree to inclusive kindergarten.

I think if they haven't tested him they can't label him as MR. In NYC there

are set labels, MR- Mentally Retarded, ED - Emotionally disturbed, OHI - Other

health Impaired, and probably a slew of others I'm not aware of. According

to the labels and the degree of severity, the placement people in the Committee

for special education try amd slot kids into different environments.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

[Guest guest]

I don't see any classification other than Down Syndrome. Am I looking in

the wrong place?

Loree

Re: going nuts Behavior Plan

> Loree,

> On an IEP it has a classification like MR, LD, speech and language

impaired,

> etc. Down Syndrome is listed just as like this: " 6 year old with DS

etc. "

>

> has always been " labeled " Learning Disabled and also has had IQ

> testing- that helps us with Medicaid and getting more services from the

state.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

what district are you in ? Also what is the name of the school Liam is

at? Maybee i'll send there? In my district there are no 12 month

programs.regular ed or special ed. It is only available in district 75 schools.

I'm thinking of possibly sending her to 2 schools one for the 9 months the

other a district 75 school for the summer months. Not sure if this is even

possible. I still have to look at schools. I called the DOE before the break.

Spoke with the placement person she didnot know any school that had 12 month

program. She has to call district 75 for their list.

Maureen

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,

Being in NYC the MR label is like a scarlet A. Unfortunately some

teachers see the label and not the child. My son was listed as reg ed with

services. He is smart scored a 4 on city wide test but was not placed in Eagle

(

gifted program) because he has an IEP and is receiving services.. 4 is the

highest score you can get. His teacher told me.

I'm waiting for the state wide test results. If he get 3 or 4 you will all

hear my mouth going off on his principal. Who is beyond useless.

Maureen

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,

How would i know if had an IQ test i've never received a

number score. I've received scores for her level as far as OT and PT.

do i have to give permission?

Maureen

[Guest guest]

Down syndrome was not a choice.

Maureen

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Cheryl

you said it

Maureen

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Maureen,

You can send to a district 75 school for the summer if the school she

is in does not have a 12 month program. If its in her IEP, they have to

provide a school even if its out of your 'home' district.

There are some sites of district 75 that run the summer programs for lots of

schools within a specific district. My husband is a para and always works

summer school for kids mandated for a 12 month program.

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In a message dated 4/13/2004 5:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Modoyo writes:

> How would i know if had an IQ test i've never received a

> number score. I've received scores for her level as far as OT and PT.

> do i have to give permission?

>

Maureen.

DId ACDS evaluate her? If so they did a which gives a DQ that is

supposed to correlate with IQ. That's what the lazy NYC DOE psychologist used

to

rate him MR.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

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In a message dated 4/13/2004 9:34:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

linman42@... writes:

> You can send to a district 75 school for the summer if the school

> she

> is in does not have a 12 month program.

I've go to tell you that although I was terrified of district 75 a year and a

half ago, I'm loving it now. I really believe they do inclusion better than

a lot of the individual districts do. Instead of having to fight my home

district folks, the director of inclusion for district 75 has a very upbeat

accomodating attitude. So if you want to start her off in an inclusive

environment

and your district balks, I would give Dr, Rigke (sp?) a call. She's

's boss.

Kathy, Liam's mom( 6)

[Guest guest]

In VA, parental consent is required for testing or for change of placement.

All states can do more than IDEA requires and VA does so in a few areas. I

LOVE them for requiring parental consent in more areas than other states do.

Oh,

the horror stories I have heard!!

VA starts services for kids with disabilities at age 2 vs 3. We have the DD

label and can keep it until age 8 and 364 days. We are required to have LOCAL

special education advisory committees, not just state ones.

What positive above and beyond IDEa things are in your state regs?

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

thank you. i'm going to look at schools this week and next hopefully i'll

find one i like.

Maureen

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

i didn't let ACDS do the eval she had it done at distict 18 eval site.

Maureen