Animal Chiro

March 11, 2004

I need a Chiro referral for a patient who has a dog with a

bad back. The Vet is onboard or co treatment but did not have a Chiro recommendation.

Does anyone know a DC who excels at this type of work?

Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO

March 11, 2004

Mandeville in SE Portland treats animals.

I have been using an Aeron chair and it has been great. I will probably

never have to buy another chair.

Bruce Chaser

"Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO" wrote:

I

need a Chiro referral for a patient who has a dog with a bad back.

The Vet is onboard or co treatment but did not have a Chiro recommendation.

Does anyone know a DC who excels at this type of work?

Larry

Lubcke, DC, DABCO

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March 11, 2004

Find an activator be willing and palpate. It's simple! Trust your educated hands and palpate to find the places that feel right to adjust. Forget about your uncertainty it's not any different EXCEPT they can't talk. But they do communicate. Run your hands down the spine/articulation etc. and look for them to wince, turn and look at you (either from fear or for reassurance) or have some other typical mamallian pain behavior. Then adjust. Repeat for a reasonable # of times, say 5 to 8, looking for even slight behavioral differences the family notices.Do it until you figure out where it works. The feel is the same. Shave the area if you find a general area but are having trouble getting good palpatory findings. Finally, have the owner in front holding and you sit behind the animal. Often the best sitting position is to have your shins pressed just in front of their pelvis. This position makes most dogs and cats try to pull forward toward their master straightening the spine for palpation and tractioning it for adjusting.

Manual adjusting works too but its challenging and you have to invent a lot. Had a standard poodle with advanced DJD and DDD around the D/L junction and we did a modified knee chest adjustment that helped a lot with the stiffness and obvious kyphosis. That was how I found the shin lock on the pelvis position that was later modified the suit the activator adjusting. With that one we lifted the dog's hind up and I locked it betweek my knees, allowing the L spine to drape toward the floor. Light quick thumb toggles released those facets (no clicks usually).

Ergonomics are important too! The small dog often is injured jumping up or down from arms, beds and couches. They can be roughed up by other dogs or mean kids too. Have the family retrain the dog to go up and down from the couch/bed using a footstool for a ramp.

I learned by doing (and not charging just because I wanted to learn). But it is the same and the only thing really different is pelvic bone shape and facet planes of motion. But the activator works wonderfully and you don't risk anything. I have only once actually done fee for service on these. Instead, I ask for the family to give me what they think it's worth to them if we get results. Great way to learn and help and there's no sense of mistrust.

On the other hand, to play up like you know more than you do or have an owner/vet who is really judgemental can ruin everything. I never take those or promise anything, but instead, just say I'll try to help. Then just do it.

Had a small dog completely paralysed from L2 down for 2 months, incontinent bladder and rectally too, sensory testing with a pin showed NO pain response either superficially or with 1/8" penetration caudally from L2 also. The vet said "You can't help. It's cord is toasted." I didn't think I could either but the family insisted I try. So for 8 visits over 1 month they brought it in with towels to lay on the floor (only after patients had gone home). ALL function was restored and this animal had only ths slightest limp remaining after the second month of observation.

I've probably done 50 or so dogs and 10 cats in 25 years. Not exactly a booming practice! But the dog I mentioned (first dog btw) was a defining moment for me in clinical practice! I NEVER again thought about whether what I was doing had value or how much of what happened in my office was placebo.

Animal Chiro

I need a Chiro referral for a patient who has a dog with a bad back. The Vet is onboard or co treatment but did not have a Chiro recommendation. Does anyone know a DC who excels at this type of work?

Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCOOregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

March 11, 2004

Knecht DC Namaste Chiropractic 1809 NW Portland, OR 97209 503-226-8010

Sandy , DC 503-233-9355

She has over 200 hours of post graduate training in adjusting animals. I have her treat my dog with great results. Hope this helps

Knecht, DC

>From: "Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO"

>Reply-

>"Oregon Docs (Oregon Docs)"

>Subject: Animal Chiro

>Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:03:31 -0800

>

>I need a Chiro referral for a patient who has a dog with a bad back. The

>Vet is onboard or co treatment but did not have a Chiro recommendation.

>Does anyone know a DC who excels at this type of work?

>

>Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO

>

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October 8, 2008

I didn’t realize there were Vets

called Chiropractic Vets. How do we reconcile this when we object to others

using the term Chiropractic when they or Vets have not been to Chiropractic

school ?

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz

Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:52

AM

Subject: animal

chiro

If you

haven’t read today’s Oregonian…

Seitz,

DC

Good dog, get your bones . . . into

chiropractic alignment

Tuesday,

June 03, 2008

The Oregonian

M

acko is active for an older guy. He swims regularly. He goes for long walks.

He plays a little ball.

Still,

Macko feels the aches and pains that come with aging. Like a lot of

Portlanders, he sees his chiropractor every couple of weeks to soothe the

soreness in his joints and make his body more limber.

The

only thing unusual: Macko is a dog.

" Macko

has a dramatic response to adjustments, " chiropractor Mandeville

says. She is licensed to treat humans, but focuses her practice primarily on

pets. Burly Macko, a rescue dog who is estimated to be 12 or 13, is in

excellent shape and great health for a dog his age.

For

this canine senior citizen, the regular chiropractic treatments help keep him

limber and pain-free so he can live the active lifestyle he's had since he

was adopted 10 years ago.

" The

hope is we can keep his spinal function, so he keeps a good life into his

golden years, " Mandeville says.

" It's

only been since the 1970s that we've looked at chiropractic from a scientific

standpoint, " says veterinarian Curran, who was certified in animal

chiropractic a year ago. " What we're finding is that it stimulates

certain sensors in the muscles that send messages to the brain and help to

restore the normal range of motion. "

For

pets, chiropractic may restore normal range of motion to the joints. It can

help ease back pain and increase suppleness. It's also widely used for

post-operative rehab and for treatment of traumatic injuries. A veterinary evaluation

Some

problems are best treated by chiropractic, Curran says. For others,

chiropractic adjustments won't help, and some will worsen a problem. For

example, a dog might not be moving well because he needs emergency back

surgery -- that isn't the time to be manipulating a dog's spine.

The

only way to know is a thorough examination by a veterinarian. " Depending

on what the problem is, " Curran says, " I usually start with a

routine exam. I get a full history. I usually watch the dog walk and get a

sense of his gait. I may do a more thorough orthopedic exam or a neurological

examination. I would probably take X-rays. "

Only

then would she decide to refer the animal to a veterinary neurologist, an

orthopedic specialist or give it a chiropractic treatment. Specialized training

About

two-dozen local chiropractors and veterinarians have taken courses in animal

chiropractic. Under Oregon

law, veterinarians can give adjustments as part of their practice;

chiropractors need a referral from a veterinarian to work on an animal.

Almost

anything with a spine has been treated in clinics and house calls around the

state. " My clients right now include people, dogs, horses, cats, alpacas

and goats, " chiropractor Holderegger, of Unity Chiropractic,

says. She's been a chiropractor for four years, and roughly a third of her

practice is animals. She sees some pets in her office, and says that even

non-pet-owning patients appreciate the diversity of her clientele.

" I

have people who don't have pets who want an appointment at a time when they

can come and see a dog, " Holderegger says. " I think it's very

intriguing to a lot of the people. "

Today's

chiropractic methods are gentle, and most animals seem to enjoy their

treatments. If you imagine a cat clinging to the ceiling and a bloodied

chiropractor, think again. " Cats will almost always let you do it. I

love how cats surprise us, " Curran says.

When to consider

chiropractic

A

range of ailments might benefit from a chiropractic evaluation, chiropractic

vets say.

" We

usually think of lameness or stiffness, " Curran says. Pets that stop

jumping on the bed, that have stopped enjoying their walks or are limping

might be candidates for a chiropractic exam. Old dogs, like Macko, may retain

their flexibility and range of motion, so they can enjoy a healthy life for

more years.

Animal

athletes, such as agility dogs and show horses, get chiropractic treatments

to prevent the stress of constant jumping, leaping and turning from wearing

on their joints.

Animals

that are recovering from surgery often can feel better with chiropractic. For

example, if the dog is walking on three legs, it's putting a lot of pressure

on other parts of the body to compensate. A chiropractic adjustment can help

restore balance to the non-injured body parts.

There

are even cases of pets with severe neurological damage getting back on their

feet.

" I've

had dogs come here who haven't been able to walk, and they walked out, "

Holderegger says. " In the right situation, there are times it can be as

effective as surgery. "

Sometimes,

it may be an answer when the problem isn't obvious. Mandeville recalls two

cases when puppies were vomiting. Veterinary work-ups couldn't determine a

cause. One owner remembered her puppy running into a screen door; the other's

puppy had fallen. Both dogs got nearly instant relief from chiropractic

adjustments.

" Whenever

there is some kind of problem and you don't have an answer, it's a brilliant

time to get a chiropractic examination, " Mandeville says. " It's for

when nothing is broken but it's malfunctioning. "

At

the end of Macko's treatment, his tail is wagging. He shakes himself, all the

muscles along his back relaxed and supple.

He's

ready for a rousing game of fetch. It's a good life for this older guy.

Deborah

Wood is the author of 11 books, including " Little Dogs: Training Your

Pint-Sized Companion. " You can view her blog at blog.oregonlive.com/pets

or you can reach her by e-mail at TaoBowwowaol or by mail at

Deborah Wood/Pet Talk, The Oregonian, 1320 S.W. Broadway, Portland, OR 97201

October 8, 2008

I didn’t realize there were Vets

called Chiropractic Vets. How do we reconcile this when we object to others

using the term Chiropractic when they or Vets have not been to Chiropractic

school ?

s. fuchs dc

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Seitz

Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:52

AM

Subject: animal

chiro

If you

haven’t read today’s Oregonian…

Seitz,

DC

Good dog, get your bones . . . into

chiropractic alignment

Tuesday,

June 03, 2008

The Oregonian

M

acko is active for an older guy. He swims regularly. He goes for long walks.

He plays a little ball.

Still,

Macko feels the aches and pains that come with aging. Like a lot of

Portlanders, he sees his chiropractor every couple of weeks to soothe the

soreness in his joints and make his body more limber.

The

only thing unusual: Macko is a dog.

" Macko

has a dramatic response to adjustments, " chiropractor Mandeville

says. She is licensed to treat humans, but focuses her practice primarily on

pets. Burly Macko, a rescue dog who is estimated to be 12 or 13, is in

excellent shape and great health for a dog his age.

For

this canine senior citizen, the regular chiropractic treatments help keep him

limber and pain-free so he can live the active lifestyle he's had since he

was adopted 10 years ago.

" The

hope is we can keep his spinal function, so he keeps a good life into his

golden years, " Mandeville says.

" It's

only been since the 1970s that we've looked at chiropractic from a scientific

standpoint, " says veterinarian Curran, who was certified in animal

chiropractic a year ago. " What we're finding is that it stimulates

certain sensors in the muscles that send messages to the brain and help to

restore the normal range of motion. "

For

pets, chiropractic may restore normal range of motion to the joints. It can

help ease back pain and increase suppleness. It's also widely used for

post-operative rehab and for treatment of traumatic injuries. A veterinary evaluation

Some

problems are best treated by chiropractic, Curran says. For others,

chiropractic adjustments won't help, and some will worsen a problem. For

example, a dog might not be moving well because he needs emergency back

surgery -- that isn't the time to be manipulating a dog's spine.

The

only way to know is a thorough examination by a veterinarian. " Depending

on what the problem is, " Curran says, " I usually start with a

routine exam. I get a full history. I usually watch the dog walk and get a

sense of his gait. I may do a more thorough orthopedic exam or a neurological

examination. I would probably take X-rays. "

Only

then would she decide to refer the animal to a veterinary neurologist, an

orthopedic specialist or give it a chiropractic treatment. Specialized training

About

two-dozen local chiropractors and veterinarians have taken courses in animal

chiropractic. Under Oregon

law, veterinarians can give adjustments as part of their practice;

chiropractors need a referral from a veterinarian to work on an animal.

Almost

anything with a spine has been treated in clinics and house calls around the

state. " My clients right now include people, dogs, horses, cats, alpacas

and goats, " chiropractor Holderegger, of Unity Chiropractic,

says. She's been a chiropractor for four years, and roughly a third of her

practice is animals. She sees some pets in her office, and says that even

non-pet-owning patients appreciate the diversity of her clientele.

" I

have people who don't have pets who want an appointment at a time when they

can come and see a dog, " Holderegger says. " I think it's very

intriguing to a lot of the people. "

Today's

chiropractic methods are gentle, and most animals seem to enjoy their

treatments. If you imagine a cat clinging to the ceiling and a bloodied

chiropractor, think again. " Cats will almost always let you do it. I

love how cats surprise us, " Curran says.

When to consider

chiropractic

A

range of ailments might benefit from a chiropractic evaluation, chiropractic

vets say.

" We

usually think of lameness or stiffness, " Curran says. Pets that stop

jumping on the bed, that have stopped enjoying their walks or are limping

might be candidates for a chiropractic exam. Old dogs, like Macko, may retain

their flexibility and range of motion, so they can enjoy a healthy life for

more years.

Animal

athletes, such as agility dogs and show horses, get chiropractic treatments

to prevent the stress of constant jumping, leaping and turning from wearing

on their joints.

Animals

that are recovering from surgery often can feel better with chiropractic. For

example, if the dog is walking on three legs, it's putting a lot of pressure

on other parts of the body to compensate. A chiropractic adjustment can help

restore balance to the non-injured body parts.

There

are even cases of pets with severe neurological damage getting back on their

feet.

" I've

had dogs come here who haven't been able to walk, and they walked out, "

Holderegger says. " In the right situation, there are times it can be as

effective as surgery. "

Sometimes,

it may be an answer when the problem isn't obvious. Mandeville recalls two

cases when puppies were vomiting. Veterinary work-ups couldn't determine a

cause. One owner remembered her puppy running into a screen door; the other's

puppy had fallen. Both dogs got nearly instant relief from chiropractic

adjustments.

" Whenever

there is some kind of problem and you don't have an answer, it's a brilliant

time to get a chiropractic examination, " Mandeville says. " It's for

when nothing is broken but it's malfunctioning. "

At

the end of Macko's treatment, his tail is wagging. He shakes himself, all the

muscles along his back relaxed and supple.

He's

ready for a rousing game of fetch. It's a good life for this older guy.

Deborah

Wood is the author of 11 books, including " Little Dogs: Training Your

Pint-Sized Companion. " You can view her blog at blog.oregonlive.com/pets

or you can reach her by e-mail at TaoBowwowaol or by mail at

Deborah Wood/Pet Talk, The Oregonian, 1320 S.W. Broadway, Portland, OR 97201

October 8, 2008

I believed the referred to " animal chiropractic or chiropractor " not

" chiropractic vets " and the article goes on to state that a DC needs a

referral from a Vet.....Vern Saboe

animal chiro

If you haven't read today's Oregonian.

Seitz, DC

Good dog, get your bones . . . into chiropractic alignment

Tuesday, June 03, 2008

The Oregonian

M acko is active for an older guy. He swims regularly. He goes for long

walks. He plays a little ball.

Still, Macko feels the aches and pains that come with aging. Like a lot

of Portlanders, he sees his chiropractor every couple of weeks to soothe

the soreness in his joints and make his body more limber.

The only thing unusual: Macko is a dog.

" Macko has a dramatic response to adjustments, " chiropractor

Mandeville says. She is licensed to treat humans, but focuses her

practice primarily on pets. Burly Macko, a rescue dog who is estimated

to be 12 or 13, is in excellent shape and great health for a dog his

age.

For this canine senior citizen, the regular chiropractic treatments help

keep him limber and pain-free so he can live the active lifestyle he's

had since he was adopted 10 years ago.

" The hope is we can keep his spinal function, so he keeps a good life

into his golden years, " Mandeville says.

" It's only been since the 1970s that we've looked at chiropractic from a

scientific standpoint, " says veterinarian Curran, who was

certified in animal chiropractic a year ago. " What we're finding is that

it stimulates certain sensors in the muscles that send messages to the

brain and help to restore the normal range of motion. "

For pets, chiropractic may restore normal range of motion to the joints.

It can help ease back pain and increase suppleness. It's also widely

used for post-operative rehab and for treatment of traumatic injuries. A

veterinary evaluation

Some problems are best treated by chiropractic, Curran says. For others,

chiropractic adjustments won't help, and some will worsen a problem. For

example, a dog might not be moving well because he needs emergency back

surgery -- that isn't the time to be manipulating a dog's spine.

The only way to know is a thorough examination by a veterinarian.

" Depending on what the problem is, " Curran says, " I usually start with a

routine exam. I get a full history. I usually watch the dog walk and get

a sense of his gait. I may do a more thorough orthopedic exam or a

neurological examination. I would probably take X-rays. "

Only then would she decide to refer the animal to a veterinary

neurologist, an orthopedic specialist or give it a chiropractic

treatment. Specialized training

About two-dozen local chiropractors and veterinarians have taken courses

in animal chiropractic. Under Oregon law, veterinarians can give

adjustments as part of their practice; chiropractors need a referral

from a veterinarian to work on an animal.

Almost anything with a spine has been treated in clinics and house calls

around the state. " My clients right now include people, dogs, horses,

cats, alpacas and goats, " chiropractor Holderegger, of Unity

Chiropractic, says. She's been a chiropractor for four years, and

roughly a third of her practice is animals. She sees some pets in her

office, and says that even non-pet-owning patients appreciate the

diversity of her clientele.

" I have people who don't have pets who want an appointment at a time

when they can come and see a dog, " Holderegger says. " I think it's very

intriguing to a lot of the people. "

Today's chiropractic methods are gentle, and most animals seem to enjoy

their treatments. If you imagine a cat clinging to the ceiling and a

bloodied chiropractor, think again. " Cats will almost always let you do

it. I love how cats surprise us, " Curran says.

When to consider

chiropractic

A range of ailments might benefit from a chiropractic evaluation,

chiropractic vets say.

" We usually think of lameness or stiffness, " Curran says. Pets that stop

jumping on the bed, that have stopped enjoying their walks or are

limping might be candidates for a chiropractic exam. Old dogs, like

Macko, may retain their flexibility and range of motion, so they can

enjoy a healthy life for more years.

Animal athletes, such as agility dogs and show horses, get chiropractic

treatments to prevent the stress of constant jumping, leaping and

turning from wearing on their joints.

Animals that are recovering from surgery often can feel better with

chiropractic. For example, if the dog is walking on three legs, it's

putting a lot of pressure on other parts of the body to compensate. A

chiropractic adjustment can help restore balance to the non-injured body

parts.

There are even cases of pets with severe neurological damage getting

back on their feet.

" I've had dogs come here who haven't been able to walk, and they walked

out, " Holderegger says. " In the right situation, there are times it can

be as effective as surgery. "

Sometimes, it may be an answer when the problem isn't obvious.

Mandeville recalls two cases when puppies were vomiting. Veterinary

work-ups couldn't determine a cause. One owner remembered her puppy

running into a screen door; the other's puppy had fallen. Both dogs got

nearly instant relief from chiropractic adjustments.

" Whenever there is some kind of problem and you don't have an answer,

it's a brilliant time to get a chiropractic examination, " Mandeville

says. " It's for when nothing is broken but it's malfunctioning. "

At the end of Macko's treatment, his tail is wagging. He shakes himself,

all the muscles along his back relaxed and supple.

He's ready for a rousing game of fetch. It's a good life for this older

guy.

Deborah Wood is the author of 11 books, including " Little Dogs: Training

Your Pint-Sized Companion. " You can view her blog at

blog.oregonlive.com/pets or you can reach her by e-mail at

TaoBowwow@... or by mail at Deborah Wood/Pet Talk, The Oregonian,

1320 S.W. Broadway, Portland, OR 97201

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