Re: Re: recall setting life saving or life indangering your call

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Re: recall setting life saving or life indangering your call

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> defibrilator recall setting change life saveing or life indangering

your call !!!!! yesterday i ended up getting a express 911 ride to

the hospital and a complimenty over night stay resaon being is i went

to the store and passed out n the middle orf the store i have never

done that before and the store people called 911 thinkfuly ! well

had my icd iterigated today found out when my heart when out of

rythmia rate was 269 betime it waited the recomened recall aloted

time my heart rate was well above 325 and i ad passed out doctor

said fi the icd fired at the normal rang she had it prevusily set 1

my heart wouldnet have went as fast and 2 i would not ahve passed

out ! when i asked about settign back to the old settign they cant

do that due to risk of recall wso i'm left to wonder is there advise

really as safe as they would like us to beleave ? how safe and

trusted worthy are these device with the recommend recalled wire

setting ? all and all i'm home now

>

> stacie shockign life for shocking people

Stacie,

If you're talking about the Medtronic Fidelis lead recall

reprogramming recommendations, I've had those implemented in my

Virtuoso DR and it zapped me at a V-rate of 188 (tried tachy paciang

first, then the zap) and I didn't even feel dizzy, let alone pass out.

Regards and good luck,

Carl

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REALLY!

The one time I passed out the entire event

was recorded as something like 20 seconds..and I passed out pretty quickly I

think. 15 seconds seems like plenty of time to loose consciousness.

I hate this relying on defective

technology thing. I just wish this had never happened to me.

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Subject: Re: recall

setting life saving or life indangering your call

carl

yep thats what i'm talking about my is set to pace down and fire at 180

and to directly shock at 200 but it was orginaly set to wat 5 secounds

before shocking aat the over 200 rate now with the recall the set wait

time is been moved to 15 secound ! to allow for noise from a broken wire to

clear up ! do to this wiat my heart was able to go even fasteder and thus i

passed out i have never passed out before even with 269 rate

but my doctor blames the increase wait time due to recall causeing

the other ovents happening however i'm glad ours saved you

and prevented you from passing out

stacie,24 shocking life for shockign people

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This is so upsetting to me, not the passing out so much as my diagnosis is LQT which the betas and my pacing portion of ICD seems to have helped with my fainting episodes. It's the wait time, I am not aware of any wait time. I have asked questions so much, I cannot believe it has not been told to me, guess they assume the less I know, the less I have to worry about but I am going to call Medtronic and talk with them and get some straight answers. I have never been shocked but as far as I'm concerned, if I need the shock to save my life, what happens if itwaits 15 seconds? Can it be too late or is it a who knows answer? Sorry to be so long but I am soooo shocked to hear this can happen and so sorry it happened to anyone. I wasn't too concerned about all of this until now, I definitely want to know if I have a wait time! Bottom line, you should not have to compromise your health at all due to their mess up, after all, they didn't exactly "give" away these little devices, they are to be life saving and therefore top dollar items. I am so angry.

Judi

Re: recall setting life saving or life indangering your call

carl

yep thats what i'm talking about my is set to pace down and fire at 180 and to directly shock at 200 but it was orginaly set to wat 5 secounds before shocking aat the over 200 rate now with the recall the set wait time is been moved to 15 secound ! to allow for noise from a broken wire to clear up ! do to this wiat my heart was able to go even fasteder and thus i passed out i have never passed out before even with 269 rate but my doctor blames the increase wait time due to recall causeing the other ovents happening however i'm glad ours saved you and prevented you from passing out

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I do see the reason for waiting to detect that it is for sure not just noise now (just wishing they had told me and I didn't find out this way) BUT waiting sent this lady to the floor passed out, what if she had been driving or holding an infant? I had asked the question on a couple of websites before I got my ICD about what happens if you are shocked while driving and the ones that responded said they were able to come safely to a stop. You definitely would not be able to to do so if you are passed out. Thus my concern as well as feeling like I've been deceived by not telling me everything when I specifically asked what changes were being made. Guess some individuals can handle things better than others, I need some time to cool off. Maybe should just keep my thoughts myself, hope I have not offended anyone on here. You guys are super support and I have learned so much from everyone.

Judi

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> This is so upsetting to me, not the passing out so much as my

diagnosis is LQT which the betas and my pacing portion of ICD seems

to have helped with my fainting episodes. It's the wait time, I am

not aware of any wait time. I have asked questions so much, I

cannot believe it has not been told to me, guess they assume the less

I know, the less I have to worry about but I am going to call

Medtronic and talk with them and get some straight answers. I have

never been shocked but as far as I'm concerned, if I need the shock

to save my life, what happens if itwaits 15 seconds? Can it be too

late or is it a who knows answer? Sorry to be so long but I am

soooo shocked to hear this can happen and so sorry it happened to

anyone. I wasn't too concerned about all of this until now, I

definitely want to know if I have a wait time! Bottom line, you

should not have to compromise your health at all due to their mess

up, after all, they didn't exactly "give" away these little devices,

they are to be life saving and therefore top dollar items. I am so

angry.

> Judi

Speaking as an electronics engineer (not as a medical expert), the

event detection algorithms that these devices use have to have

some "wait time" to verify that therapy is really appropriate, then

it takes time to charge the thing up for a zap.

15 seconds doesn't sound like that long a time to me ... my device

took 7+ seconds to charge after it decided I needed a zap (and it's

only 2 months old, so the battery

is fresh and fine).

If it weren't for the delays in the detection algorithms, we'd be

getting zapped a LOT more - and unnecessarially - something I'd not

like.

I am confident that the short wait to be sure is quite safe.

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it is supposed to be a safe amount of time but for my helth issuses the doctor said it hasnt turned out as safe as originaly though i have never passed out before but she cant fix the issuses at hand because it was set that way for the recall i'm not complian as much as makign others aware of the issuses so they can ask there doctors question and stuff before the have any eposides and find out the hard way hopefuly no one will but i was making people aware and just so you knwo everyones waits atleats 5 csecound as thats charge time meantime there device motriters there heart rythmaia and in that time can abort the shock should the heart return to normal "Carl R. son" <wk3c@...> wrote: >> This is so upsetting to me, not the passing out so much as my diagnosis is LQT which the betas and my pacing portion of ICD seems to have helped with my fainting episodes. It's the wait time, I am not aware of any wait time. I have asked questions so much, I cannot believe it has not been told to me, guess they assume the less I know, the less I have to worry about but I am going to call Medtronic and talk with them and get some straight answers. I have never been shocked but as far as I'm concerned, if I need the shock to save my life, what happens if itwaits 15 seconds? Can it be too late or is it a

who knows answer? Sorry to be so long but I am soooo shocked to hear this can happen and so sorry it happened to anyone. I wasn't too concerned about all of this until now, I definitely want to know if I have a wait time! Bottom line, you should not have to compromise your health at all due to their mess up, after all, they didn't exactly "give" away these little devices, they are to be life saving and therefore top dollar items. I am so angry.> JudiSpeaking as an electronics engineer (not as a medical expert), the event detection algorithms that these devices use have to have some "wait time" to verify that therapy is really appropriate, then it takes time to charge the thing up for a zap.15 seconds doesn't sound like that long a time to me ... my device took 7+ seconds to charge after it decided I needed a zap (and it's only 2 months old, so the battery is fresh and

fine).If it weren't for the delays in the detection algorithms, we'd be getting zapped a LOT more - and unnecessarially - something I'd not like.I am confident that the short wait to be sure is quite safe.

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As a rule, if you passout brfore being shocked, your not supposed to drive.

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i dont drive ! but this was the firsted time i have ever passed out ! still i dont plan to drvive anyime soon so not to worry !PAUL BROWN <pb481@...> wrote: As a rule, if you passout brfore being shocked, your not supposed to drive.GOT TO SEE UTAH_______________________________________________Join Excite! - http://www.excite.comThe most personalized portal on the Web!