Re: Olive Oil Beneficial????

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What is your opinion about nuts? Are they as beneficial as they say or it's another instance of a fad food.Thanks,Rodney <perspect1111@...> wrote: Hi folks: I have to laugh at this. I have never believed olive oil is net beneficial. Less bad than trans fats certainly, but still atherogenic, as studies that have been posted here previously suggest. "This raises a very interesting issue because many people who eat a Mediterranean diet believe the olive oil is providing the

benefits. But this research and other data indicate that's not true. .........." From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6036409.stm Rodney.

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Nuts, are an extemely " dense " food, not only in some

nutrients, but also in calories, when looked at " per

gram " .

1 oz of any nut/seed averages about 175 calories and

are about 80% fat. The fat composition of most nuts is

primarily mono fat, which is " not " the essentail fat

the body needs. The only nut/seeds which are high in

essential fats are the walnut and the flax seed.

Since CRON Is about calorie restriction, one of our

main concerns is to get the most nutrients " per

calorie " from foods. In that light, nuts and seeds

are not nutrient dense.

Including about .5 - 1 oz of various nuts/seeds a day

can be part of a healthy CRON diet, but above that,

you would be trading off nutrient density.

Regards

Jeff

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Besides nutrient density - would there be value to finding and eating foods that turn off one's personal hunger switch?Personally I lost 12 pounds very quickly eating nut pates I think because they seem to turn off my food craving/hunger switch. My BMI is now 19.3, previously it was 21.1.I don't eat that many nuts (don't have to), mostly an almond pate I make myself which comes to a tablespoon or 2 a day. Why I eat the nuts is because if I don't, the cravings for sugar, white flour, and chocolate start. I feel hungry and deprived, then start chowing down on the "less than optimal foods" and start to regain the weight within a day.I go back to the nuts and lose it again quickly, no sweat, no problem. I have been trying to lose this weight for 15 years without success and accidentally stumbled upon this.Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...> wrote: Nuts, are an extemely "dense" food, not only in some nutrients, but also in calories, when looked at "per gram". 1 oz of any nut/seed averages about 175 calories and are about 80% fat. The fat composition of most nuts is primarily mono fat, which is "not" the essentail fat the body needs. The only nut/seeds which are high in essential fats are the walnut and the flax seed. Since CRON Is about calorie restriction, one of our main concerns is to get the most nutrients "per calorie" from foods. In that light, nuts and seeds are not nutrient dense.

Including about .5 - 1 oz of various nuts/seeds a day can be part of a healthy CRON diet, but above that, you would be trading off nutrient density. Regards Jeff

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>> Besides nutrient density - would there be value to

> finding and eating foods that turn off one's

> personal hunger switch?

In regard to CRON, nutrient density " per calorie " is

the key concept, IMHO

> I don't eat that many nuts (don't have to), mostly

> an almond pate I make myself which comes to a

> tablespoon or 2 a day.

That would be about 1oz, exactly in line with what i

recommended.

Enjoy

Jeff

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Hi :

I agree with Jeff's comments. I am not as certain about the nuts

issue as I feel about olive oil. (But I use small amounts of olive

oil occasionally when essential to the taste characteristics of an

important recipe.)

The problem that almost always arises in these studies is that the

control group has a BMI averaging 28, and eats the SAD diet. And

pretty much anything is less unhealthy than that. Olive oil is less

unhealthy than the SAD diet. So are nuts. But I am not aware of any

evidence that shows whether nuts contribute additional benefit (or

harm) beyond that of a thoroughy healthy 'ON' diet.

But from personal observation (as we all know around here, not worth

much!) I find the same thing you do. I can eat large amounts of

almonds and not put on anywhere near as much weight as I expect. But

as Jeff notes, almonds contain mostly the same kind of oil as

olives. So, while it may help kill hunger, what else is it doing at

the same time? I don't know of any studies of people who ate

substantial amounts of almonds in addition to a very healthy diet.

If anyone does, please post.

Rodney.

>

> Besides nutrient density - would there be value to finding and

eating foods that turn off one's personal hunger switch?

>

> Personally I lost 12 pounds very quickly eating nut pates I think

because they seem to turn off my food craving/hunger switch. My BMI

is now 19.3, previously it was 21.1.

>

> I don't eat that many nuts (don't have to), mostly an almond pate I

make myself which comes to a tablespoon or 2 a day. Why I eat the

nuts is because if I don't, the cravings for sugar, white flour, and

chocolate start. I feel hungry and deprived, then start chowing down

on the " less than optimal foods " and start to regain the weight

within a day.

>

> I go back to the nuts and lose it again quickly, no sweat, no

problem. I have been trying to lose this weight for 15 years without

success and accidentally stumbled upon this.

>

>

>

> Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...>

wrote: Nuts, are an extemely " dense "

food, not only in some

> nutrients, but also in calories, when looked at " per

> gram " .

>

> 1 oz of any nut/seed averages about 175 calories and

> are about 80% fat. The fat composition of most nuts is

> primarily mono fat, which is " not " the essentail fat

> the body needs. The only nut/seeds which are high in

> essential fats are the walnut and the flax seed.

>

> Since CRON Is about calorie restriction, one of our

> main concerns is to get the most nutrients " per

> calorie " from foods. In that light, nuts and seeds

> are not nutrient dense.

>

> Including about .5 - 1 oz of various nuts/seeds a day

> can be part of a healthy CRON diet, but above that,

> you would be trading off nutrient density.

>

> Regards

> Jeff

>

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I certainly agree, that in regard to CRON, that nutrient density "per calorie" is absolutely the key concept. What I am trying to say is that the nut pates is a helpful addition to this key concept that has made it possible for me to enjoy existing on a metric ton of those rainbow colored fruits and veggies per week. It's what has kept me with the program so far.Cheers, Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...> wrote: >> Besides nutrient density - would there be value to > finding and eating foods that turn off one's > personal hunger switch? In regard to CRON, nutrient density "per calorie" is the key concept, IMHO > I don't eat that many nuts (don't have to), mostly > an almond pate I make myself which comes to a > tablespoon or 2 a day. That would be about 1oz, exactly in line with what i recommended. Enjoy Jeff