Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Dr. Mike, could you fill us in on how you obtained these images. Do you have a digital x-ray machine or did you scan them in and then mark them? Larry Lubcke, DC, DABCO Dens Fracture case study This is a case study from our own Dr. Underhill. Great case - interesting findings. D Freeman Mailing address: 1165 Union St NE, #300 Salem, OR 97301 503 586-0127 fax 503 763-3581 cell 503 871-0715 drmfreeman@... A 57 year old male presents to my office with complaints of upper neck ache which he describes as annoying. No particular accident or incident triggers the visit but rather an off and on chronic condition. He reports a treatment history of going to two different chiropractors in Oregon and getting his “neck cracked” which provides relief – sometimes long lasting for months or years. The last such treatment was just under one year ago. He also stated that he had a fracture in his neck from a motorcycle accident 30 years ago and that it was not treated. He reported that in the same accident, he fractured his hip/leg and it required surgery which took all the attention of his doctors. The last spinal x-rays he remembers were taken approximately 30 years ago. This man works in construction both as a supervisor and a laborer. He is quite muscular and appears very fit. He is on no medications. His examination turned up very little. Normal neurological findings, no reflex abnormalities, no sensory changes and no weakness. He did have some limited motion upon CROM evaluation. This patient has no insurance and pays for his care out of pocket. Even so, based on the history he gave me, I felt that a brief cervical x-ray study was appropriate. Patient agreed and I took an AP and lateral cervical. The lateral cervical looked unusual at the C1-2 junction and the APOM revealed what I believe to be a non-union fracture of the dens. In order to see if it was stable, I took flexion and extension films. The flexion and neutral lateral showed no change in the position of the atlas, axis or dens (by templating). The extension film showed fairly dramatic movement of the atlas and dens on the axis with what appears to be 12-14 mm excursion of the rather large posterior osteophyte into the spinal canal. I also found what appears to be an old avulsion type fracture of the tip of C-7 spinous process. I am sending digitized x-rays with dots placed on the superior posterior body of C2 and inferior posterior lateral mass of C1/osteophyte to help you visualize the movement. So, what do I make of this? I believe that the C-7 avulsion was discovered right after the accident and this was the fracture the patient was talking about. I also think that the dens fracture was missed and yes, some have said to me this could be congenital but based on the appearance, I don’t think so. What frightens me is that the patient still wanted me to “crack” his neck and of course I told him in detail why it was a bad idea and in fact tried to get him to talk to a neurosurgeon. The patient does not want me to call his previous chiropractors and in fact, I don’t have their names so I am unable to do so. Based on our conversation, I think the patient will return to his previous chiropractor for treatment and I hope the results are not disastrous. Thanks! Underhill, DC OregonDCs rules: 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated. 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 Thanks I was over at Dr. Underhill's office Last Friday and saw the x-rays. I was hoping to get copies of the pictures. for educational purposes. So thanks Carl Bonofiglio -- Dens Fracture case study This is a case study from our own Dr. Underhill. Great case - interesting findings. D Freeman Mailing address: 1165 Union St NE, #300 Salem, OR 97301 503 586-0127 fax 503 763-3581 cell 503 871-0715 drmfreeman@... A 57 year old male presents to my office with complaints of upper neck ache which he describes as annoying. No particular accident or incident triggers the visit but rather an off and on chronic condition. He reports a treatment history of going to two different chiropractors in Oregon and getting his “neck cracked” which provides relief – sometimes long lasting for months or years. The last such treatment was just under one year ago. He also stated that he had a fracture in his neck from a motorcycle accident 30 years ago and that it was not treated. He reported that in the same accident, he fractured his hip/leg and it required surgery which took all the attention of his doctors. The last spinal x-rays he remembers were taken approximately 30 years ago. This man works in construction both as a supervisor and a laborer. He is quite muscular and appears very fit. He is on no medications. His examination turned up very little. Normal neurological findings, no reflex abnormalities, no sensory changes and no weakness. He did have some limited motion upon CROM evaluation. This patient has no insurance and pays for his care out of pocket. Even so, based on the history he gave me, I felt that a brief cervical x-ray study was appropriate. Patient agreed and I took an AP and lateral cervical. The lateral cervical looked unusual at the C1-2 junction and the APOM revealed what I believe to be a non-union fracture of the dens. In order to see if it was stable, I took flexion and extension films. The flexion and neutral lateral showed no change in the position of the atlas, axis or dens (by templating). The extension film showed fairly dramatic movement of the atlas and dens on the axis with what appears to be 12-14 mm excursion of the rather large posterior osteophyte into the spinal canal. I also found what appears to be an old avulsion type fracture of the tip of C-7 spinous process. I am sending digitized x-rays with dots placed on the superior posterior body of C2 and inferior posterior lateral mass of C1/osteophyte to help you visualize the movement. So, what do I make of this? I believe that the C-7 avulsion was discovered right after the accident and this was the fracture the patient was talking about. I also think that the dens fracture was missed and yes, some have said to me this could be congenital but based on the appearance, I don’t think so. What frightens me is that the patient still wanted me to “crack” his neck and of course I told him in detail why it was a bad idea and in fact tried to get him to talk to a neurosurgeon. The patient does not want me to call his previous chiropractors and in fact, I don’t have their names so I am unable to do so. Based on our conversation, I think the patient will return to his previous chiropractor for treatment and I hope the results are not disastrous. Thanks! Underhill, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 I read this case yesterday. I understand Dr. Underhills concern and would only add one thing...Dr. should send a letter to the patient both by regular mail and certified mail stating his concerns and recommendation to consult a neurosurgeon immediately. This is a legal issue waiting to happen and although it sounds that Dr. Underhill did everything correctly this added effort will leave no doubt in anyone's mind (like mine) that he informed the patient of his concerns and the risks. sharron fuchs dc Dens Fracture case study This is a case study from our own Dr. Underhill. Great case - interesting findings. D Freeman Mailing address: 1165 Union St NE, #300 Salem, OR 97301 503 586-0127 fax 503 763-3581 cell 503 871-0715 drmfreeman@... A 57 year old male presents to my office with complaints of upper neck ache which he describes as annoying. No particular accident or incident triggers the visit but rather an off and on chronic condition. He reports a treatment history of going to two different chiropractors in Oregon and getting his "neck cracked" which provides relief - sometimes long lasting for months or years. The last such treatment was just under one year ago. He also stated that he had a fracture in his neck from a motorcycle accident 30 years ago and that it was not treated. He reported that in the same accident, he fractured his hip/leg and it required surgery which took all the attention of his doctors. The last spinal x-rays he remembers were taken approximately 30 years ago. This man works in construction both as a supervisor and a laborer. He is quite muscular and appears very fit. He is on no medications. His examination turned up very little. Normal neurological findings, no reflex abnormalities, no sensory changes and no weakness. He did have some limited motion upon CROM evaluation. This patient has no insurance and pays for his care out of pocket. Even so, based on the history he gave me, I felt that a brief cervical x-ray study was appropriate. Patient agreed and I took an AP and lateral cervical. The lateral cervical looked unusual at the C1-2 junction and the APOM revealed what I believe to be a non-union fracture of the dens. In order to see if it was stable, I took flexion and extension films. The flexion and neutral lateral showed no change in the position of the atlas, axis or dens (by templating). The extension film showed fairly dramatic movement of the atlas and dens on the axis with what appears to be 12-14 mm excursion of the rather large posterior osteophyte into the spinal canal. I also found what appears to be an old avulsion type fracture of the tip of C-7 spinous process. I am sending digitized x-rays with dots placed on the superior posterior body of C2 and inferior posterior lateral mass of C1/osteophyte to help you visualize the movement. So, what do I make of this? I believe that the C-7 avulsion was discovered right after the accident and this was the fracture the patient was talking about. I also think that the dens fracture was missed and yes, some have said to me this could be congenital but based on the appearance, I don't think so. What frightens me is that the patient still wanted me to "crack" his neck and of course I told him in detail why it was a bad idea and in fact tried to get him to talk to a neurosurgeon. The patient does not want me to call his previous chiropractors and in fact, I don't have their names so I am unable to do so. Based on our conversation, I think the patient will return to his previous chiropractor for treatment and I hope the results are not disastrous. Thanks! Underhill, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Last week while doing a physical on a 30-year-old female schoolteacher she relayed that she had a dens fracture that was undetected for almost five years by several medical doctors including a neurologist. Her symptoms? Basically chronic headaches and neck pain. The fourth neurologist while ruling out structural causes for the headaches identified the dens fracture on a CT scan. She is immediately admitted to surgery where the dens was wired into place as they could not be surgically fused. She still has headaches. She also has a 6 in. scar down the middle of her neck. One thing I took from this case is that every case could be this case. Those who do not x-ray should pay particularly close attention to these cases. There is no routine problem with a patient. Willard Bertrand, DC -----Original Message----- From: Sharron Fuchs [mailto:SharronF@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: RE: Dens Fracture case study I read this case yesterday. I understand Dr. Underhills concern and would only add one thing...Dr. should send a letter to the patient both by regular mail and certified mail stating his concerns and recommendation to consult a neurosurgeon immediately. This is a legal issue waiting to happen and although it sounds that Dr. Underhill did everything correctly this added effort will leave no doubt in anyone's mind (like mine) that he informed the patient of his concerns and the risks. sharron fuchs dc Dens Fracture case study This is a case study from our own Dr. Underhill. Great case - interesting findings. D Freeman Mailing address: 1165 Union St NE, #300 Salem, OR 97301 503 586-0127 fax 503 763-3581 cell 503 871-0715 drmfreeman@... A 57 year old male presents to my office with complaints of upper neck ache which he describes as annoying. No particular accident or incident triggers the visit but rather an off and on chronic condition. He reports a treatment history of going to two different chiropractors in Oregon and getting his " neck cracked " which provides relief - sometimes long lasting for months or years. The last such treatment was just under one year ago. He also stated that he had a fracture in his neck from a motorcycle accident 30 years ago and that it was not treated. He reported that in the same accident, he fractured his hip/leg and it required surgery which took all the attention of his doctors. The last spinal x-rays he remembers were taken approximately 30 years ago. This man works in construction both as a supervisor and a laborer. He is quite muscular and appears very fit. He is on no medications. His examination turned up very little. Normal neurological findings, no reflex abnormalities, no sensory changes and no weakness. He did have some limited motion upon CROM evaluation. This patient has no insurance and pays for his care out of pocket. Even so, based on the history he gave me, I felt that a brief cervical x-ray study was appropriate. Patient agreed and I took an AP and lateral cervical. The lateral cervical looked unusual at the C1-2 junction and the APOM revealed what I believe to be a non-union fracture of the dens. In order to see if it was stable, I took flexion and extension films. The flexion and neutral lateral showed no change in the position of the atlas, axis or dens (by templating). The extension film showed fairly dramatic movement of the atlas and dens on the axis with what appears to be 12-14 mm excursion of the rather large posterior osteophyte into the spinal canal. I also found what appears to be an old avulsion type fracture of the tip of C-7 spinous process. I am sending digitized x-rays with dots placed on the superior posterior body of C2 and inferior posterior lateral mass of C1/osteophyte to help you visualize the movement. So, what do I make of this? I believe that the C-7 avulsion was discovered right after the accident and this was the fracture the patient was talking about. I also think that the dens fracture was missed and yes, some have said to me this could be congenital but based on the appearance, I don't think so. What frightens me is that the patient still wanted me to " crack " his neck and of course I told him in detail why it was a bad idea and in fact tried to get him to talk to a neurosurgeon. The patient does not want me to call his previous chiropractors and in fact, I don't have their names so I am unable to do so. Based on our conversation, I think the patient will return to his previous chiropractor for treatment and I hope the results are not disastrous. Thanks! Underhill, DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 The patient I'm referring to was here for physical examination to qualify for a bus driver license. She was referred by the company she works for. We provide physicals for many industrial clients and so, while follow-up chiropractic care was recommended, no treatment plan will further evaluation beyond the basic physical was provided. I certainly would adjust this type of condition differently than your typical subluxation pattern. She was so clenched throughout her spine even into her hips. As a young adult she will have to address is structural dysfunction even though she has already stabilize the dens with surgery. The process of achieving optimum function will most certainly not involve high velocity specific cervical adjustments, or even upper thoracic adjustments of this nature. This type of adaptive adjustment, were high velocity adjustments are not employed, is quite common in this office and I'm sure in most if not all chiropractic offices. Of course, all legal prerequisites must be in order prior to advancing any form of care for this patient, and make careful note that this patient could be any patient with head, arm, or neck pain. I present this case to further eliminate the misconception that x-rays of the cervical spine are optional. Sincerely Willard Bertrand DC Re: Dens Fracture case study Willard, thanks interesting case. How did she initially fx? Was there a history of macro-trauma? Minga Guerrero DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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