Re: Bacteroides thetaiotaomicron and fat storage

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

Well count me skeptical on this for now.

Are we logically to conclude from this that those who are able to

restrain their food intake and maintain a very healthy weight are by

definition sick because the only way anyone should be expected to be

able to control how much they eat is if they do not have the right

flora in their intestines to cause the absorption of all the nutients?

And is it only the obese people who are well, because their

intestines are so much more efficient?

Or are their body temperatures much lower than those of the very

healthy weight people? I think the opposite is true. Most people on

CR have lower body temperatures, not higher temperatures.

Has it been shown that the feces of very-healthy-weight people are

loaded with unabsorbed calories? Has it been shown they have lower

body temperatures? I think these things need to be demonstrated

before I will be able to take this seriously.

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And as for the claimed increase in adipose, has it been demonstrated

that in these people who add a lot of adipose everything

else ........... bone, organs, brain etc. are reduced in size

when these people are on iso-caloric diets and compared with people

who do not have the adenovirus?

Calories do not just appear out of, or disappear into, the air. If

they are eating the same amount and they have added a lot more fat

then where did they get the calories from to do that?

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Or is the argument that these adenoviruses make people uncontrollably

and irresistably hungry? So that it is not their fault they eat

more? Or is the excuse that the virus destroys a person's ability to

discipline the amount they eat?

Or are these people simply no different from the healthy weight

people, except that they voluntarily choose to eat more?

------

It seems to me that none of these studies so far go anywhere remotely

close to providing rational, and credible, answers to the above

questions.

Rodney.

>

> --- In , " citpeks " <citpeks@y...>

wrote:

> >

> > http://news./s/nm/20060130/hl_nm/virus_obesity_dc

> >

> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Researchers have identified a new

human

> > virus that increases fat deposits and, paradoxically, reduces

> > triglyceride levels in animals,

> ---------------------------

> Yes, and in the spirit of blowing people's minds on Monday morning,

> consider this:

>

> http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/44/15718

>

> The gut microbiota as an environmental factor that regulates fat

storage

>

> " Our findings suggest that the gut microbiota is an important

> environmental factor that affects energy harvest from the diet and

> energy storage in the host. "

>

> A whole interesting concept that we're really symbionts (shadows of

> " alien " ). Our intestines co-involved with the bacteria that they

> harbor - and these bacteria can actually markedly affect our

> metabolism. In fact, in one study, mice raised in a completely

> sterile environment had marked atrophy of the intestines.

>

> So there are a lot of things out there that we don't yet fully

> understand about all of this!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

Well count me skeptical on this for now.

Are we logically to conclude from this that those who are able to

restrain their food intake and maintain a very healthy weight are by

definition sick because the only way anyone should be expected to be

able to control how much they eat is if they do not have the right

flora in their intestines to cause the absorption of all the nutients?

And is it only the obese people who are well, because their

intestines are so much more efficient?

Or are their body temperatures much lower than those of the very

healthy weight people? I think the opposite is true. Most people on

CR have lower body temperatures, not higher temperatures.

Has it been shown that the feces of very-healthy-weight people are

loaded with unabsorbed calories? Has it been shown they have lower

body temperatures? I think these things need to be demonstrated

before I will be able to take this seriously.

------

And as for the claimed increase in adipose, has it been demonstrated

that in these people who add a lot of adipose everything

else ........... bone, organs, brain etc. are reduced in size

when these people are on iso-caloric diets and compared with people

who do not have the adenovirus?

Calories do not just appear out of, or disappear into, the air. If

they are eating the same amount and they have added a lot more fat

then where did they get the calories from to do that?

------

Or is the argument that these adenoviruses make people uncontrollably

and irresistably hungry? So that it is not their fault they eat

more? Or is the excuse that the virus destroys a person's ability to

discipline the amount they eat?

Or are these people simply no different from the healthy weight

people, except that they voluntarily choose to eat more?

------

It seems to me that none of these studies so far go anywhere remotely

close to providing rational, and credible, answers to the above

questions.

Rodney.

>

> --- In , " citpeks " <citpeks@y...>

wrote:

> >

> > http://news./s/nm/20060130/hl_nm/virus_obesity_dc

> >

> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Researchers have identified a new

human

> > virus that increases fat deposits and, paradoxically, reduces

> > triglyceride levels in animals,

> ---------------------------

> Yes, and in the spirit of blowing people's minds on Monday morning,

> consider this:

>

> http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/44/15718

>

> The gut microbiota as an environmental factor that regulates fat

storage

>

> " Our findings suggest that the gut microbiota is an important

> environmental factor that affects energy harvest from the diet and

> energy storage in the host. "

>

> A whole interesting concept that we're really symbionts (shadows of

> " alien " ). Our intestines co-involved with the bacteria that they

> harbor - and these bacteria can actually markedly affect our

> metabolism. In fact, in one study, mice raised in a completely

> sterile environment had marked atrophy of the intestines.

>

> So there are a lot of things out there that we don't yet fully

> understand about all of this!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A guy named Farris, wrote a book "The pot belly syndrome" - similar.

Haven't read it, not my relative, don't endorse it, just mention it.

I just have to wonder if a COLONOSCOPY doesn't kill it what does?

Regards.

[ ] Bacteroides thetaiotaomicron and fat storage

>> http://news./s/nm/20060130/hl_nm/virus_obesity_dc> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Researchers have identified a new human> virus that increases fat deposits and, paradoxically, reduces> triglyceride levels in animals,---------------------------Yes, and in the spirit of blowing people's minds on Monday morning,consider this:http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/44/15718The gut microbiota as an environmental factor that regulates fat storage " Our findings suggest that the gut microbiota is an importantenvironmental factor that affects energy harvest from the diet andenergy storage in the host."A whole interesting concept that we're really symbionts (shadows of"alien"). Our intestines co-involved with the bacteria that theyharbor - and these bacteria can actually markedly affect ourmetabolism. In fact, in one study, mice raised in a completelysterile environment had marked atrophy of the intestines. So there are a lot of things out there that we don't yet fullyunderstand about all of this!

[Guest guest]

A guy named Farris, wrote a book "The pot belly syndrome" - similar.

Haven't read it, not my relative, don't endorse it, just mention it.

I just have to wonder if a COLONOSCOPY doesn't kill it what does?

Regards.

[ ] Bacteroides thetaiotaomicron and fat storage

>> http://news./s/nm/20060130/hl_nm/virus_obesity_dc> > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Researchers have identified a new human> virus that increases fat deposits and, paradoxically, reduces> triglyceride levels in animals,---------------------------Yes, and in the spirit of blowing people's minds on Monday morning,consider this:http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/101/44/15718The gut microbiota as an environmental factor that regulates fat storage " Our findings suggest that the gut microbiota is an importantenvironmental factor that affects energy harvest from the diet andenergy storage in the host."A whole interesting concept that we're really symbionts (shadows of"alien"). Our intestines co-involved with the bacteria that theyharbor - and these bacteria can actually markedly affect ourmetabolism. In fact, in one study, mice raised in a completelysterile environment had marked atrophy of the intestines. So there are a lot of things out there that we don't yet fullyunderstand about all of this!