Re: Feed a fever to speed virus cure?

[Guest guest]

In my experience, once a cold has settled in there's not too much you can do about it. And if you also have a fever it sounds like it could be more than just a cold.

If you read the files (not the archives) you will see a file called " CR Made Easy " in the Beginning CRON folder. This is the easiest way to do CR, much easier than " watching for a lower body temperature " , which is a method that I am hearing about for the first time.

And if you eat a CRON type diet (again in the files) illness should be extremely rare. The last time I had a cold was 3 months after starting CRON (in the year 2000). I remember it because I was very disappointed that my diet hadn't worked its' magic on my immune system yet. I haven't had a full blown cold since, only the hint now and then that a cold was coming on and then........nothing.

Although I have never experienced the physical " high " that DR W wrote about (I feel about the same as before), I do marvel that I never get sick anymore .

How long have you been doing CRON? Because if it's for any length of time and if you're eating ON, you shouldn't be getting sick. Or at least very rarely.

on 5/2/2006 5:03 PM, daoud1953 at @... wrote:

Hello All,

I couldn't find anything on the archives on this topic, so I'll pose

the question to the group.

As background: I am doing a lazy person's form of CR, in which I am

not counting calories consumed but am instead watching for a lower-

than-normal body temperature as an indicator that I am restricting

calories.

Currently, I have a cold, and am running a little fever, which I see

as an infection-fighting response that I would like to encourage.

I am currently in the habit of eating once per day, and I typically

see my body temperature dropping during the 6 or 8 hours leading up

to feeding time.

I am wondering if I would fight infection better if I fed myself

earlier and more frequently while I have this cold, making it easier

to maintain the fever.

Anybody have any information, ideas, experience, anecdotes, or

opinions on this?

Best regards,

[Guest guest]

In my experience, once a cold has settled in there's not too much you can do about it. And if you also have a fever it sounds like it could be more than just a cold.

If you read the files (not the archives) you will see a file called " CR Made Easy " in the Beginning CRON folder. This is the easiest way to do CR, much easier than " watching for a lower body temperature " , which is a method that I am hearing about for the first time.

And if you eat a CRON type diet (again in the files) illness should be extremely rare. The last time I had a cold was 3 months after starting CRON (in the year 2000). I remember it because I was very disappointed that my diet hadn't worked its' magic on my immune system yet. I haven't had a full blown cold since, only the hint now and then that a cold was coming on and then........nothing.

Although I have never experienced the physical " high " that DR W wrote about (I feel about the same as before), I do marvel that I never get sick anymore .

How long have you been doing CRON? Because if it's for any length of time and if you're eating ON, you shouldn't be getting sick. Or at least very rarely.

on 5/2/2006 5:03 PM, daoud1953 at @... wrote:

Hello All,

I couldn't find anything on the archives on this topic, so I'll pose

the question to the group.

As background: I am doing a lazy person's form of CR, in which I am

not counting calories consumed but am instead watching for a lower-

than-normal body temperature as an indicator that I am restricting

calories.

Currently, I have a cold, and am running a little fever, which I see

as an infection-fighting response that I would like to encourage.

I am currently in the habit of eating once per day, and I typically

see my body temperature dropping during the 6 or 8 hours leading up

to feeding time.

I am wondering if I would fight infection better if I fed myself

earlier and more frequently while I have this cold, making it easier

to maintain the fever.

Anybody have any information, ideas, experience, anecdotes, or

opinions on this?

Best regards,

[Guest guest]

Also, my dr said to call her immediately if I think I have the flu. They have new anti flu stuff, if treated in the first 24 hrs.

Regards.

Re: [ ] Feed a fever to speed virus cure?

At 05:03 PM 5/2/2006, daoud1953 wrote:>I am wondering if I would fight infection better if I fed myself>earlier and more frequently while I have this cold, making it easier >>to maintain the fever.Fevers can be serious and colds don't generally involve significantfever. So the first thing I would recommend is to see a doctorand get the cause of the fever diagnosed.Meanwhile I would forget CR and just eat when you are hungry (aradical concept I know) until you are over the fever. Hopefullythat will be soon, and you will have the next 120 years to cutback on your calories.I base this reply on personal experience, as well as on articles suchas this:

[Guest guest]

Also, my dr said to call her immediately if I think I have the flu. They have new anti flu stuff, if treated in the first 24 hrs.

Regards.

Re: [ ] Feed a fever to speed virus cure?

At 05:03 PM 5/2/2006, daoud1953 wrote:>I am wondering if I would fight infection better if I fed myself>earlier and more frequently while I have this cold, making it easier >>to maintain the fever.Fevers can be serious and colds don't generally involve significantfever. So the first thing I would recommend is to see a doctorand get the cause of the fever diagnosed.Meanwhile I would forget CR and just eat when you are hungry (aradical concept I know) until you are over the fever. Hopefullythat will be soon, and you will have the next 120 years to cutback on your calories.I base this reply on personal experience, as well as on articles suchas this:

[Guest guest]

OK, it's looking like those who had an opinion to express on feeding

during acute viral infection, seem to favor ad lib eating

then. This is my inclination too (though it's nice to have the

citation from Fadden to suggest that it isn't just magical

thinking on my part). Practically speaking, eating ad lib when sick

like this does not mean a lot of eating, since I have mostly lost my appetite.

Regarding the question of whether I " should " be sick in the first

place, and my approach to CRON:

At 06:12 PM 5/2/2006 -0400, Francesca Skelton wrote:

>...

>

>If you read the files (not the archives) you will see a file called

> " CR Made Easy " in the Beginning CRON folder. This is the easiest

>way to do CR, much easier than " watching for a lower body

>temperature " , which is a method that I am hearing about for the first time.

Thanks for this pointer. Looking over that file, I see that I am

eating within the guidelines of that file. But the approach

described in the file " A simple approach to CRON " is a better

description of how I went about the transition; for me it's easier to

simply eliminate undesirable foods forever than to cut back on them.

Both of these files seem like good qualitative descriptions of ON,

and like good advice to someone who is undertaking CRON. They direct

the reader toward a style of eating that makes CR easier.

But neither approach gets quantitative, so it seems it would be

possible to follow these guidelines (to the letter!) without actually

doing CR. It seems to me that to be sure one is doing CR, one

needs to either count the calories of the ad lib and putative CR

diets, or else look for indirect objective indications that CR is

happening. I'm too late to count the calories of my former ad-lib

diet. And I have viewed calorie-counting of my current diet as too

tedious. So, I have settled for indirect objective indications of CR,

such as lowered body temperature, which I have found to be quite easy

to measure.

I expect that in the future I'll bite the bullet and start using

software to track the nutrients I'm consuming. Probably after I get

used to it, it will become easy to do.

>And if you eat a CRON type diet (again in the files) illness should

>be extremely rare.

I have noticed that my frequency of colds has gone down (but it isn't

zero). I have also seen a quicker recovery time than usual, during

a previous cold and possibly during the current one. In both cases I

have taken the approach of eating ad lib to fight the cold.

>...

>How long have you been doing CRON? Because if it's for any length

>of time and if you're eating ON, you shouldn't be getting sick. Or

>at least very rarely.

I began reading about CRON in September of 2003, and modifying my

diet accordingly. By October of 2004 I had reached approximately my

current diet. So, maybe I should not be getting sick. ;-) Perhaps

this is another good reason to count my ingoing nutrients, to be sure

I'm not shortchanging something with my diet of vegetables, fruits,

legumes, fish, and tofu.

In this case, it's somewhat understandable that I might catch

cold. I spent ten days sleep deprived, including 5 days at very

close quarters with 100 sleep-deprived, jet-lagged engineers from all

over the world, and two 6-hour trips in an airplane.

Best regards,

[Guest guest]

OK, it's looking like those who had an opinion to express on feeding

during acute viral infection, seem to favor ad lib eating

then. This is my inclination too (though it's nice to have the

citation from Fadden to suggest that it isn't just magical

thinking on my part). Practically speaking, eating ad lib when sick

like this does not mean a lot of eating, since I have mostly lost my appetite.

Regarding the question of whether I " should " be sick in the first

place, and my approach to CRON:

At 06:12 PM 5/2/2006 -0400, Francesca Skelton wrote:

>...

>

>If you read the files (not the archives) you will see a file called

> " CR Made Easy " in the Beginning CRON folder. This is the easiest

>way to do CR, much easier than " watching for a lower body

>temperature " , which is a method that I am hearing about for the first time.

Thanks for this pointer. Looking over that file, I see that I am

eating within the guidelines of that file. But the approach

described in the file " A simple approach to CRON " is a better

description of how I went about the transition; for me it's easier to

simply eliminate undesirable foods forever than to cut back on them.

Both of these files seem like good qualitative descriptions of ON,

and like good advice to someone who is undertaking CRON. They direct

the reader toward a style of eating that makes CR easier.

But neither approach gets quantitative, so it seems it would be

possible to follow these guidelines (to the letter!) without actually

doing CR. It seems to me that to be sure one is doing CR, one

needs to either count the calories of the ad lib and putative CR

diets, or else look for indirect objective indications that CR is

happening. I'm too late to count the calories of my former ad-lib

diet. And I have viewed calorie-counting of my current diet as too

tedious. So, I have settled for indirect objective indications of CR,

such as lowered body temperature, which I have found to be quite easy

to measure.

I expect that in the future I'll bite the bullet and start using

software to track the nutrients I'm consuming. Probably after I get

used to it, it will become easy to do.

>And if you eat a CRON type diet (again in the files) illness should

>be extremely rare.

I have noticed that my frequency of colds has gone down (but it isn't

zero). I have also seen a quicker recovery time than usual, during

a previous cold and possibly during the current one. In both cases I

have taken the approach of eating ad lib to fight the cold.

>...

>How long have you been doing CRON? Because if it's for any length

>of time and if you're eating ON, you shouldn't be getting sick. Or

>at least very rarely.

I began reading about CRON in September of 2003, and modifying my

diet accordingly. By October of 2004 I had reached approximately my

current diet. So, maybe I should not be getting sick. ;-) Perhaps

this is another good reason to count my ingoing nutrients, to be sure

I'm not shortchanging something with my diet of vegetables, fruits,

legumes, fish, and tofu.

In this case, it's somewhat understandable that I might catch

cold. I spent ten days sleep deprived, including 5 days at very

close quarters with 100 sleep-deprived, jet-lagged engineers from all

over the world, and two 6-hour trips in an airplane.

Best regards,

[Guest guest]

> But neither approach gets quantitative, so it seems it would be

> possible to follow these guidelines (to the letter!) without

actually

> doing CR.

Most people automatically are exerting at least some degree of CR

simply by cutting out the junk they used to be eating. And eating

instead foods which contain many fewer calories per unit of bulk.

> It seems to me that to be sure one is doing CR, one

> needs to either count the calories of the ad lib and putative CR

> diets, or else look for indirect objective indications that CR is

> happening.

Few of us here really know what our ad lib caloric intakes are, or

were. I have been restricting my food intake for thirty years before

I even heard about CRON, simply because I noticed that, even with

modest restraint, I would put on about ten pounds of weight every

three years. So then I had to lose it again to get back to what I

then thought was my ideal weight. If I had been eating truly ad lib

the past thirty years I am fairly sure I would weigh 400+ pounds by

now. But of course I do not know.

> I'm too late to count the calories of my former ad-lib

> diet. And I have viewed calorie-counting of my current diet as too

> tedious. So, I have settled for indirect objective indications of

CR,

> such as lowered body temperature, which I have found to be quite

easy

> to measure.

There are measures you can use to judge to what extent you are

CRONized. But body temperature likely is not a very good one. My

impression is (correction please if people's experiences are

different) that even fully CRONized people have a body temoperature

only a couple of degrees celsius lower than al libbers. The intra-

day fluctuations in temperature are almost as large.

OTOH there are measures like fasting insulin or C-reactive protein

that are 80% lower in fully-fledged CRONistas. Blood pressure - very

easy to check - is dramatically lower in CRONistas. White blood cell

count in CRONistas is less than half that of ad libbers on average.

The variables I am using at the moment to do calculations of

the 'degree of CRONization' are: fasting glucose; fasting insulin;

high sensitivity C-reactive protein; systolic blood pressure;

diastolic blood pressure; body mass index; ratio of waist

circumference to height; ratio of waist circumference to butt; body

fat percentage; ratio triglycerides to HDL-C; carotid intima-media

thickness; white blood cell count; and body temperature.

If you want, you can send me as many of these data as you have

(making sure to include the WC/H, WC/B and BMI data) I can calculate

your 'CRON degree' for you. On this 'scale' someone fully CRONized

comes out at 100%. The average Joe on the street who has never heard

of CRON averages zero percent. The highest number I have come across

among people here to date is 123%. The lowest 68%. My number is in

the 70s. fwiw

Rodney.

[Guest guest]

> But neither approach gets quantitative, so it seems it would be

> possible to follow these guidelines (to the letter!) without

actually

> doing CR.

Most people automatically are exerting at least some degree of CR

simply by cutting out the junk they used to be eating. And eating

instead foods which contain many fewer calories per unit of bulk.

> It seems to me that to be sure one is doing CR, one

> needs to either count the calories of the ad lib and putative CR

> diets, or else look for indirect objective indications that CR is

> happening.

Few of us here really know what our ad lib caloric intakes are, or

were. I have been restricting my food intake for thirty years before

I even heard about CRON, simply because I noticed that, even with

modest restraint, I would put on about ten pounds of weight every

three years. So then I had to lose it again to get back to what I

then thought was my ideal weight. If I had been eating truly ad lib

the past thirty years I am fairly sure I would weigh 400+ pounds by

now. But of course I do not know.

> I'm too late to count the calories of my former ad-lib

> diet. And I have viewed calorie-counting of my current diet as too

> tedious. So, I have settled for indirect objective indications of

CR,

> such as lowered body temperature, which I have found to be quite

easy

> to measure.

There are measures you can use to judge to what extent you are

CRONized. But body temperature likely is not a very good one. My

impression is (correction please if people's experiences are

different) that even fully CRONized people have a body temoperature

only a couple of degrees celsius lower than al libbers. The intra-

day fluctuations in temperature are almost as large.

OTOH there are measures like fasting insulin or C-reactive protein

that are 80% lower in fully-fledged CRONistas. Blood pressure - very

easy to check - is dramatically lower in CRONistas. White blood cell

count in CRONistas is less than half that of ad libbers on average.

The variables I am using at the moment to do calculations of

the 'degree of CRONization' are: fasting glucose; fasting insulin;

high sensitivity C-reactive protein; systolic blood pressure;

diastolic blood pressure; body mass index; ratio of waist

circumference to height; ratio of waist circumference to butt; body

fat percentage; ratio triglycerides to HDL-C; carotid intima-media

thickness; white blood cell count; and body temperature.

If you want, you can send me as many of these data as you have

(making sure to include the WC/H, WC/B and BMI data) I can calculate

your 'CRON degree' for you. On this 'scale' someone fully CRONized

comes out at 100%. The average Joe on the street who has never heard

of CRON averages zero percent. The highest number I have come across

among people here to date is 123%. The lowest 68%. My number is in

the 70s. fwiw

Rodney.