Re: Caloric Restriction extends life (monkey diet)

[Guest guest]

The monkey diet (www.dyets.com/140001.htm) seems like a horribly

unnatural concoction! It is 30% protein (casein), 17% fat (corn oil),

and 52% carbohydrate (1:3 cornstarch:sucrose) with only insoluble

fiber (cellulose).

Tony

>

> The problem I have with the 30% is as Rodney stated it's 30 % more

than the average of 77.6.

> I already expect to live to ~ 95. If so, CR represents and

increase of maybe 5 -10 yrs more than that. Not close to the max maybe

of 122.

>

> Secondly, is there some reason to think the monkey's " adlib " diet is

junk food?

> Look at www.dyets.com/140001.htm

>

> I'm guessing something like that for both the CRed and the adlib.

> Anyone know what it was?

>

> Regardless what it was, are humans going to eat it?

>

> Regards.

>

[Guest guest]

The monkey diet (www.dyets.com/140001.htm) seems like a horribly

unnatural concoction! It is 30% protein (casein), 17% fat (corn oil),

and 52% carbohydrate (1:3 cornstarch:sucrose) with only insoluble

fiber (cellulose).

Tony

>

> The problem I have with the 30% is as Rodney stated it's 30 % more

than the average of 77.6.

> I already expect to live to ~ 95. If so, CR represents and

increase of maybe 5 -10 yrs more than that. Not close to the max maybe

of 122.

>

> Secondly, is there some reason to think the monkey's " adlib " diet is

junk food?

> Look at www.dyets.com/140001.htm

>

> I'm guessing something like that for both the CRed and the adlib.

> Anyone know what it was?

>

> Regardless what it was, are humans going to eat it?

>

> Regards.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

The diet the monkeys in this study were fed was not the one suggested

below. The study specifies that it was monkey chow from Purina

Mills, St Louis, MO, containing 70% carbohydrate, 17% protein, 13%

fat.

It also notes that the ad lib monkeys were 'occasionally fed'

a 'nutritionally complete liquid diet' from Ross Laboratories,

Columbus, OH. So their diet seems to have been somewhat more varied

than that of the CR monkeys.

Rodney.

> >

> > The problem I have with the 30% is as Rodney stated it's 30 % more

> than the average of 77.6.

> > I already expect to live to ~ 95. If so, CR represents and

> increase of maybe 5 -10 yrs more than that. Not close to the max

maybe

> of 122.

> >

> > Secondly, is there some reason to think the monkey's " adlib " diet

is

> junk food?

> > Look at www.dyets.com/140001.htm

> >

> > I'm guessing something like that for both the CRed and the adlib.

> > Anyone know what it was?

> >

> > Regardless what it was, are humans going to eat it?

> >

> > Regards.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

The diet the monkeys in this study were fed was not the one suggested

below. The study specifies that it was monkey chow from Purina

Mills, St Louis, MO, containing 70% carbohydrate, 17% protein, 13%

fat.

It also notes that the ad lib monkeys were 'occasionally fed'

a 'nutritionally complete liquid diet' from Ross Laboratories,

Columbus, OH. So their diet seems to have been somewhat more varied

than that of the CR monkeys.

Rodney.

> >

> > The problem I have with the 30% is as Rodney stated it's 30 % more

> than the average of 77.6.

> > I already expect to live to ~ 95. If so, CR represents and

> increase of maybe 5 -10 yrs more than that. Not close to the max

maybe

> of 122.

> >

> > Secondly, is there some reason to think the monkey's " adlib " diet

is

> junk food?

> > Look at www.dyets.com/140001.htm

> >

> > I'm guessing something like that for both the CRed and the adlib.

> > Anyone know what it was?

> >

> > Regardless what it was, are humans going to eat it?

> >

> > Regards.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

The 2003 study also specifies that the reduced mortality found in

this and other dietarily restricted primate studies is the result

of: " a lower incidence of chronic disease, including cardiovascular

disease, neoplasm, diabetes, endometriosis and kidney failure in the

DR versus AL-fed primates. "

Rodney.

> >

> > The monkey diet (www.dyets.com/140001.htm) seems like a horribly

> > unnatural concoction! It is 30% protein (casein), 17% fat (corn

> oil),

> > and 52% carbohydrate (1:3 cornstarch:sucrose) with only insoluble

> > fiber (cellulose).

> >

> > Tony

> >

> > --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > The problem I have with the 30% is as Rodney stated it's 30 %

more

> > than the average of 77.6.

> > > I already expect to live to ~ 95. If so, CR represents and

> > increase of maybe 5 -10 yrs more than that. Not close to the max

> maybe

> > of 122.

> > >

> > > Secondly, is there some reason to think the monkey's " adlib "

diet

> is

> > junk food?

> > > Look at www.dyets.com/140001.htm

> > >

> > > I'm guessing something like that for both the CRed and the

adlib.

> > > Anyone know what it was?

> > >

> > > Regardless what it was, are humans going to eat it?

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

The 2003 study also specifies that the reduced mortality found in

this and other dietarily restricted primate studies is the result

of: " a lower incidence of chronic disease, including cardiovascular

disease, neoplasm, diabetes, endometriosis and kidney failure in the

DR versus AL-fed primates. "

Rodney.

> >

> > The monkey diet (www.dyets.com/140001.htm) seems like a horribly

> > unnatural concoction! It is 30% protein (casein), 17% fat (corn

> oil),

> > and 52% carbohydrate (1:3 cornstarch:sucrose) with only insoluble

> > fiber (cellulose).

> >

> > Tony

> >

> > --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > The problem I have with the 30% is as Rodney stated it's 30 %

more

> > than the average of 77.6.

> > > I already expect to live to ~ 95. If so, CR represents and

> > increase of maybe 5 -10 yrs more than that. Not close to the max

> maybe

> > of 122.

> > >

> > > Secondly, is there some reason to think the monkey's " adlib "

diet

> is

> > junk food?

> > > Look at www.dyets.com/140001.htm

> > >

> > > I'm guessing something like that for both the CRed and the

adlib.

> > > Anyone know what it was?

> > >

> > > Regardless what it was, are humans going to eat it?

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi JW:

All I saw in the study was the ID information of the chow used. I

guess they figure those who are that much interested can check it out

for themselves with Purina? Purina do seem to be 'into' the subject

of animal nutrition in considerable depth.

It is a good question why humans don't eat it. But it is probably

too bland (healthy) for most people to be interested. Bland enough

not to ask for a second helping .......... and a third,

and .......... .

I have never seen a listing of the adequate chemically-defined diet

for humans. Or adequate 'chow' type diet either. But how much

different is it likely to be from rhesus monkeys? Dunno.

Rodney.

> >

> > The monkey diet (www.dyets.com/140001.htm) seems like a horribly

> > unnatural concoction! It is 30% protein (casein), 17% fat

(corn

> oil),

> > and 52% carbohydrate (1:3 cornstarch:sucrose) with only

insoluble

> > fiber (cellulose).

> >

> > Tony

> >

> > --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > The problem I have with the 30% is as Rodney stated it's 30 %

more

> > than the average of 77.6.

> > > I already expect to live to ~ 95. If so, CR represents and

> > increase of maybe 5 -10 yrs more than that. Not close to the

max

> maybe

> > of 122.

> > >

> > > Secondly, is there some reason to think the monkey's " adlib "

diet

> is

> > junk food?

> > > Look at www.dyets.com/140001.htm

> > >

> > > I'm guessing something like that for both the CRed and the

adlib.

> > > Anyone know what it was?

> > >

> > > Regardless what it was, are humans going to eat it?

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi JW:

All I saw in the study was the ID information of the chow used. I

guess they figure those who are that much interested can check it out

for themselves with Purina? Purina do seem to be 'into' the subject

of animal nutrition in considerable depth.

It is a good question why humans don't eat it. But it is probably

too bland (healthy) for most people to be interested. Bland enough

not to ask for a second helping .......... and a third,

and .......... .

I have never seen a listing of the adequate chemically-defined diet

for humans. Or adequate 'chow' type diet either. But how much

different is it likely to be from rhesus monkeys? Dunno.

Rodney.

> >

> > The monkey diet (www.dyets.com/140001.htm) seems like a horribly

> > unnatural concoction! It is 30% protein (casein), 17% fat

(corn

> oil),

> > and 52% carbohydrate (1:3 cornstarch:sucrose) with only

insoluble

> > fiber (cellulose).

> >

> > Tony

> >

> > --- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > The problem I have with the 30% is as Rodney stated it's 30 %

more

> > than the average of 77.6.

> > > I already expect to live to ~ 95. If so, CR represents and

> > increase of maybe 5 -10 yrs more than that. Not close to the

max

> maybe

> > of 122.

> > >

> > > Secondly, is there some reason to think the monkey's " adlib "

diet

> is

> > junk food?

> > > Look at www.dyets.com/140001.htm

> > >

> > > I'm guessing something like that for both the CRed and the

adlib.

> > > Anyone know what it was?

> > >

> > > Regardless what it was, are humans going to eat it?

> > >

> > > Regards.

> > >

>