Re: Cocoa Consumption: a sobering study

[Guest guest]

Yes, truly amazing findings.

I wonder why they are so few studies directed toward an evaluation of

theobromine toxicity (except in dogs). After all it is a stimulant

closely related to caffeine. We know caffeine to be toxic. Economic

reasons? One such study I found, out of india, ironically concludes

that this important compound of cacoa is toxic to the heart muscle.

What's the good of lowering blood pressure through consumption of

cocoa when there are so many other ways, if it weakens the heart

muscle? The ultimate effects of this practice are not likely to show

for many years.

http://www.ijp-online.com/article.asp?issn=0253-7613;year=1998;volume=30;issue=5\

;spage=339;epage=342;aulast=Eteng;type=0

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> > Hi folks:

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> > Just 4.2 g a day of it. And it presumably included all kinds of

> fat

> > and sugar with it. So imagine how good the de-fatted sugar-free

> > cocoa must be!

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> >

> http://heart.healthcentersonline.com/newsstories/cocoaconsumershavelow

> > erdiseaseriskstudy.cfm?nl=1

> >

> > http://snipurl.com/nce3

> >

> > Rodney.

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>

[Guest guest]

Yes, truly amazing findings.

I wonder why they are so few studies directed toward an evaluation of

theobromine toxicity (except in dogs). After all it is a stimulant

closely related to caffeine. We know caffeine to be toxic. Economic

reasons? One such study I found, out of india, ironically concludes

that this important compound of cacoa is toxic to the heart muscle.

What's the good of lowering blood pressure through consumption of

cocoa when there are so many other ways, if it weakens the heart

muscle? The ultimate effects of this practice are not likely to show

for many years.

http://www.ijp-online.com/article.asp?issn=0253-7613;year=1998;volume=30;issue=5\

;spage=339;epage=342;aulast=Eteng;type=0

> >

> > Hi folks:

> >

> > Just 4.2 g a day of it. And it presumably included all kinds of

> fat

> > and sugar with it. So imagine how good the de-fatted sugar-free

> > cocoa must be!

> >

> >

> http://heart.healthcentersonline.com/newsstories/cocoaconsumershavelow

> > erdiseaseriskstudy.cfm?nl=1

> >

> > http://snipurl.com/nce3

> >

> > Rodney.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Thank you for the reminder about theobromine. The dose they are

talking about there is 600 to 700 mg/kg body weight.

For a 70 kg individual that is 42g to 49g. The Hersheys chocolate

bar with the HIGHEST theobromine content contains 184mg.

So the dose in the study is the equivalent of 228 to 266 of that type

of chocolate bar in humans. But that is for the bar with the

highest theobromine content. None of the other bars contain even

half that much theobromine. So for most of their bars we are talking

about a dose of more like 600 chocolate bars. (I hope I got my

arithmetic right here!)

Bear in mind also that the study did not say any of its subjects died

at these huge doses. Rather that damage was noted.

So perhaps theobromine in chocolate is rather like the oxalic acid in

many green vegerables. Or the erucic acid in mustard greens. Or the

alcohol in wine. We do know that green vegetables are very healthy.

We do know that people who eat them live longer than people who

don't. So we don't stop eating them because oxalic acid is deadly in

truly humungous quantities. Nor mustard greens because erucic acid

is harmful in large doses. Nor stop drinking wine because alcohol is

poisonous in large quantities, given the large number of studies

showing huge benefits for those who drink it.

Similarly, perhaps, with the chocolate, assuming the studies are

accurate ............ DESPITE the theobromine content, mortality

is reduced by about half.

So I am looking forward to the day theobromine-free, sugar-free, fat-

free chocolate is available. It seems we are about two-thirds of the

way there so far : ^ )))

Rodney.

> > >

> > > Hi folks:

> > >

> > > Just 4.2 g a day of it. And it presumably included all kinds

of

> > fat

> > > and sugar with it. So imagine how good the de-fatted sugar-

free

> > > cocoa must be!

> > >

> > >

> >

http://heart.healthcentersonline.com/newsstories/cocoaconsumershavelow

> > > erdiseaseriskstudy.cfm?nl=1

> > >

> > > http://snipurl.com/nce3

> > >

> > > Rodney.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Thank you for the reminder about theobromine. The dose they are

talking about there is 600 to 700 mg/kg body weight.

For a 70 kg individual that is 42g to 49g. The Hersheys chocolate

bar with the HIGHEST theobromine content contains 184mg.

So the dose in the study is the equivalent of 228 to 266 of that type

of chocolate bar in humans. But that is for the bar with the

highest theobromine content. None of the other bars contain even

half that much theobromine. So for most of their bars we are talking

about a dose of more like 600 chocolate bars. (I hope I got my

arithmetic right here!)

Bear in mind also that the study did not say any of its subjects died

at these huge doses. Rather that damage was noted.

So perhaps theobromine in chocolate is rather like the oxalic acid in

many green vegerables. Or the erucic acid in mustard greens. Or the

alcohol in wine. We do know that green vegetables are very healthy.

We do know that people who eat them live longer than people who

don't. So we don't stop eating them because oxalic acid is deadly in

truly humungous quantities. Nor mustard greens because erucic acid

is harmful in large doses. Nor stop drinking wine because alcohol is

poisonous in large quantities, given the large number of studies

showing huge benefits for those who drink it.

Similarly, perhaps, with the chocolate, assuming the studies are

accurate ............ DESPITE the theobromine content, mortality

is reduced by about half.

So I am looking forward to the day theobromine-free, sugar-free, fat-

free chocolate is available. It seems we are about two-thirds of the

way there so far : ^ )))

Rodney.

> > >

> > > Hi folks:

> > >

> > > Just 4.2 g a day of it. And it presumably included all kinds

of

> > fat

> > > and sugar with it. So imagine how good the de-fatted sugar-

free

> > > cocoa must be!

> > >

> > >

> >

http://heart.healthcentersonline.com/newsstories/cocoaconsumershavelow

> > > erdiseaseriskstudy.cfm?nl=1

> > >

> > > http://snipurl.com/nce3

> > >

> > > Rodney.

> > >

> >

>