Re: Re: Atkins: Is a BMI of 26-27 overweight? BMI and mortality

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Well, I have this silly belief that he had a stroke, fell and hit his head. I've slipped, I've seen my wife slip, and a neighbor fell backward and hit his head and we couldn't tell if he'd had a stroke and fell, or fell and had a stroke. He was 90 yo.

That was on concrete and he's alive today. Atkin's is not.

So something else, IMO, was at work.

I don't doubt he had a bad heart, but he shoulda gone to a good dr.

Lotsa people live with bad hearts today.

Just my take.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Atkins: Is a BMI of 26-27 overweight? BMI and mortality

Hi folks:From Jeff's USA Today link quoted, apparently, from the Atkins Nutritionals people:"During his coma, as he deteriorated and his major organs failed, fluid retention and bloating dramatically distorted his body and left him at 258 pounds at the time of his death, a documented weight gain of over 60 pounds."Does this not suggest that when Dr. Atkins nutritional intake was returned far closer to 'normal' - that is, including normal levels of carbohydrates and electrolytes in his IV feed line - that the water that his Atkins diet had caused him to excrete, was now retained? In other words, the 60 pound increase in his weight was a reflection of his body's water content returning to normal, from its highly abnormal Atkins' Diet level.And if his weight when 'normally hydrated' was 258 pounds then:(258 x 703)/(72 x 72) = 34.99. A BMI of 34.99 is, of course, substantially obese.Much of this could be cleared up if the family would, instead of hiding his medical records, make them available to provide the evidence. This is not a case where confidentiality of medical records has much relevance. There are hundreds of thousands of people, perhaps millions, who on Atkins' advice are gambling with their health in a way that may be very dangerous. IMO they are morally obliged to make his records available. It is not as if they themselves are keeping them secret, lol. Instead, they are disclosing little tidbits from here or there that they hope will distract people's attention from the real issues. Which are: what did this man really die from? What was the condition of his arteries at the time of his death? And are the people who are following his advice headed in the same direction he was?JMORodney.>> An "official link" that includes the wifes statement of 2/04 about the> progression of his CAD> > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-02-10-atkins-statements_x.htm>

[Guest guest]

Well, I have this silly belief that he had a stroke, fell and hit his head. I've slipped, I've seen my wife slip, and a neighbor fell backward and hit his head and we couldn't tell if he'd had a stroke and fell, or fell and had a stroke. He was 90 yo.

That was on concrete and he's alive today. Atkin's is not.

So something else, IMO, was at work.

I don't doubt he had a bad heart, but he shoulda gone to a good dr.

Lotsa people live with bad hearts today.

Just my take.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Atkins: Is a BMI of 26-27 overweight? BMI and mortality

Hi folks:From Jeff's USA Today link quoted, apparently, from the Atkins Nutritionals people:"During his coma, as he deteriorated and his major organs failed, fluid retention and bloating dramatically distorted his body and left him at 258 pounds at the time of his death, a documented weight gain of over 60 pounds."Does this not suggest that when Dr. Atkins nutritional intake was returned far closer to 'normal' - that is, including normal levels of carbohydrates and electrolytes in his IV feed line - that the water that his Atkins diet had caused him to excrete, was now retained? In other words, the 60 pound increase in his weight was a reflection of his body's water content returning to normal, from its highly abnormal Atkins' Diet level.And if his weight when 'normally hydrated' was 258 pounds then:(258 x 703)/(72 x 72) = 34.99. A BMI of 34.99 is, of course, substantially obese.Much of this could be cleared up if the family would, instead of hiding his medical records, make them available to provide the evidence. This is not a case where confidentiality of medical records has much relevance. There are hundreds of thousands of people, perhaps millions, who on Atkins' advice are gambling with their health in a way that may be very dangerous. IMO they are morally obliged to make his records available. It is not as if they themselves are keeping them secret, lol. Instead, they are disclosing little tidbits from here or there that they hope will distract people's attention from the real issues. Which are: what did this man really die from? What was the condition of his arteries at the time of his death? And are the people who are following his advice headed in the same direction he was?JMORodney.>> An "official link" that includes the wifes statement of 2/04 about the> progression of his CAD> > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-02-10-atkins-statements_x.htm>