Re: Re: Low-Moderate Protein Diets Lacking Carnosine

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In a message dated 1/3/2006 2:05:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, loganruns73@... writes:

AFAIK, all supplemental carnosine is L-Carnosine, theonly difference between brands being the quality andpurity of the supplement. LEF is not necessarilyunique in their strict raw material sourcing andquality control, several other companies have similarcontrols for less cost.

Hi Logan,

Would you please give us the names of the several other companies with the same quality control as LEF but less expensive? Since I order so much from LEF it would be great to have a cheaper alternative without sacrificing quality. You sound very knowledgeable on this subject and this information would be greatly appreciated. Possibly others on the list would be interested as well.

Terrie

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In a message dated 1/3/2006 2:05:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, loganruns73@... writes:

AFAIK, all supplemental carnosine is L-Carnosine, theonly difference between brands being the quality andpurity of the supplement. LEF is not necessarilyunique in their strict raw material sourcing andquality control, several other companies have similarcontrols for less cost.

Hi Logan,

Would you please give us the names of the several other companies with the same quality control as LEF but less expensive? Since I order so much from LEF it would be great to have a cheaper alternative without sacrificing quality. You sound very knowledgeable on this subject and this information would be greatly appreciated. Possibly others on the list would be interested as well.

Terrie

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According to LEF:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/feb2005_report_mitochon_01.htm

LE Magazine February 2005

Promoting Mitochondrial Health Nutrients That Optimize Cellular Energy

"Carnosine prevents age-related damage known as glycation, ...."

And this is just part of the:

"The Mitochondrial Theory of Aging"

If you believe that statement and it's true of their supplement, it solves a lot of problems.

I prefer to believe that most of their supplement would not do that, labeled L- or not. With sufficient data, I could change my mind.

Why not just try a diff diet? Any idea how much meat (or other) I need for 500mg 3x?

Just my take.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Low-Moderate Protein Diets Lacking Carnosine

Life Extension Foundation offers a supplement containing carnosine,but most of the supplements on the market appear to provide it inthe form of L-carnosine.Are these as effective? Would they similarly address the AGE issue?Thanks,-

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According to LEF:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/feb2005_report_mitochon_01.htm

LE Magazine February 2005

Promoting Mitochondrial Health Nutrients That Optimize Cellular Energy

"Carnosine prevents age-related damage known as glycation, ...."

And this is just part of the:

"The Mitochondrial Theory of Aging"

If you believe that statement and it's true of their supplement, it solves a lot of problems.

I prefer to believe that most of their supplement would not do that, labeled L- or not. With sufficient data, I could change my mind.

Why not just try a diff diet? Any idea how much meat (or other) I need for 500mg 3x?

Just my take.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Low-Moderate Protein Diets Lacking Carnosine

Life Extension Foundation offers a supplement containing carnosine,but most of the supplements on the market appear to provide it inthe form of L-carnosine.Are these as effective? Would they similarly address the AGE issue?Thanks,-

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>>Would you please give us the names of the several other companies with the

same quality control as LEF but less expensive?

LEF Quality Control?????

From a recent independant analysis...

TRIMSPA X32 and Life Extension Chromium 200 mcg Caps were both found to

contain relatively high levels of hexavalent chromium, a potential carcinogen

and toxin. To pass the testing, ConsumerLab.com required products to have no

more than 0.1% of their total chromium in this form. In these two products, 0.4%

and 3.8%, respectively, of the total chromium was hexavalent chromium. It is not

known whether these amounts are sufficient to cause harm, but it seems prudent

to avoid such exposure.

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>>Would you please give us the names of the several other companies with the

same quality control as LEF but less expensive?

LEF Quality Control?????

From a recent independant analysis...

TRIMSPA X32 and Life Extension Chromium 200 mcg Caps were both found to

contain relatively high levels of hexavalent chromium, a potential carcinogen

and toxin. To pass the testing, ConsumerLab.com required products to have no

more than 0.1% of their total chromium in this form. In these two products, 0.4%

and 3.8%, respectively, of the total chromium was hexavalent chromium. It is not

known whether these amounts are sufficient to cause harm, but it seems prudent

to avoid such exposure.

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Thanks, for the heads up.. I think I actually bought and used LEF

chromium picolinate, back when I was a believer (in supplementments and

such).

While these days you can't be all that secure about the nutrition in

veggies either, it sounds like the far better bet.

I can't tell you what is " best " , but I'm sure trying to eat " better " .

Happy New Year (is that PC?)

JR

Jeff Novick wrote:

>>> Would you please give us the names of the several other companies with the

same quality control as LEF but less expensive?

>

> LEF Quality Control?????

>

>>From a recent independant analysis...

>

> TRIMSPA X32 and Life Extension Chromium 200 mcg Caps were both found to

contain relatively high levels of hexavalent chromium, a potential carcinogen

and toxin. To pass the testing, ConsumerLab.com required products to have no

more than 0.1% of their total chromium in this form. In these two products, 0.4%

and 3.8%, respectively, of the total chromium was hexavalent chromium. It is not

known whether these amounts are sufficient to cause harm, but it seems prudent

to avoid such exposure.

>

>

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Thanks, for the heads up.. I think I actually bought and used LEF

chromium picolinate, back when I was a believer (in supplementments and

such).

While these days you can't be all that secure about the nutrition in

veggies either, it sounds like the far better bet.

I can't tell you what is " best " , but I'm sure trying to eat " better " .

Happy New Year (is that PC?)

JR

Jeff Novick wrote:

>>> Would you please give us the names of the several other companies with the

same quality control as LEF but less expensive?

>

> LEF Quality Control?????

>

>>From a recent independant analysis...

>

> TRIMSPA X32 and Life Extension Chromium 200 mcg Caps were both found to

contain relatively high levels of hexavalent chromium, a potential carcinogen

and toxin. To pass the testing, ConsumerLab.com required products to have no

more than 0.1% of their total chromium in this form. In these two products, 0.4%

and 3.8%, respectively, of the total chromium was hexavalent chromium. It is not

known whether these amounts are sufficient to cause harm, but it seems prudent

to avoid such exposure.

>

>

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I plan to look into that, maybe our body makes it.

Typical of these promotions is to describe something we need for normal being but it's emphasized like we have to eat it.

If that were true I wouldn't be here, because I and many others have gone for a long time without animal flesh.

So I need to see the process in the body that makes it or uses it.

It is my belief that glycation is a misunderstood process, and it's only one of several hypotheses for aging.

I tend to favor the mitochondria hypo.

Checkout PMID: 16366737, eg.

BTW, I don't use a lot of supps, just a little l-carnitine suggested by a medical dr.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Low-Moderate Protein Diets Lacking Carnosine

>> According to LEF:> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/feb2005_report_mitochon_01.htm> LE Magazine February 2005 > > Promoting Mitochondrial Health Nutrients That Optimize Cellular Energy > > "Carnosine prevents age-related damage known as glycation, ...."> And this is just part of the:> "The Mitochondrial Theory of Aging"> > If you believe that statement and it's true of their supplement, it solves a lot of problems.> I prefer to believe that most of their supplement would not do that, labeled L- or not. With sufficient data, I could change my mind. > Why not just try a diff diet? Any idea how much meat (or other) I need for 500mg 3x?Well, I'm a vegetarian, so need to find it elsewhere,as it appears it is only available in meat. -

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I plan to look into that, maybe our body makes it.

Typical of these promotions is to describe something we need for normal being but it's emphasized like we have to eat it.

If that were true I wouldn't be here, because I and many others have gone for a long time without animal flesh.

So I need to see the process in the body that makes it or uses it.

It is my belief that glycation is a misunderstood process, and it's only one of several hypotheses for aging.

I tend to favor the mitochondria hypo.

Checkout PMID: 16366737, eg.

BTW, I don't use a lot of supps, just a little l-carnitine suggested by a medical dr.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Low-Moderate Protein Diets Lacking Carnosine

>> According to LEF:> http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2005/feb2005_report_mitochon_01.htm> LE Magazine February 2005 > > Promoting Mitochondrial Health Nutrients That Optimize Cellular Energy > > "Carnosine prevents age-related damage known as glycation, ...."> And this is just part of the:> "The Mitochondrial Theory of Aging"> > If you believe that statement and it's true of their supplement, it solves a lot of problems.> I prefer to believe that most of their supplement would not do that, labeled L- or not. With sufficient data, I could change my mind. > Why not just try a diff diet? Any idea how much meat (or other) I need for 500mg 3x?Well, I'm a vegetarian, so need to find it elsewhere,as it appears it is only available in meat. -

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You see, that makes me think that carnosine is not so necessary. There should be an association of neuro disorders and a vegan diet or other vegetarian diet. I believe that few of them (veggies) took/take carnosine or other supps larger than the RDA.

Granted we should be alert to new developments in that area. See my last post.

Since 1986 (the year I first saw Dr. Pearson on TV), the importance of choline and lecithin is now proven ineffective per table 3, PMID: 16004171, Complementary and integrative approaches to dementia.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Low-Moderate Protein Diets Lacking Carnosine

> Why not just try a diff diet? Any idea how much meat(or other) > I need for 500mg 3x?1 ounce of hamburger contains about 33 mg ofcarnosine, so you'd have to eat a heck of a lot ofmeat to get the 1000 mg necessary to preventdegredation. Is there any such thing as healthy redmeat?Logan

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You see, that makes me think that carnosine is not so necessary. There should be an association of neuro disorders and a vegan diet or other vegetarian diet. I believe that few of them (veggies) took/take carnosine or other supps larger than the RDA.

Granted we should be alert to new developments in that area. See my last post.

Since 1986 (the year I first saw Dr. Pearson on TV), the importance of choline and lecithin is now proven ineffective per table 3, PMID: 16004171, Complementary and integrative approaches to dementia.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Low-Moderate Protein Diets Lacking Carnosine

> Why not just try a diff diet? Any idea how much meat(or other) > I need for 500mg 3x?1 ounce of hamburger contains about 33 mg ofcarnosine, so you'd have to eat a heck of a lot ofmeat to get the 1000 mg necessary to preventdegredation. Is there any such thing as healthy redmeat?Logan

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In a message dated 1/4/2006 1:58:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, loganruns73@... writes:

Would you please give us the names of the severalother > companies with the same quality control as LEF butless > expensive? Since I order so much from LEF it wouldbe great > to have a cheaper alternative without sacrificingquality. NOW Foods, Puritan's Pride, Pure Encapsulations. LEFproducts can also be purchased from a company inCanada called BabeSkin for virtually that of LEF'smultiple-quanitty discounted member's prices.Logan

Thanks for these recommendations. Do you (or anyone) know anything about The Vitamin Shoppe and Swansons? I believe they are in the same price range as Puritan's Pride. I have tried some of their products and like them. But I worry that the lower price products may not be as pure. LEF advertises their supplements as "pharmaceutical quality." I don't know if this is worth the extra cost or even true, especially after reading some of these posts.

Any more information on this subject by any on this list would be most welcome.

Terrie

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In a message dated 1/4/2006 1:58:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, loganruns73@... writes:

Would you please give us the names of the severalother > companies with the same quality control as LEF butless > expensive? Since I order so much from LEF it wouldbe great > to have a cheaper alternative without sacrificingquality. NOW Foods, Puritan's Pride, Pure Encapsulations. LEFproducts can also be purchased from a company inCanada called BabeSkin for virtually that of LEF'smultiple-quanitty discounted member's prices.Logan

Thanks for these recommendations. Do you (or anyone) know anything about The Vitamin Shoppe and Swansons? I believe they are in the same price range as Puritan's Pride. I have tried some of their products and like them. But I worry that the lower price products may not be as pure. LEF advertises their supplements as "pharmaceutical quality." I don't know if this is worth the extra cost or even true, especially after reading some of these posts.

Any more information on this subject by any on this list would be most welcome.

Terrie

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I use walmart if they have it, or Sam's if they have it, mainly puritans if I have to order and I have used vitacost for selected items not available elsewhere.

It's always a problem when I want to order something new.

I think the price at puritan's is more oriented to demand, ie, if something drops in price it indicates people aren't buying it and maybe that means it no efficacious.

A lot of these if I see an effect it will be in blood pressure.

Look at orthocore - a vitamin regime at 43$ per month. I don't doubt the quality - what I doubt is that their regimen will extend life or prevent disease.

And there are subtle interactions, like Tylenol and diphenhydramine combination can possibly effect the utility of Flomax, eg. Very subtle, but I don't want that 10$ combination to interfere with a drug costing 60$ /month.

So I'm very cautious about any OTC stuff, and rely mostly on foods. The only ones I watch closely are Calcium (orange juice and/or milk), magnesium, alpha linolenic acid (walnuts, soybean oil), maybe fiber. All the rest from a MV (insurance, and selenium) and veggies/fruits. And an occasional fish oil cap.

Now let me ask you a question. I notice Vitamin Shoppe and Swansons

handle a new item I'd like to try maybe. Should I consider the fact they have it when others don't, a factor in whether I should use it?

Regards.

Re: [ ] Re: Low-Moderate Protein Diets Lacking Carnosine

In a message dated 1/4/2006 1:58:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, loganruns73@... writes:

Would you please give us the names of the severalother > companies with the same quality control as LEF butless > expensive? Since I order so much from LEF it wouldbe great > to have a cheaper alternative without sacrificingquality. NOW Foods, Puritan's Pride, Pure Encapsulations. LEFproducts can also be purchased from a company inCanada called BabeSkin for virtually that of LEF'smultiple-quanitty discounted member's prices.Logan

Thanks for these recommendations. Do you (or anyone) know anything about The Vitamin Shoppe and Swansons? I believe they are in the same price range as Puritan's Pride. I have tried some of their products and like them. But I worry that the lower price products may not be as pure. LEF advertises their supplements as "pharmaceutical quality." I don't know if this is worth the extra cost or even true, especially after reading some of these posts.

Any more information on this subject by any on this list would be most welcome.

Terrie

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I use walmart if they have it, or Sam's if they have it, mainly puritans if I have to order and I have used vitacost for selected items not available elsewhere.

It's always a problem when I want to order something new.

I think the price at puritan's is more oriented to demand, ie, if something drops in price it indicates people aren't buying it and maybe that means it no efficacious.

A lot of these if I see an effect it will be in blood pressure.

Look at orthocore - a vitamin regime at 43$ per month. I don't doubt the quality - what I doubt is that their regimen will extend life or prevent disease.

And there are subtle interactions, like Tylenol and diphenhydramine combination can possibly effect the utility of Flomax, eg. Very subtle, but I don't want that 10$ combination to interfere with a drug costing 60$ /month.

So I'm very cautious about any OTC stuff, and rely mostly on foods. The only ones I watch closely are Calcium (orange juice and/or milk), magnesium, alpha linolenic acid (walnuts, soybean oil), maybe fiber. All the rest from a MV (insurance, and selenium) and veggies/fruits. And an occasional fish oil cap.

Now let me ask you a question. I notice Vitamin Shoppe and Swansons

handle a new item I'd like to try maybe. Should I consider the fact they have it when others don't, a factor in whether I should use it?

Regards.

Re: [ ] Re: Low-Moderate Protein Diets Lacking Carnosine

In a message dated 1/4/2006 1:58:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, loganruns73@... writes:

Would you please give us the names of the severalother > companies with the same quality control as LEF butless > expensive? Since I order so much from LEF it wouldbe great > to have a cheaper alternative without sacrificingquality. NOW Foods, Puritan's Pride, Pure Encapsulations. LEFproducts can also be purchased from a company inCanada called BabeSkin for virtually that of LEF'smultiple-quanitty discounted member's prices.Logan

Thanks for these recommendations. Do you (or anyone) know anything about The Vitamin Shoppe and Swansons? I believe they are in the same price range as Puritan's Pride. I have tried some of their products and like them. But I worry that the lower price products may not be as pure. LEF advertises their supplements as "pharmaceutical quality." I don't know if this is worth the extra cost or even true, especially after reading some of these posts.

Any more information on this subject by any on this list would be most welcome.

Terrie