Helichrysum

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Hi List Buds

I've been looking for a reasonable source of the eo mentioned here to help

with scars... Helichrysum, also known as Immortal or Everlast, I believe..

and found 4 different varieties... please help me.. I can't figure out the

difference (besides a MAJOR price difference) of the four... any botanists

care to take a stab at these???

Helichrysum Angustifolium

Helichrysum Arenarium

Helichrysum Gymnocephalum

Helichrysum Stoechas

thanks in advance, and also... if anyone has a great source on the one that

helps with scars, please email me privately.

Thanks in advance,

Lynne in Vermont

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At 08:59 AM 10/7/00 +0000, you wrote:

>I am wondering if anybody can tell me the difference between Helichrysum

>augustifolium and Helichrysum Italicum Corsica? Which is best to use in a

>lotion (that I use for my daughter's eczema)?

in my experience, the heli augustifolia that I've had in the past worked

well for treating bruises...but was useless for skincare.

that was, I think from Croatia...it's been a few years, I know it was

middle european, and I think Croatia.

It didn't have the skin care effects nor the scar healing effects (nor the

emotional effects, but that's a different story) of the Italicuum that's

being distilled in Corsica.

the interesting thing was that, because of the price difference, it sold

for about half what the Italicuum sells for.... but sat on the shelf. The

folks who knew heli didn't want it...they wanted the Corsican, even at

twice the price.

whether or not it will help with eczema is another question.... in my

experience eczema is one of the most difficult skin problems to treat

aromatically.

But I'd not waste time or money with the heli Augustifolia any more.

Another thing... I'd consider trying the hydrosol for skincare... why not

use it as the basis for the lotion?

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At 02:51 PM 10/30/2002 -0000, you wrote:

>I'm not sure about the heli situation in Corsica (or if I do I choose not

to comment!). I know that in some parts of the Balkans, the sun reduces the

heli flowers to powder in 48 hours, so they have to distil them on onset of

flowering. This produces a different oil composition from the oil of the

fresh flowers. In Corsica I believe that both dried and wilted flowers are

used, as temperatures are kinder, and maybe fresh flowers are used too, in

areas where the stills are close to gathering sites.

Ah, c'mon tony, give us some gossip about the heli situation in Corsica :-)

What you have written indicates to me, the heli novice, that the flowers

have to be distilled at just the right time, or 'poof'. Since the many

members of the Helichrysum spp. are generally known as 'strawflower' for

their ability to dry on the plant and be cut and used in flower

arrangements, I'm surprised by the turning to powder info on h.

angustifolium, or h. italicum, or whatever synonym it is known by nowadays.

I guess this one is the exception to the rule.

>It appears to me that many people used a commercial GC/MS library to

identify helichrysum oil constituents. I don't think this is very helpful

with this particular oil - a lot of guessing might go on. Its a difficult

oil to analyse unless you have access to other instrumental techniques, and

not every analyst analysing essential oils is a physical chemist.

The oil's scent can vary a lot. I've sampled at least a dozen. Some smell

like shoe polish -- with tea and honey tones. Others smell more honey-like,

with tea and - shoe polish undertones :-) That kind of variance can drive a

perfumer batty, I'm sure. For me, however, I like heli for its pain-relief

properties, and I've found, so far, that no matter what the scent is, the

pain-relief properties are usually there.

>

>So in summary, much of the so-called analytical information on offer for

helichrysum I regard as dubious, in this particular case. Further I think

that the opportunity for chemical changes on storage are particularly

strong in this oil, and these might involve some of the physiologically

active materials.

Please elaborate on the chemical changes in storage statement, especially

if you think it would affect the pain-relief properties. I know this is

off-topic for this group, but all information about the natural scents, and

their properties really is on-topic :-) Someone mentioned recently that

the pain-relief properties are related to the harvest time. Do you agree

with that? Also, of all the chemical constituents, what ones do you think

are responsible for pain-relief? I know this can be heresy to some

aromatherapists, as they don't think that single constituents should be

isolated as the 'main' anything in an oil, that it should be the synergy of

the entire chemical composition of the oil that has the healing properties

(whether it be for pain, respiration, or any ailment.)

>Finally, when the price of an essential oil suddenly goes up, essential

oil contracts can suffer strange happenings in some parts of the world. For

example you can book a large quantity of oil, the price rises, and suddenly

the lorry transporting the oil overturns, with the loss of every d*mn drum.

Seemingly, and entirely co-incidentally I'm sure :-) these accidents

don't occur when the price of the oil goes down. I'll leave it to you to

work out if the price of the Corsican oil jumped suddenly, or if the rain

was indeed excessive. By the way, when I first tried to source rather a lot

of Corsican heli for a client a few years ago, I was told that crickets had

eaten the crop. Now there's a original excuse.........

Ha! It's those damn crickets every time, every time.

Oh, what do you think of the French heli oil? Gosh, forgot to mention this

at all. SEeing lots of folks with it now, under either H. angustifolium or

H. italicum.

Anya

http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

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On 22/09/06, Debora Leia <deboraleia@...> wrote:

> Hi everybody,

> As always learning a lot from this group. Thank you all so much for sharing

your knowledge.

> I got really interested in the healing properties of helichrysum.

> But researching in the internet I found at least those kinds: helichrysum

arenarium, helichrysum rosmarinifolium , helichrysum lanatum, helichrysum

bellidioides, helichrysum frigidum.

> Does anyone know which one is the best for healing?

Hi Debora

The use of oils other than for perfume is a little off topic for NP

group, so you might want to ask this question over on ATFE

ATFE/?yguid=227019855

Many on ATFE are also members here, so you will find friendly faces to

help out on this one.

HTH

LLx

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> But researching in the internet I found at least those kinds:

helichrysum arenarium, helichrysum rosmarinifolium , helichrysum

lanatum, helichrysum bellidioides, helichrysum frigidum.

> Does anyone know which one is the best for healing?

> bjs

> Debora

Hi Debora,

I was just reveiwing notes on Helichrysum last night. I use it in an

eye cream I make. a gent that sometimes pops up here, and frequently

on other groups, named Butch, gave a great write up on the Hels, (as

he calls them). The one he says is best all round, isn't on your

list. It's Helichrysum Italicum (Rothm.) Guss ssp. serotinum Boiss ,

only found growing in Corsica.

Notes 'Hel is great for stress related conditions..folks who feel

exhausted, lethargic or debilitated note rapid improvement from just

inhaling the oil..It's a great oil for dealing with emotional

issues...and it's a fantastic pain reliever.....It regenerates skin

tissue....removes scars..even old ones...they begin to blend in.

Folks use in dilutions of 2-4% and normally with Rose Hip Seed Oil and

sometimes they add a little carrot seed oil.

Reduced inflamation and itching ....Great for hemorrage, bruises,

traum, scars burns etc.'

He quotes " Plant Aromatics " by Watt, a must have book on safety

of dermal applications of EO's .

Hope this helps. Welcome to the group. Tons of great information,

and folks here.

Lynn

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Debora,

> I got really interested in the healing properties of helichrysum.

> But researching in the internet I found at least those kinds:

helichrysum arenarium, helichrysum rosmarinifolium , helichrysum lanatum,

helichrysum bellidioides, helichrysum frigidum.

> Does anyone know which one is the best for healing?

I prefer to use Helichrysum italicum from corsica, as I am sure that many on

this list also use. Check out the supplier links.

Sandi

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> I was just reveiwing notes on Helichrysum last night. I use it in an

> eye cream I make. a gent that sometimes pops up here, and frequently

> on other groups, named Butch, gave a great write up on the Hels, (as

> he calls them). The one he says is best all round, isn't on your

> list. It's Helichrysum Italicum (Rothm.) Guss ssp. serotinum Boiss ,

> only found growing in Corsica.

> Notes 'Hel is great for stress related conditions..folks who feel

> exhausted, lethargic or debilitated note rapid improvement from just

> inhaling the oil..It's a great oil for dealing with emotional

> issues...and it's a fantastic pain reliever.....It regenerates skin

> tissue....removes scars..even old ones...they begin to blend in.

> Folks use in dilutions of 2-4% and normally with Rose Hip Seed Oil and

> sometimes they add a little carrot seed oil.

> Reduced inflamation and itching ....Great for hemorrage, bruises,

> traum, scars burns etc.'

> He quotes " Plant Aromatics " by Watt, a must have book on safety

> of dermal applications of EO's .

> Hope this helps. Welcome to the group. Tons of great information,

> and folks here.

> Lynn

>

>

thank you Lynn,

My usage for helichrysum has centered around piercing the veil to go

within the deep accessible feminine subconscious mind for

reprogramming subtle positive commands.....through reflection.

alot of my usage of the oils is centered on metaphysical properties

and intentional use.

my mentor and inspiration: valerie worwood.

i was so happy years ago when i discovered her FRAGRANT MIND

book...as it echoed all my feelings and experiments on myself and

friends. I have been blending for 31 years.

xoxoo

L