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Welcome! You have every right to be a bit overwhelmed...but also, you must be relieved that they discovered your heart conditions and can treat them aggressively.

You are also not alone...I too am treated for CHF, and have my ICD for sustained v-tach. I also take Amiodarone ( and have for almost 8 years). So feel assured that you have company and great company (if I do say so myself!)

Welcome again and you will never regret meeting this wonderful group of people.

"Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a touch that never hurts."

-- Dickens

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Welcome! You have every right to be a bit overwhelmed...but also, you must be relieved that they discovered your heart conditions and can treat them aggressively.

You are also not alone...I too am treated for CHF, and have my ICD for sustained v-tach. I also take Amiodarone ( and have for almost 8 years). So feel assured that you have company and great company (if I do say so myself!)

Welcome again and you will never regret meeting this wonderful group of people.

"Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a touch that never hurts."

-- Dickens

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Welcome Doug. You will find a very friendly and knowledgeable group of people here. Also if you go to the group listed below and go to the BBS section you will find answers to questions you never knew you had ;-) Again welcome, you have found a new family.

Gail

Hi All! - New Guy Here.

Hi Just thought I'd introduce myself to the group. I had my ICD implanted 11 Jan 05 after being diagnosed with CHF and an EF of 20%.I'm all healed up and aside from 2 "memorable" zaps the first two days I came home from the hospital all is well. I guess my main problem is coming to grips with the seriousness of my condition and the realization that I am not invincible - until nowthe last time I was in the hospital was to get my tonsils out when I was 5,the only sickness I've had was the odd cold and the only meds I took was a daily baby aspirin. Now I'm on 7 drugs, including the "dreaded" amiodarone - it's sideeffects almost scare me more than the CHF. Since I've been home I've been reading everything I can find on the web about heart failure and ICD's, including about half of the posts on this board - you all seem to be a very caring and compassionate group.Doug (jazzer1@...)Please visit the Zapper homepage athttp://www.ZapLife.org

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Hi Doug,

Welcome to the ICD family. Although I only recently started to post some

messages, I feel that I've known all the guys & gals for years just by reading

their messages. I'm also on amiodarone among other meds since last August.

Before that I was on sotalol. I was told I really had no other choices because

of the many " events " I had. As far the side-effects of amiodarone is concerned,

I was told to have my lungs tested every 6 months and get regular blood work

done wnich I do any way for low potassium.

Stay in touch & let us know how you're doing.

Until the next time,

Chris

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Hi Doug,

Welcome to the ICD family. Although I only recently started to post some

messages, I feel that I've known all the guys & gals for years just by reading

their messages. I'm also on amiodarone among other meds since last August.

Before that I was on sotalol. I was told I really had no other choices because

of the many " events " I had. As far the side-effects of amiodarone is concerned,

I was told to have my lungs tested every 6 months and get regular blood work

done wnich I do any way for low potassium.

Stay in touch & let us know how you're doing.

Until the next time,

Chris

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Hi, Doug. Welcome to the . I never did accept the seriousness of

my condition until I got worse and thought I'd better get with the

program. My wife (a family physician) battled with the doctors about

amiodarone. It's one of the few drugs with a black box warning because

of the side effects. My EP said there's no reason for amiodarone

because I have an ICD. The cardiologist differed in his opinion but

grudgingly kept me on sotalol instead of amiodarone. Age is a big

factor. My spouse said that if I was someone in his 70s, the long term

effects wouldn't matter. For someone in his 50s it did matter.

Mike

On Feb 20, 2005, at 9:50 PM, Doug wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi

>

> Just thought I'd introduce myself to the group.

>

> I had my ICD implanted 11 Jan 05 after being diagnosed with CHF

> and an EF of 20%.I'm all healed up and aside from 2 " memorable " zaps

> the first two days I came home from the hospital all is well.

>

> I guess my main problem is coming to grips with the seriousness of

> my condition and the realization that I am not invincible - until now

> the last time I was in the hospital was to get my tonsils out when I

> was 5,the only sickness I've had was the odd cold and the only meds

> I took was a daily baby aspirin.

>

> Now I'm on 7 drugs, including the " dreaded " amiodarone - it's side

> effects almost scare me more than the CHF.

>

> Since I've been home I've been reading everything I can find on

> the web about heart failure and ICD's, including about half of the

> posts on this board - you all seem to be a very caring and

> compassionate group.

>

> Doug (jazzer1@...)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

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i understand about the concerns about amiodarane,,, after my second hip

operation i had some runs of v-tach and they put me back on it at 400 mgs a

day...

i typed in the word amioderone and it was unbelievable about the dangers

associated with this drug. lung trouble, liver troubles....and

others..... i read of a lady in pa whose dad died of lung disease due to

this horrible drug.

i was so scared that i took the 400 mgs for about a month....no episodes so

i cut it to 200,,, another month with no troubles and i finall took it down

to 100mgs a day.. so far so good..... some of these cardios dont think

about the side effects.....and the darn sure dont seem to miss us when we

are gone....there is always someone waiting in the wings to take our place.....

bob in missippi

The hell with the Supreme Court

" " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

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Hi, Chris. Oh, I forgot to mention that because I was not on

amiodarone, the ICD had to work nearly all the time to treat my

episodes, which caused the battery to drain in 3 years. The new ICD

seems to be doing better.

On Feb 21, 2005, at 8:54 AM, Agathacs@... wrote:

>

> Hi Doug,

>

> Welcome to the ICD family. Although I only recently started to post

> some messages, I feel that I've known all the guys & gals for years

> just by reading their messages. I'm also on amiodarone among other

> meds since last August. Before that I was on sotalol. I was told I

> really had no other choices because of the many " events " I had. As

> far the side-effects of amiodarone is concerned, I was told to have my

> lungs tested every 6 months and get regular blood work done wnich I do

> any way for low potassium.

>

> Stay in touch & let us know how you're doing.

>

> Until the next time,

> Chris

>

>

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

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Hi Bob. Still supporting the casino?

My cardiologist is Gregg Fonarow, the director of the UCLA

Cardiomyopathy Center. He swears by amiodarone. If you need it, he says

it is like a miracle drug.

On Feb 21, 2005, at 1:37 PM, RJS wrote:

>

> i understand about the concerns about amiodarane,,, after my second

> hip

> operation i had some runs of v-tach and they put me back on it at 400

> mgs a

> day...

>

> i typed in the word amioderone and it was unbelievable about the

> dangers

> associated with this drug. lung trouble, liver troubles....and

> others..... i read of a lady in pa whose dad died of lung disease due

> to

> this horrible drug.

>

> i was so scared that i took the 400 mgs for about a month....no

> episodes so

> i cut it to 200,,, another month with no troubles and i finall took it

> down

> to 100mgs a day.. so far so good..... some of these cardios dont

> think

> about the side effects.....and the darn sure dont seem to miss us when

> we

> are gone....there is always someone waiting in the wings to take our

> place.....

>

> bob in missippi

>

> The hell with the Supreme Court

>

> " " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

>

>

>

>

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

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Hi Bob. Still supporting the casino?

My cardiologist is Gregg Fonarow, the director of the UCLA

Cardiomyopathy Center. He swears by amiodarone. If you need it, he says

it is like a miracle drug.

On Feb 21, 2005, at 1:37 PM, RJS wrote:

>

> i understand about the concerns about amiodarane,,, after my second

> hip

> operation i had some runs of v-tach and they put me back on it at 400

> mgs a

> day...

>

> i typed in the word amioderone and it was unbelievable about the

> dangers

> associated with this drug. lung trouble, liver troubles....and

> others..... i read of a lady in pa whose dad died of lung disease due

> to

> this horrible drug.

>

> i was so scared that i took the 400 mgs for about a month....no

> episodes so

> i cut it to 200,,, another month with no troubles and i finall took it

> down

> to 100mgs a day.. so far so good..... some of these cardios dont

> think

> about the side effects.....and the darn sure dont seem to miss us when

> we

> are gone....there is always someone waiting in the wings to take our

> place.....

>

> bob in missippi

>

> The hell with the Supreme Court

>

> " " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

>

>

>

>

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

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hi mike,,,,

i still go to the casinos but i dont support them.... i walk in with 60

bucks,,,,when its gone, so am i... anytime i get a couple hundred ahead im

gone.....

last month i had a bit of a streak and walked out with a thousand......

i havent made a fortune but i have a lot of fun and i gaurantee im ahead of

them but a little bit.....

i know they swear by amiodarone but im really afraid of it... im turning

into a smurf from the side effects... i dont know why i care about

that,,,,im as big as a baluga and live by myself...... i read of all the

troubles others have on our site and i dont suffer from any of that, at

least not yet, ..... i managed to stop smoking in 98 and now as far as

drinking goes i may have two or three bottles of beer once in a

while... i used to do 20 at a time..... i miss those days....but changes

had to be made.... my biggest trouble is being short of breath if i move

to quickly.... i take short walks everyday with my dog and the hips are

improving a bit more every day..... i finally put the wheechair away and

turned it into an ornament for future use if needed,,,,, im really proud

of that accomplishment...

take care and good health.......

bob in missippi

northern by birth,

SOUTHERN BY A DAMN GOOD CHOICE

The hell with the Supreme Court

" " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

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hi mike,,,,

i still go to the casinos but i dont support them.... i walk in with 60

bucks,,,,when its gone, so am i... anytime i get a couple hundred ahead im

gone.....

last month i had a bit of a streak and walked out with a thousand......

i havent made a fortune but i have a lot of fun and i gaurantee im ahead of

them but a little bit.....

i know they swear by amiodarone but im really afraid of it... im turning

into a smurf from the side effects... i dont know why i care about

that,,,,im as big as a baluga and live by myself...... i read of all the

troubles others have on our site and i dont suffer from any of that, at

least not yet, ..... i managed to stop smoking in 98 and now as far as

drinking goes i may have two or three bottles of beer once in a

while... i used to do 20 at a time..... i miss those days....but changes

had to be made.... my biggest trouble is being short of breath if i move

to quickly.... i take short walks everyday with my dog and the hips are

improving a bit more every day..... i finally put the wheechair away and

turned it into an ornament for future use if needed,,,,, im really proud

of that accomplishment...

take care and good health.......

bob in missippi

northern by birth,

SOUTHERN BY A DAMN GOOD CHOICE

The hell with the Supreme Court

" " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

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Hi Gail thanks for the warm welcome...I'll check out the BBS.

> Welcome Doug. You will find a very friendly and knowledgeable

group of people here. Also if you go to the group listed below and

go to the BBS section you will find answers to questions you never

knew you had ;-) Again welcome, you have found a new family.

>

> Gail

>

> > Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

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>

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Hi Chris

Thanks for the welcome, I think you are right, in that

there really aren't a lot of choices other than amiodarone,

with the possible exception of sotalol.

take care

Doug

> Hi Doug,

>

> Welcome to the ICD family. Although I only recently started to

post some messages, I feel that I've known all the guys & gals for

years just by reading their messages. I'm also on amiodarone among

other meds since last August. Before that I was on sotalol. I was

told I really had no other choices because of the many " events " I

had. As far the side-effects of amiodarone is concerned, I was told

to have my lungs tested every 6 months and get regular blood work

done wnich I do any way for low potassium.

>

> Stay in touch & let us know how you're doing.

>

> Until the next time,

> Chris

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Hi Chris

Thanks for the welcome, I think you are right, in that

there really aren't a lot of choices other than amiodarone,

with the possible exception of sotalol.

take care

Doug

> Hi Doug,

>

> Welcome to the ICD family. Although I only recently started to

post some messages, I feel that I've known all the guys & gals for

years just by reading their messages. I'm also on amiodarone among

other meds since last August. Before that I was on sotalol. I was

told I really had no other choices because of the many " events " I

had. As far the side-effects of amiodarone is concerned, I was told

to have my lungs tested every 6 months and get regular blood work

done wnich I do any way for low potassium.

>

> Stay in touch & let us know how you're doing.

>

> Until the next time,

> Chris

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Bob,

Why do I get a

double message from you each time you post??

I checked the

TO: section & you have Zaplist

twice in there—is everyone else getting 2 copies of the messages.

I like your

postings, but really don’t need twice!! J

Janet S

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Hi Bobby

Where in Mississippi do you live? I spent about 3 years in Biloxi

in the mid 70's, had a great time.

I also read from your postings that you've had hip surgeries as

well, but am glad to hear that you are now using the wheelchair as

as an ornament, you've been through a lot.

take care

Doug

> i understand about the concerns about amiodarane,,, after my

second hip

> operation i had some runs of v-tach and they put me back on it at

400 mgs a

> day...

>

> i typed in the word amioderone and it was unbelievable about the

dangers

> associated with this drug. lung trouble, liver troubles....and

> others..... i read of a lady in pa whose dad died of lung disease

due to

> this horrible drug.

>

> i was so scared that i took the 400 mgs for about a month....no

episodes so

> i cut it to 200,,, another month with no troubles and i finall

took it down

> to 100mgs a day.. so far so good..... some of these cardios dont

think

> about the side effects.....and the darn sure dont seem to miss us

when we

> are gone....there is always someone waiting in the wings to take

our place.....

>

> bob in missippi

>

> The hell with the Supreme Court

>

> " " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

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Hi Bobby

Where in Mississippi do you live? I spent about 3 years in Biloxi

in the mid 70's, had a great time.

I also read from your postings that you've had hip surgeries as

well, but am glad to hear that you are now using the wheelchair as

as an ornament, you've been through a lot.

take care

Doug

> i understand about the concerns about amiodarane,,, after my

second hip

> operation i had some runs of v-tach and they put me back on it at

400 mgs a

> day...

>

> i typed in the word amioderone and it was unbelievable about the

dangers

> associated with this drug. lung trouble, liver troubles....and

> others..... i read of a lady in pa whose dad died of lung disease

due to

> this horrible drug.

>

> i was so scared that i took the 400 mgs for about a month....no

episodes so

> i cut it to 200,,, another month with no troubles and i finall

took it down

> to 100mgs a day.. so far so good..... some of these cardios dont

think

> about the side effects.....and the darn sure dont seem to miss us

when we

> are gone....there is always someone waiting in the wings to take

our place.....

>

> bob in missippi

>

> The hell with the Supreme Court

>

> " " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

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Bob, really good news about putting away the wheelchair. It's been a

long time in coming. Walk on.

M

On Feb 21, 2005, at 2:05 PM, RJS wrote:

>

> hi mike,,,,

>

> i still go to the casinos but i dont support them.... i walk in with

> 60

> bucks,,,,when its gone, so am i... anytime i get a couple hundred

> ahead im

> gone.....

>

> last month i had a bit of a streak and walked out with a thousand......

>

> i havent made a fortune but i have a lot of fun and i gaurantee im

> ahead of

> them but a little bit.....

>

> i know they swear by amiodarone but im really afraid of it... im

> turning

> into a smurf from the side effects... i dont know why i care about

> that,,,,im as big as a baluga and live by myself...... i read of all

> the

> troubles others have on our site and i dont suffer from any of that,

> at

> least not yet, ..... i managed to stop smoking in 98 and now as far

> as

> drinking goes i may have two or three bottles of beer once in a

> while... i used to do 20 at a time..... i miss those days....but

> changes

> had to be made.... my biggest trouble is being short of breath if i

> move

> to quickly.... i take short walks everyday with my dog and the hips

> are

> improving a bit more every day..... i finally put the wheechair

> away and

> turned it into an ornament for future use if needed,,,,, im really

> proud

> of that accomplishment...

>

> take care and good health.......

>

> bob in missippi

> northern by birth,

> SOUTHERN BY A DAMN GOOD CHOICE

> The hell with the Supreme Court

>

> " " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

>

>

>

>

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

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Bob, really good news about putting away the wheelchair. It's been a

long time in coming. Walk on.

M

On Feb 21, 2005, at 2:05 PM, RJS wrote:

>

> hi mike,,,,

>

> i still go to the casinos but i dont support them.... i walk in with

> 60

> bucks,,,,when its gone, so am i... anytime i get a couple hundred

> ahead im

> gone.....

>

> last month i had a bit of a streak and walked out with a thousand......

>

> i havent made a fortune but i have a lot of fun and i gaurantee im

> ahead of

> them but a little bit.....

>

> i know they swear by amiodarone but im really afraid of it... im

> turning

> into a smurf from the side effects... i dont know why i care about

> that,,,,im as big as a baluga and live by myself...... i read of all

> the

> troubles others have on our site and i dont suffer from any of that,

> at

> least not yet, ..... i managed to stop smoking in 98 and now as far

> as

> drinking goes i may have two or three bottles of beer once in a

> while... i used to do 20 at a time..... i miss those days....but

> changes

> had to be made.... my biggest trouble is being short of breath if i

> move

> to quickly.... i take short walks everyday with my dog and the hips

> are

> improving a bit more every day..... i finally put the wheechair

> away and

> turned it into an ornament for future use if needed,,,,, im really

> proud

> of that accomplishment...

>

> take care and good health.......

>

> bob in missippi

> northern by birth,

> SOUTHERN BY A DAMN GOOD CHOICE

> The hell with the Supreme Court

>

> " " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

>

>

>

>

>

> Please visit the Zapper homepage at

> http://www.ZapLife.org

>

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Hi

Thanks kindly for the warm welcome.

It's re-assuring to know that there are people that have been on

amiodarone for 8 yrs that are still able to talk about it :), just

kidding, but from what I've read about it,the side effects can be

nasty.

What dosage are you taking and have you suffered any side effects?

take care

Doug

> Welcome! You have every right to be a bit overwhelmed...but also,

you must

> be relieved that they discovered your heart conditions and can

treat them

> aggressively.

>

> You are also not alone...I too am treated for CHF, and have my ICD

for

> sustained v-tach. I also take Amiodarone ( and have for almost 8

years). So feel

> assured that you have company and great company (if I do say so

myself!)

>

> Welcome again and you will never regret meeting this wonderful

group of

> people.

>

>

>

>

> " Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, and a

touch that

> never hurts. "

> -- Dickens

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Hi Fred

You've been through a lot the past few months, and yes it can get

scary living alone, in my case I've been on my own for a number of

years, so maybe it isn't as bad for me - but I would be lying if I

didn't admit that waking in the middle of the night, unable to

breathe and no one around isn't scary.

I think we both made a good decision in joining this list,obviously

we need some reassurance and support and the folks here understand

what we are going through.

think positive & take care

Doug

>

>

> Hidoug

>

> i am also new to the group..had icd implanted in 2000

>

> and more surgery in 2003 and had the third lead implanted..i have

chf and a EF of 35% I HAVE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS LATELY

>

> AND WILL TALK MORE LATER AS I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT AT THE CHF

CLINIC IN AN HOUR... I LIVE ALONE NOW ..MY WIFE DIED LAST NOVEMBER

4TH WE HAD NO CHILDREN AND SHE WAS A LONG TERM DIABETIC WITH OPEN

HEART SURGERY AND ALL OF THE SIDE AFFECTS THAT GO WITH ITGOOD LUCK

TO YOU AND I HOPE YOUR NOT ALONE

>

> IT IS VERY SCAREY WHEN ALL YOU DO IS SIT HOME AND WORRY ABOUT WHEN

THE NEXT ZAP IS COMMING ..I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE THE

BULETINBOARD SOON ..I REALLY NEED TO TALK TO PEOPLE WITH THE SAME

PROBLEMS I HAVE ..HANG IN THERE ..MAYBE WE CAN BOTH FEEL BETTER

AFTER TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE SO WE KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING CRAZY

>

> FRED

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Mike

Thanks for the welcome - it must be handy to have a wife that is a

doc :)

I'm in my mid 60's, but am still very concerned about the

amiodarone - maybe it boils down to a decision of quality of life VS

duration?

take care & be well

Doug

> Hi, Doug. Welcome to the . I never did accept the

seriousness of

> my condition until I got worse and thought I'd better get with the

> program. My wife (a family physician) battled with the doctors

about

> amiodarone. It's one of the few drugs with a black box warning

because

> of the side effects. My EP said there's no reason for amiodarone

> because I have an ICD. The cardiologist differed in his opinion

but

> grudgingly kept me on sotalol instead of amiodarone. Age is a big

> factor. My spouse said that if I was someone in his 70s, the long

term

> effects wouldn't matter. For someone in his 50s it did matter.

> Mike

>

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Dear Doug,

You have found a second home with this group. No matter what it is that you need to deal with there are always words of encouragement and support.

The medical information that is available today compared to my first icd is amazing. You will do fine. Push yourself when you are down or in a panic, to find a calm place. For me when everything push me into an anxiety attack I stop dead and repeat for this very minute this very second I am OK then I try to slow my breathing down and focus on the faces of my grandchildren.

After your icd is installed I believe there is a period of not only physical but mental adjustment for each of us to face. Some make the transition to having a friend bunk in there chest for the rest of their life will those like me crash and burn for a while.

You may not find this humorous but looking back at it I do. When I got my first ICD I had to sign a legal document if I dies they would get there equipment back. For some reason that always just made me laugh.

Welcome

Sharon in Ohio

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hi janet,

i have no idea why that occurs... it seems to come and go and ive noticed

that others sometimes have the same problem.

The hell with the Supreme Court

" " " IN GOD WE TRUST " " "

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