Re: Math question ..... dollaring up

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Kathy, besides what is she going to do with all the change

she gets back from two dollars her and two dollars there throw it away.LOL!

For goodness sake she is not always going to have bills in her pocket. Not very

practical thinking for someone who wants to teach practcal and concrete

thinking.

Loree

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

You are waiting with baited breathe for my reply here, I know. That can be

taught many ways and when you write the goals, you will word it the way you

want.

First of all, she can count up- $1.45 to $2.00 by fives say- .50, .55, etc

until she did that 9 times or 45¢. Or she will be taught how to subtract

$2.00-1.45 that is subtraction with regrouping which she will have to build up

to if

she gets that concept. then my personal favorite will be to use a calculator

to get the answer!

You should just for fun practice now with real life situations very

repetively- something like-

" OK these chips are 25¢, if I give you a dollar, how much change will you

get? "

or " This can of soda is 75¢, if I give you a dollar, how much change will you

get? " Use every real life situation to practice these concepts that seem

very hard for sara now, but the more she practices, the more she will get it,

even if she learns that the answer to the first one is 3 quarters- after all we

dont want a future shopper, to get gipped, do we????? LOL!

Also, dont you have anything else to do like go poolside besides worrying

about middle school math?????? One more thing i just thought of- most teachers

modifying that concept will try to teach everything in a base 10 model- OK, now

youre really confused!

~ Mom to 12 DS and Diabetes Type 1 and 8 NY

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In a message dated 6/5/2003 2:15:08 PM Central Standard Time, Linman42 writes:

> Also, dont you have anything else to do like go poolside besides worrying

> about middle school math?????? One more thing i just thought of- most

> teachers modifying that concept will try to teach everything in a base 10

model- OK,

> now youre really confused!

>

> ~ Mom to 12 DS and Diabetes Type 1 and 8 NY

ROTFLOL this question was thought up in the pool lol I was thinking about

school and how I'm going to be so sad when Sara leaves elementary lol

Now what was your answer ........... I am no math major lol should she dollar

up or try to handout the correct amount?? lolol

Kathy mom to Sara 11 ............... it would be a teacher to totally confuse

me

[Guest guest]

Hi,

my son had trouble with money but as his math skills developed he was able to

work more with it. We bought him a coinulator to double check his math and

money. It can be used in the store to help figure out change when they first

start.

Jean

www.enchantedcelticharp.com

Celtic Harp Music

[Guest guest]

This is a fairly standard approach because it's easier and more likely to be

serviceable to the student in " real world " situations. The fact that it

requires the student to have at least two dollars for only a $1.01 purchase

is a good point, but I suppose it's also good to have some skooch room for

sales tax, etc in a real situation.

I think the hazard is that the instruction stops with the dollaring up

approach and the student isn't taught the more fine tuned aspects.

Judi HL

Math question ..... dollaring up

Hi

While this is on my mind lol I thought Id ask

I was told by Sara's sped teacher that when Sara gets to middle school the

way the sped teacher teaches money is by dollaring up. This means they will

teach Sara to give 2 dollars for a 1.45 item and she's to know the change

she's to

receive. I question this because what if in reality she only has a certain

amount of change, shouldn't she be counting up to the purchase amount? I

know

this is how my middle schooler now lives lol she will even count pennies to

buy

candy, ice cream etc.......

What do you all think? I did tell the current sped teacher that the MS sped

teacher will teach whatever is on Sara's IEP ............. I hate it when I

hear statements like this, it's the old square peg in the round hole deal.

Kathy mom to Sara 11

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You know, that just makes me wonder if they think the child can actually get the

concept of doing anything thing further. Okay... who's to know if the child

isn't allowed to try? That's placing a ceiling on that child and isn't fair.

JMHO

Judi

RE: Math question ..... dollaring up

I think the hazard is that the instruction stops with the dollaring up

approach and the student isn't taught the more fine tuned aspects.

Judi HL

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/5/2003 3:52:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

angel2cook@... writes:

> We bought him a coinulator

We got Maverick a coinulator this year to work on his money skills. I am not

sure that it was used. His aide was totally burned out and did as little as

possible with him. However, now that I was reminded, I will see work out some

IEP goals specific for the coinulator for when he begins Jr. High next year.

[Guest guest]

The real answer is she should learn how to spend money to the best of her

ability to function in society and be a shopper! If all she has is $2.00, she

should have an idea what her change will be, (eventually).

If she has one dollar and some change, she should count her change out- .25,

(+.10), .35 + ( +.10) = .45 or any combination of ways she can learn how to do

it. Giving one dollar and 2 quarters for $1.45 is better than $2.00 and not

getting the correct change. It will be an estimation- 45¢ is close to what?

50¢ - what makes 50¢- 2 quarters.

Practice counting by 5's , 10's 25¢ and 25¢, etc alot. She will get it and

become a great shopper, dont worry!

And yes I'm supposed to be on sabbatical- but youd never know it!

We can discuss the math furthur some day over margaritas!!!!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/5/2003 8:38:15 PM Central Standard Time, Linman42 writes:

> Practice counting by 5's , 10's 25¢ and 25¢, etc alot. She will get it and

> become a great shopper, dont worry!

>

> And yes I'm supposed to be on sabbatical- but youd never know it!

>

> We can discuss the math furthur some day over margaritas!!!!!

>

HI

Thank you so much, I now understand what you are saying and this is how Sara

should spend her money

Right now she can count by 5's and 10's, her sped teacher said by 2's is not

important to money so we skipped that lol Sara can count objects but she cant

rote count correctly consistently to 20 truthfully rote counting right now

is only needed for " hide and go seek " which is the one and only time she does

it correctly lol

Now for addition she has to use manipulative to make it concrete, doing it in

her head is a problem because it requires a type of rote counting (her

weakness) This fall all math will be done with a calculator, manipulatives and a

coinulator. I think while shopping she can carry a calculator .... like Mom does

on tough weeks lol

Kathy mom to Sara 11 ................. Ill save these replies and use them

next spring for my points with the middle school.

[Guest guest]

Rounding up to the next dollar was one strategy we used with Stefanie when

she was younger. It guaranteed that she would only be cheated of 99 cents if

someone was so inclined.

She was very slow at counting out her change and we hated to see lines held

up while she did that or counted her change back from cashiers. It worked very

well and she went on to learn her money skills well enough to be a cashier in

a coffee shop as one of her work site jobs through school.

Another way we worked on money skills when she was younger was to play penny

ante poker. We always called for everyone to ante odd amounts, 87 cents, 58

cents, etc. Very fun! I used to have 5 word problems and change on the kitchen

counter and she would put the change in the right amounts to match the word

problems. It didn't take long, and I would check at my leisure and then we

would do a few more.

Cheryl in VA

People with disabilities are here today to remind us that equal justice under

the law is not a privilege but a fundamental birthright in America.

                            Senator Ted Kennedy, during the Senate's passage

of ADA-July 13, 1990

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In a message dated 6/6/2003 4:21:27 AM Central Standard Time, Wildwards

writes:

> Rounding up to the next dollar was one strategy we used with Stefanie when

> she was younger. It guaranteed that she would only be cheated of 99 cents if

>

HI

Thank you Cheryl and Amie and all. As a parent of a younger child I am always

appreciative of info passed on by the older parents ....... oops I don't mean

that literally lol

I see in too many cases (when I am viewed as the older parent) teachers who

set to low of expectations for our kids. Thank goodness I can always double

check here I guess my real problem with this issue is the loss of

individuality in the statement made by the sped teacher. What if a kid has the

capabilities to come up with the right amount to make a purchase, will the sped

dept. in

the middle school poohoo that? Probably yes because its easier to teach one

concept to all. I bet I drive my sped teacher crazy when I am specific on

concepts I want for Sara lol.

I went to Sara's sped teacher classroom website. Our school requires all the

teachers to have a website to help keep parents informed. I was shocked to

Sara's last year IEP concepts listed as the curriculum for this class. I know

for

a fact 2 of the kids don't even have these concepts on their IEP lol Mike

said she's a new teacher and I give her the info. Anyway back on topic, I want

Sara to be able to function the best way she can without supervision. Ive been

doing a lot of thinking lately about the skills she needs to survive, really Im

doing this with all of my kids lol some of their skills really need to be

practiced more boy I sure wish kids came with manuals lolol

Again thank you all so much

Kathy mom to Sara 11