Re: bus story

[Guest guest]

This sort of thing makes me ill- but why did no other child on the bus

report this behavior??

> The driver can be heard threatening to break the

> boy's arm and beat him, and warns, ``Stop before I beat the living

> hell out

> of you.''

>

--

Leis.... Aussie mum to 5 ,Natasha 1 and Jellybean due Oct 03

An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is an

adventure wrongly considered.

G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936)

[Guest guest]

--- It was a totally special ed bus- they were all disabled-

autistic,etc. That's probably why the coward thought he could get

away with it. If the parents wouldn't have gotten suspicious and put

the tape recorder in his backpack he would have gotten away with it.

In , Leis <lisa@s...> wrote:

> This sort of thing makes me ill- but why did no other child on the

bus

> report this behavior??

>

> > The driver can be heard threatening to break the

> > boy's arm and beat him, and warns, ``Stop before I beat the

living

> > hell out

> > of you.''

> >

>

> --

> Leis.... Aussie mum to 5 ,Natasha 1 and Jellybean due Oct

03

>

>

> An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An

inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered.

> G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936)

[Guest guest]

From what I heard on the news last night he is the first one on the bus (to

begin with) and the other children on the bus are non-verbal, one was

autistic, one was deaf and mute also. The parents said there was no child on

the bus that would have been able to report the abuse. That's why I am

scared to death when our babies go to pre-school programs at 3. Most of them

couldn't tell you what, if anything, was going on. It's a real scare for any

parents but especially parents of children with special needs.

Loree

[Guest guest]

You know, I am so thankful that Austin rides the " regular " bus. He rides

with his brother, and every child on there would speak up for him. But I

don't really have any concerns. Yesterday, Austin tried to persuade his bus

driver to go to Applebees. I mean really tried. Threw in the pretty please,

everything. Now, Applebee's is at least 1/2 hour from here, depending on

which town you drive to. His aide said it was the most hysterical scene

ever. He even threw that lip out there. Dennis (bus driver) said it almost

worked! He tries it with everyone. The day his aide took him home with her,

he tried to get her to go there for dinner. If they had the time, they would

have, lol. His bus driver even made a book for him to read on the bus to

keep him in his seat. Yes, it's a small town, and the bus driver has lived

here since he was born, and everyone knows everyone else. Thank goodness,

lol.

Beth

[Guest guest]

Could be all non verbal children on the bus.

Kathy

Re: bus story

This sort of thing makes me ill- but why did no other child on the bus

report this behavior??

> The driver can be heard threatening to break the

> boy's arm and beat him, and warns, ``Stop before I beat the living

> hell out

> of you.''

>

--

Leis.... Aussie mum to 5 ,Natasha 1 and Jellybean due Oct 03

An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An inconvenience is

an adventure wrongly considered.

G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936)

[Guest guest]

They were.

I'm so glad Caty rides the " regular " bus. Her cousins can tattle for her!

Re: bus story

>

>

> This sort of thing makes me ill- but why did no other child on the bus

> report this behavior??

>

> > The driver can be heard threatening to break the

> > boy's arm and beat him, and warns, ``Stop before I beat the living

> > hell out

> > of you.''

> >

>

> --

> Leis.... Aussie mum to 5 ,Natasha 1 and Jellybean due Oct 03

>

>

> An adventure is only an inconvenience rightly considered. An

inconvenience is an adventure wrongly considered.

> G. K. Chesterton (1874 - 1936)

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well... possibly because they didn't have the verbal skills or the mental

facilities to do so... OR.... they too, could have been threatened by the

driver. Any number of possibilities could explain why the other kids didn't say

anything.

Judi - Proud mother to Jordan 7, ds and Savannah 6 Months, nda

Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough

sense to be lazy.

Re: bus story

This sort of thing makes me ill- but why did no other child on the bus

report this behavior??

[Guest guest]

Ralph, my dh is a school bus driver. He is currently driving kids to and

from a special needs pre school. There is always a matron on the bus. In

fact, I think there always has to be 2 adults at all times. Ralph has said

many times, he absoultely cannot touch any of the kids-even to help them in

or out of a car seat. That is the matron's responsibility.

His responsibility is to drive and make sure the kiddies get to where they

have to go safely!

BTW, there are no special qualification for the driver to be on a special

needs bus or regular. The background checks are all the same. (although

ralph is an excellent candidate to drive the spec needs kids LOL)

~ Mom to 12 DS and Diabetes Type 1 and 8 NY

[Guest guest]

In our district, there has to be two adults on the bus, a driver, and an

aide. Unless they are in it together, this is a very good system of

policing the behavior. It should be mandatory to have a recording

device on every school bus.

Karla in Texas

suezqpete wrote:

>

> --- It was a totally special ed bus- they were all disabled-

> autistic,etc. That's probably why the coward thought he could get

> away with it. If the parents wouldn't have gotten suspicious and put

> the tape recorder in his backpack he would have gotten away with it.

>

>

> In , Leis <lisa@s...> wrote:

> > This sort of thing makes me ill- but why did no other child on the

> bus

> > report this behavior??

[Guest guest]

We are moving into our new home in about a week, and although we are staying in

the same school district we now will live in a busing area as opposed to a

walker area. could have been receiving transportation all along because of

his special needs, but because he has a brother a grade behind him, I felt it

would be silly to send him on a bus while his brother has to walk or get driven

by me. I treated no different.

Now he will get transportation and the school encourages that he ride on the

" special " bus, but I have opted out....I told them that would be ludicrous. He

will ride on the bus with his brother and other peers. I have more fears of him

riding on the " special " bus, especially in light of what just occurred, than on

the regular ed bus. I know most of the children who will be on the bus and as I

told the school, " he will be in good hands! "

It still amazes me when the school still encourages segregation. Will they ever

get it?

Jackie, Mom to 15ds, 12, and Bradley 9

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/8/2003 8:36:40 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

jbocci55@... writes:

<< Now he will get transportation and the school encourages that he ride on

the " special " bus, but I have opted out....I told them that would be

ludicrous. He will ride on the bus with his brother and other peers. >>

We have Mav's IEP next week and transportation will be one of the issues we

discuss. I will NOT have Maverick riding on the sp ed bus, but the behaviors

on the reg ed bus are SO OUT OF CONTROL! They have an aide becuase it is so

bad, but she is rude and swears and argues with the kids all the time. I am

going to try to get them to OK an aide on the bus for Mav. We'll see. At

this point, he gets one assigned to all extra cir. activities that he is in

......like for his band concert and if he is in sports, he'll have an aide for

that after school. I am thinking,....this might work with the bus issues

also. But then again,......we'll see.

[Guest guest]

In our school district, they have installed video cameras on every bus, regular

ed and special ed. It's a shame it has to be done, but it has become the way of

the world, I suppose.

Jackie, Mom to 15ds, 12, and Bradley 9

[Guest guest]

Actually, our district did install them after a bus driver was assaulted by two

high school students. So, it just goes to show, it can happen the other way

around. Everyone can benefit from the cameras, especially our children.

Jackie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/8/2003 1:32:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

linman42@... writes:

> BTW, there are no special qualification for the driver to be on a special

> needs bus or regular. The background checks are all the same. (although

> ralph is an excellent candidate to drive the spec needs kids LOL)

Liam has a super bus driver and matron. He's had the same matron for 2

years. You can set your watch by the driver. When Liam sees the bus come

pull up he runs to the curb. The driver opens the door and shouts, " Hey Lamb

chop! Come on! " If there was anything funny going on, he wouldn't be so

happy to see them. It's a little embarassing to see how excited he is to

leave me! ;-)

Kathy, Liam's mom( 5)

[Guest guest]

Ralph is working for the same company that amanda used in pre school, by

coincindence. She was the mayor of the bus and the drivers and matrons loved

her. One of the matrons still remembers her from like 8-9 years ago!

I was so worried about the bus, she too was so happy to leave me!

[Guest guest]

Too cute beth! We went to applebees for ralphs bd and jesse loved it! He

cant wait to go back there. and austin- culinary partners in crime!

hey tell your dh that austin wants to take you out to applebees for mothers

day!

[Guest guest]

You know, several years back some kids were so bad on one of the buses that

they made MOM ride the bus ... it was that or they were going to get kicked

off! ;-)

Cheryl in VA

People with disabilities are here today to remind us that equal justice under

the law is not a privilege but a fundamental birthright in America.

                            Senator Ted Kennedy, during the Senate's passage

of ADA-July 13, 1990

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/9/2003 3:17:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Wildwards

writes:

<< some kids were so bad on one of the buses that they made MOM ride the bus

>>

Parents are always asking for to ride the Jr. High bus, but they can't due to

insurance reasons. We have found it very frustrating here, they say they

can't handle the kids and you KNOW if a parent were there certain kids

wouldn't acit up, but you can't do anything about it.

w.

[Guest guest]

They have video cameras on our school busses. I had several people at work ask

me if I saw the incident regarding the child with DS and the bus driver. They

were all furious. One of the receptionists at work told me that her son

complained about one kid on the bus hitting all the other kids (this is a

regular bus). She saw her grandson get on and the boy hit him and others. She

followed the bus and watched as the kids got off - the boy continued to hit

everyone who walked past him. She confronted the bus driver - who said that the

boys parents refused to medicate him and there was nothing that could be done.

She marched into the school and reported the incident and said it has to stop

ASAP. Well, I'm not sure what happened - but that boy didn't hit anyone again.

I know of a county where a bus driver was reported by his peers on numerous

occasions that they would see him pulled off the road with a child on his lap.

Those reports were ignored. Finally, a teenage boy snapped and reported the

years of abuse that was going on. Things got dirty as far as personnel issues -

but the man is now in prison. While waiting to be sentenced, he was out on bail

and went to volunteer in the children's ward at the hospital and a private

school - his wife was the one who reported what he was doing and he was quickly

refused entry to those places.

Like all professions, a few can give them all a bad name. My mother drove

school bus for over 25 years. She purchased many coats for children who could

not afford them, delivered supplies to families, etc. She was a social worker

disguised as a bus driver The kid she kicked off the bus numerous times and

battled with his mother was one of her favorites - and the kid knew it, too!

[Guest guest]

's Law this morning put up an IDEA update & game plan for the next

battle in the Senate.  Please go to the link below for details and step by

step instructions on how to help educate our senators.  It is reported that

members of congress are not hearing from sufficient numbers of us to make a

difference.

http://www.wrightslaw.com/news/2003/idea.update.plan.0507.htm

Please pass this information on to as many other parents and professionals as

you know.

People with disabilities are here today to remind us that equal justice under

the law is not a privilege but a fundamental birthright in America.

                            Senator Ted Kennedy, during the Senate's passage

of ADA-July 13, 1990

[Guest guest]

Re: bus story

In a message dated 5/9/2003 3:17:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Wildwards

writes:

<< some kids were so bad on one of the buses that they made MOM ride the bus

>>

Parents are always asking for to ride the Jr. High bus, but they can't due to

insurance reasons. >>>>>>

Offer to sign a release.

mom to Bridget 10

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/9/2003 4:38:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

loree5@... writes:

> My mother was a bus driver also on the special Ed bus. She disciplined her

> kids with firm words, actions (talked to school personnel, parents, etc.)

> and a lot of love, kindness and candy at the end of the week! She is 82

> years old and there are still kids who see her (they are adults now) and

> run

> over to give her a great big hug. They don't make em like that anymore.

> She really cared!!

Sure they do. She created a great daughter who's opened her heart and home

to adopt children with disabilities. It wouldn't suprise me in the least if

your daughter's not a chip off the old block either!

Kathy, Liam's mom( 5)

[Guest guest]

My mother was a bus driver also on the special Ed bus. She disciplined her

kids with firm words, actions (talked to school personnel, parents, etc.)

and a lot of love, kindness and candy at the end of the week! She is 82

years old and there are still kids who see her (they are adults now) and run

over to give her a great big hug. They don't make em like that anymore.

She really cared!!

Loree

Re: bus story

> They have video cameras on our school busses. I had several people at

work ask me if I saw the incident regarding the child with DS and the bus

driver. They were all furious. One of the receptionists at work told me

that her son complained about one kid on the bus hitting all the other kids

(this is a regular bus). She saw her grandson get on and the boy hit him

and others. She followed the bus and watched as the kids got off - the boy

continued to hit everyone who walked past him. She confronted the bus

driver - who said that the boys parents refused to medicate him and there

was nothing that could be done. She marched into the school and reported

the incident and said it has to stop ASAP. Well, I'm not sure what

happened - but that boy didn't hit anyone again.

>

> I know of a county where a bus driver was reported by his peers on

numerous occasions that they would see him pulled off the road with a child

on his lap. Those reports were ignored. Finally, a teenage boy snapped and

reported the years of abuse that was going on. Things got dirty as far as

personnel issues - but the man is now in prison. While waiting to be

sentenced, he was out on bail and went to volunteer in the children's ward

at the hospital and a private school - his wife was the one who reported

what he was doing and he was quickly refused entry to those places.

>

> Like all professions, a few can give them all a bad name. My mother drove

school bus for over 25 years. She purchased many coats for children who

could not afford them, delivered supplies to families, etc. She was a

social worker disguised as a bus driver The kid she kicked off the bus

numerous times and battled with his mother was one of her favorites - and

the kid knew it, too!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great idea!!!

Re: bus story

>

>

> In a message dated 5/9/2003 3:17:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

Wildwards

> writes:

>

> << some kids were so bad on one of the buses that they made MOM ride the

bus

> >>

> Parents are always asking for to ride the Jr. High bus, but they can't

due to

> insurance reasons. >>>>>>

>

>

>

> Offer to sign a release.

>

> mom to Bridget 10

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/9/2003 10:33:33 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

loree5@... writes:

<< Offer to sign a release. >>

Yup, great idea, and we did it. But they refused it. I finally took my son

off the bus. Also, the buses here all have the video camera's on them, but

they are seldom running...AND, if the bus is turned off, the camera

stops..and that has happened in the past also.

This is NOT the case with ALL the buses in our district, there ARE many good

drivers, many of my friends, but then....there are those few...that cause the

problems.

w.