Re: Re: Green Smoothie Warning

[Guest guest]

Joyce, I don’t

have a link. This was in an email, from Clever Homemakers Group, just like

your email from the vitamix group asking for the link. She gave her personal

story of green smoothies causing her kidney stones and she did not say how she

heard the other story. I left her name on it so you could see it was a real

person sharing her story.

Marsha

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of hatchjoyce

Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:43

PM

Subject: Re:

Green Smoothie Warning

gosh, that sounds awful; could you provide a link to

the information, I'd like to read it. thanks, Joyce

>

> I got this in an email this AM from Clever Homeakers' group. I've known

> about switching off greens because of LeeAnn,

but in case others haven't

> heard this, I thought I'd share.

>

>

>

> Greetings~

>

> Just a heads up regarding green smoothies....too much of a good thing can

be

> bad. Please read:

>

> I'm a HUGE green smoothie lover. Been enjoying them for many months. One

> morning, while sipping on a spinach smoothie, I started having an intense

> pain in my back, around the kidney area. It was a back pain I never

> experienced before. Very strange but I blew it off. Next green smoothie,

the

> pain came again. It was so weird!! After the third pain episode, decided

to

> do some googling of 'green smoothie kidney pain'. Well, sure enough green,

> leafy veggies can cause KIDNEY STONES!! Especially my beloved spinach!! I

> was shocked!

>

> Green smoothie advocates will tell you to ALWAYS switch up your greens and

> never have the same green 2 days in a row. Each green has a unique level

of

> nutrients. I LOVE spinach but did vary my greens...kale, turnip and beet

> greens, etc. Didn't matter. The oxalates in the greens can cause kidney

> stones. Plain and simple.

>

> I'm following a kidney stone diet now.

>

> Please, if you are prone to any kind of kidney issue, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

This

> seemingly innocent and healthy drink can be harmful. I'm soooooo bummed!

>

> Oh and did you read the article about the 88 y/o Chinese woman who ate 2

> pounds of raw bok choy everyday? She wound up in a coma! I almost fell of

my

> chair. Apparently, there's an enzyme in (uncooked) cabbage that affects

the

> thyroid. She was eating huge amounts of it in an effort to control her

> diabetes.

>

> <sigh>

>

> Hope this helps someone avoid the pain I'm going through.

>

> ~Kelli

>

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[Guest guest]

If you do a search on Google, you'll find plenty of references. How reliable they are is another question. This is the top listed one:http://vegetarian.lovetoknow.com/Green_Smoothie_Oxalate

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Marsha <werus@...> wrote:

Joyce, I don’t

have a link.   This was in an email, from Clever Homemakers Group, just like

your email from the vitamix group asking for the link.  She gave her personal

story of green smoothies causing her kidney stones and she did not say how she

heard the other story.  I left her name on it so you could see it was a real

person sharing her story.

Marsha

[Guest guest]

I found this info helpful from greensmoothiegirl. Very sorry for your pain . Margiehttp://www.greensmoothiegirl.com/blog/2010/01/01/raw-green-food-and-kidney-stones/From: Marsha <werus@...>Subject: RE: Re: Green Smoothie Warning Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 12:47 PM

Joyce, I don’t

have a link. This was in an email, from Clever Homemakers Group, just like

your email from the vitamix group asking for the link. She gave her personal

story of green smoothies causing her kidney stones and she did not say how she

heard the other story. I left her name on it so you could see it was a real

person sharing her story. Marsha

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of hatchjoyce

Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:43

PM

Subject: [ ] Re:

Green Smoothie Warning

gosh, that sounds awful; could you provide a link to

the information, I'd like to read it. thanks, Joyce

>

> I got this in an email this AM from Clever Homeakers' group. I've known

> about switching off greens because of Lee Ann ,

but in case others haven't

> heard this, I thought I'd share.

>

>

>

> Greetings~

>

> Just a heads up regarding green smoothies... .too much of a good thing can

be

> bad. Please read:

>

> I'm a HUGE green smoothie lover. Been enjoying them for many months. One

> morning, while sipping on a spinach smoothie, I started having an intense

> pain in my back, around the kidney area. It was a back pain I never

> experienced before. Very strange but I blew it off. Next green smoothie,

the

> pain came again. It was so weird!! After the third pain episode, decided

to

> do some googling of 'green smoothie kidney pain'. Well, sure enough green,

> leafy veggies can cause KIDNEY STONES!! Especially my beloved spinach!! I

> was shocked!

>

> Green smoothie advocates will tell you to ALWAYS switch up your greens and

> never have the same green 2 days in a row. Each green has a unique level

of

> nutrients. I LOVE spinach but did vary my greens...kale, turnip and beet

> greens, etc. Didn't matter. The oxalates in the greens can cause kidney

> stones. Plain and simple.

>

> I'm following a kidney stone diet now.

>

> Please, if you are prone to any kind of kidney issue, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

This

> seemingly innocent and healthy drink can be harmful. I'm soooooo bummed!

>

> Oh and did you read the article about the 88 y/o Chinese woman who ate 2

> pounds of raw bok choy everyday? She wound up in a coma! I almost fell of

my

> chair. Apparently, there's an enzyme in (uncooked) cabbage that affects

the

> thyroid. She was eating huge amounts of it in an effort to control her

> diabetes.

>

> <sigh>

>

> Hope this helps someone avoid the pain I'm going through.

>

> ~Kelli

>

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[Guest guest]

The Nikken pi mag unit has been researched and proven to not work as advertised unless it is using "sterile" water to begin with. It was tested in response to using it after natural disasters as a way to purify water compromised by disasaters, and was proven to be unsafe. (keep in mind there are as many "studies" that say it is safe as opposed to those who say it is fraud, so your own discretion applies here=I personally would not use it, since it is shown to not remove chemicals in the water you start with) "Enhanced" water is water that has had minerals added to it-many times those "minerals" are nothing more than sanitizing chemicals, and they are often derived from sources that are questionable and allergenic-a BIG problem for those of us with chronic allergies. Its sad that there is so much hype and misinformation about water, but

even sadder is that good quality water is really hard to come by. The bottled/filtered water industry is a huge scam. Often, the plastics water come packaged in cause toxins to be released into the water. Again, a big problem for anyone with an allergy to corn, since corn is often used in the packaging. Water has been my nightmare product for more years than I can count-contributing to many of my health ailments. Thankfully, I finally figured it out and have improved dramatically, but I certainly learned the hard way that water is a big issue.From: hatchjoyce <Joyce_Handy@...>Subject: Re: Green Smoothie Warning Date: Saturday, July

17, 2010, 10:41 AM

Hi Margie,

We use Nikken Pi Mag water which has minerals in it; no chemical purification involved--what are you referring to when you say "enhanced" water? thanks, Joyce

> >

> > Thanks, Margie,

> >

> > I don't consume sugar or soda, but do use salt. I rotate my greens, drink tons of purified water and I have so many other things to worry about that I'm not going to fret about this!

> >

> > thanks,

> >

> > Joyce

> >

> Not to be an alarmist, but "purified" water is bad news-usually contains as many chemicals as tap water-its "purified" with chlorine, as a rule. "Enhanced" water is equally as bad. Just a heads up from someone who was getting as sick from my "pure" water as I was from other things. I now drink spring water only. And I recommend sea salt to avoid the anti caking stuff in regular salt. Again, only posting because I found these two things to be totally interfering with my efforts to good health.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is why I always wanted a Berkey and now have a fake Berkey made by my metal working man :DKim in ORFrom: Berry <berrywell@...>Subject: Re: Re: Green Smoothie Warning Date: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 11:00 AM

The Nikken pi mag unit has been researched and proven to not work as advertised unless it is using "sterile" water to begin with. It was tested in response to using it after natural disasters as a way to purify water compromised by disasaters, and was proven to be unsafe. (keep in mind there are as many "studies" that say it is safe as opposed to those who say it is fraud, so your own discretion applies here=I personally would not use it, since it is shown to not remove chemicals in the water you start with) "Enhanced" water is water that has had minerals added to it-many times those "minerals" are nothing more than sanitizing chemicals, and they are often derived from sources that are questionable and allergenic-a BIG problem for those of us with chronic allergies. Its sad that there is so much hype and misinformation

about water, but

even sadder is that good quality water is really hard to come by. The bottled/filtered water industry is a huge scam. Often, the plastics water come packaged in cause toxins to be released into the water. Again, a big problem for anyone with an allergy to corn, since corn is often used in the packaging. Water has been my nightmare product for more years than I can count-contributing to many of my health ailments. Thankfully, I finally figured it out and have improved dramatically, but I certainly learned the hard way that water is a big issue.

[Guest guest]

, I’m no

specialist, I just passed on the info. When I have fruit smoothies I usually

put in a handful or a variety of 3 or 4 greens. I know people in the raw food

community that eat 3#s of greens a day. I’ve never heard anyone with

this complaint before, but I have been pre-warned to change greens daily.

It might be good, as

you’ve done to have just a plain fruit smoothie or veggie smoothie more

often than not. Just a thought.

Happy blending, Marsha

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of kristinjlee

Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:09

PM

Subject: Re:

Green Smoothie Warning

WOW! thank you for this info. I just inherited my

vitamix from my Grandfather and was very excited to start. Last thursday was my

first time using it so I made a green smoothie with lots of greens and spinach.

It was good and I felt great until later on that night. I was exhausted and had

bad pain in the kidney area (never had that before). Went to bed early and the

next day I felt fine but had a fruit smoothie instead. I wonder if it was the

greens bothering my kidneys? I only had one big glass. What do you think?

I am new here and glad I found you

thanks

>

> I got this in an email this AM from Clever Homeakers' group. I've known

> about switching off greens because of LeeAnn,

but in case others haven't

> heard this, I thought I'd share.

>

>

>

> Greetings~

>

> Just a heads up regarding green smoothies....too much of a good thing can

be

> bad. Please read:

>

> I'm a HUGE green smoothie lover. Been enjoying them for many months. One

> morning, while sipping on a spinach smoothie, I started having an intense

> pain in my back, around the kidney area. It was a back pain I never

> experienced before. Very strange but I blew it off. Next green smoothie,

the

> pain came again. It was so weird!! After the third pain episode, decided

to

> do some googling of 'green smoothie kidney pain'. Well, sure enough green,

> leafy veggies can cause KIDNEY STONES!! Especially my beloved spinach!! I

> was shocked!

>

> Green smoothie advocates will tell you to ALWAYS switch up your greens and

> never have the same green 2 days in a row. Each green has a unique level

of

> nutrients. I LOVE spinach but did vary my greens...kale, turnip and beet

> greens, etc. Didn't matter. The oxalates in the greens can cause kidney

> stones. Plain and simple.

>

> I'm following a kidney stone diet now.

>

> Please, if you are prone to any kind of kidney issue, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

This

> seemingly innocent and healthy drink can be harmful. I'm soooooo bummed!

>

> Oh and did you read the article about the 88 y/o Chinese woman who ate 2

> pounds of raw bok choy everyday? She wound up in a coma! I almost fell of

my

> chair. Apparently, there's an enzyme in (uncooked) cabbage that affects

the

> thyroid. She was eating huge amounts of it in an effort to control her

> diabetes.

>

> <sigh>

>

> Hope this helps someone avoid the pain I'm going through.

>

> ~Kelli

>

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[Guest guest]

Kelli Will you  provide more information on the kidney stone diet you are using?KooLarry

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Marsha <werus@...> wrote:

 

, I’m no

specialist, I just passed on the info.  When I have fruit smoothies I usually

put in a handful or a variety of 3 or 4 greens.  I know people in the raw food

community that eat 3#s of greens a day.  I’ve never heard anyone with

this complaint before, but I have been pre-warned to change greens daily.

 

It might be good, as

you’ve done to have just a plain fruit smoothie or veggie smoothie more

often than not.  Just a thought.

 

Happy blending, Marsha

 

 

 

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of kristinjlee

Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:09

PM

Subject: Re:

Green Smoothie Warning

 

 

WOW! thank you for this info. I just inherited my

vitamix from my Grandfather and was very excited to start. Last thursday was my

first time using it so I made a green smoothie with lots of greens and spinach.

It was good and I felt great until later on that night. I was exhausted and had

bad pain in the kidney area (never had that before). Went to bed early and the

next day I felt fine but had a fruit smoothie instead. I wonder if it was the

greens bothering my kidneys? I only had one big glass. What do you think?

I am new here and glad I found you

thanks

>

> I got this in an email this AM from Clever Homeakers' group. I've known

> about switching off greens because of LeeAnn,

but in case others haven't

> heard this, I thought I'd share.

>

>

>

> Greetings~

>

> Just a heads up regarding green smoothies....too much of a good thing can

be

> bad. Please read:

>

> I'm a HUGE green smoothie lover. Been enjoying them for many months. One

> morning, while sipping on a spinach smoothie, I started having an intense

> pain in my back, around the kidney area. It was a back pain I never

> experienced before. Very strange but I blew it off. Next green smoothie,

the

> pain came again. It was so weird!! After the third pain episode, decided

to

> do some googling of 'green smoothie kidney pain'. Well, sure enough green,

> leafy veggies can cause KIDNEY STONES!! Especially my beloved spinach!! I

> was shocked!

>

> Green smoothie advocates will tell you to ALWAYS switch up your greens and

> never have the same green 2 days in a row. Each green has a unique level

of

> nutrients. I LOVE spinach but did vary my greens...kale, turnip and beet

> greens, etc. Didn't matter. The oxalates in the greens can cause kidney

> stones. Plain and simple.

>

> I'm following a kidney stone diet now.

>

> Please, if you are prone to any kind of kidney issue, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

This

> seemingly innocent and healthy drink can be harmful. I'm soooooo bummed!

>

> Oh and did you read the article about the 88 y/o Chinese woman who ate 2

> pounds of raw bok choy everyday? She wound up in a coma! I almost fell of

my

> chair. Apparently, there's an enzyme in (uncooked) cabbage that affects

the

> thyroid. She was eating huge amounts of it in an effort to control her

> diabetes.

>

> <sigh>

>

> Hope this helps someone avoid the pain I'm going through.

>

> ~Kelli

>

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[Guest guest]

I think a lot of states allow on-site purchase of raw milk and "young" (i.e., <60 days old) dairy products direct from the dairy; I know New York does, plus we in NYC can order it delivered through a co-op. Given that the (idiotic) requirement that raw-milk cheese be aged at least 60 days in order to be sold was issued by the USDA, such cheeses can legally be sold in any state.

Re: Green Smoothie Warning

Hi ,

How and where do you get your spring water?

thanks,

Joyce

Also, does anyone have a list of states where it is legal to buy raw dairy products (unpasturized?) It was illegal in NJ where we just moved from, but I'm not sure about VA where we live now! thanks!

>

> The Nikken pi mag unit has been researched and proven to not work

[Guest guest]

Hey Joyce,

I'm in KY and it isn't illegal to buy raw milk for your cats ;-) I have my own goats now---but had found a nice man and was buying milk for the cats to drink. Maybe ask around your area.

Stacey

Re: Green Smoothie Warning

>> Hi ,> > How and where do you get your spring water?> > thanks,> > Joyce> > Also, does anyone have a list of states where it is legal to buy raw dairy products (unpasturized?) It was illegal in NJ where we just moved from, but I'm not sure about VA where we live now! thanks!I am fortunate enough to have a wonderful ex husband who lugs me 5 gallon jugs 3 times a week from his house-he has an awesome spring water well. I wish I could recommend a source for you, but really don't have a clue what I would do if this darling man didn't do this for me! I have reacted to just about all other water I have tried. It was actually his idea to start bringing me water-I call him my personal Culligan man!As for raw milk, MOST places have food co ops where you can get raw milk as a member, or cow share programs; We had neither where I live, so I bought some cows and pay a farmer to take care of them for me-WELL worth the investment! I avoided dairy most of my life due to EXTREME allergy to milk, but I thrive on the raw stuff. We sometimes have to resort to unconventional means to get what we need, especially when dealing with chronic food allergies!

[Guest guest]

Are you sure?http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-2.html#kyOn Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Stacey Summers <asummers@...> wrote:

 

I'm in KY and it isn't illegal to buy raw milk for your cats ;-) I have my own goats now---but had found a nice man and was buying milk for the cats to drink.  Maybe ask around your area.

[Guest guest]

Just an FYI, most cats are lactose intolerant. causes stomach upset and

diarrhea. Milk isn't part of their normal diet, and doesn't help them in

any way. goats milk may lessen the symptoms. They do like the taste, so

go easy on it.

btw, see the vitamix post (with video) I made at http://www.green-trust.org

On 07/24/2010 02:29 PM, Randy Harmelink wrote:

>

>

> Are you sure?

>

> http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-2.html#ky

> <http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-2.html#ky>

>

> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Stacey Summers <asummers@...

> <mailto:asummers@...>> wrote:

>

>

> I'm in KY and it isn't illegal to buy raw milk for your cats ;-) I

> have my own goats now---but had found a nice man and was buying milk

> for the cats to drink. Maybe ask around your area.

>

>

>

--

Steve Spence

Renewable energy and self sufficiency

http://www.green-trust.org

http://makingthewebwork.blogspot.com/

[Guest guest]

I can name you four that aren't. A pity because one of them has to deal with megacolon and the vet and I hoped that a blast of skim milk (higher lactose volume than whole) would help. It didn't.

I think that what the Kentucky authorities don't know about feline lactose intolerance won't hurt them.

Re: Re: Green Smoothie Warning

Just an FYI, most cats are lactose intolerant. causes stomach upset and

diarrhea. Milk isn't part of their normal diet, and doesn't help them in

any way. goats milk may lessen the symptoms. They do like the taste, so

go easy on it.

btw, see the vitamix post (with video) I made at http://www.green-trust.org

On 07/24/2010 02:29 PM, Randy Harmelink wrote:

>

>

> Are you sure?

>

> http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-2.html#ky

> <http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-2.html#ky>

>

> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Stacey Summers <asummers@...

> <mailto:asummers@...>> wrote:

>

>

> I'm in KY and it isn't illegal to buy raw milk for your cats ;-) I

> have my own goats now---but had found a nice man and was buying milk

> for the cats to drink. Maybe ask around your area.

[Guest guest]

Yep ---I was illegally hurting the 5 abandoned kittens in our barn...just my luck! All are well---wonder if it is actually the pasturization that bothers them?

Stacey

Re: Re: Green Smoothie Warning

Just an FYI, most cats are lactose intolerant. causes stomach upset and

diarrhea. Milk isn't part of their normal diet, and doesn't help them in

any way. goats milk may lessen the symptoms. They do like the taste, so

go easy on it.

btw, see the vitamix post (with video) I made at http://www.green-trust.org

On 07/24/2010 02:29 PM, Randy Harmelink wrote:

>

>

> Are you sure?

>

> http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-2.html#ky

> <http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-2.html#ky>

>

> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Stacey Summers <asummersquickmail (DOT) biz

> <mailto:asummersquickmail (DOT) biz>> wrote:

>

>

> I'm in KY and it isn't illegal to buy raw milk for your cats ;-) I

> have my own goats now---but had found a nice man and was buying milk

> for the cats to drink. Maybe ask around your area.

[Guest guest]

ROTFLMAO

Re: Re: Green Smoothie Warning

Yep ---I was illegally hurting the 5 abandoned kittens in our barn...just my luck! All are well---wonder if it is actually the pasturization that bothers them?

Stacey

Re: Re: Green Smoothie Warning

Just an FYI, most cats are lactose intolerant. causes stomach upset and

diarrhea. Milk isn't part of their normal diet, and doesn't help them in

any way. goats milk may lessen the symptoms. They do like the taste, so

go easy on it.

btw, see the vitamix post (with video) I made at http://www.green-trust.org

On 07/24/2010 02:29 PM, Randy Harmelink wrote:

>

>

> Are you sure?

>

> http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-2.html#ky

> <http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-2.html#ky>

>

> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Stacey Summers <asummersquickmail (DOT) biz

> <mailto:asummersquickmail (DOT) biz>> wrote:

>

>

> I'm in KY and it isn't illegal to buy raw milk for your cats ;-) I

> have my own goats now---but had found a nice man and was buying milk

> for the cats to drink. Maybe ask around your area.

[Guest guest]

I think I know that well. The one just off the keene valley exit on

I-87? I'm from near there myself.

On 07/24/2010 09:05 PM, hatchjoyce wrote:

>

>

> Hi Stacey and ,

>

> Stacey--that is too funny! I'll have to ask at the local (non-chain)

> health food store and see what I can find out.

>

> How does raw milk taste? I grew up in upstate NY two houses down from a

> dairy farm. We spent lots of time there as we were great friends with

> their boys. However, I remember the times that we had raw milk at their

> house, I swear it smelled like cow manure and/or had a really different

> taste than our store bought milk.

>

> Maybe I was just too young to appreciate it; however, one of their boys

> was class valdictorian and the other Saluditorian (I don't think I

> spelled those correctly, and I can never figure out how to spell check

> on google.) Does the fat in raw dairy products have any beneficial

> properties like Omega 3's do?

>

> , you should count your blessings that your ex takes such good

> care of you

>

> My parents live near Lake Placid, NY and get their water from an artisan

> well that someone placed a faucet on so that everyone can use it for

> free. It tastes great, however, even up here in the Adirondack Park (6

> million square miles) acid rain is getting into the lakes and water

> supplies.

>

> Does anyone put alkalizing PH drops in their water? Much of American

> water supply is overly acidic and, of course, we all know that we want

> our bodies PH to be as alkaline as possible.

>

> thanks all!

>

> Joyce

>

>

>> >

>> > Hi ,

>> >

>> > How and where do you get your spring water?

>> >

>> > thanks,

>> >

>> > Joyce

>> >

>> > Also, does anyone have a list of states where it is legal to buy raw

> dairy products (unpasturized?) It was illegal in NJ where we just moved

> from, but I'm not sure about VA where we live now! thanks!

>>

>> I am fortunate enough to have a wonderful ex husband who lugs me 5

> gallon jugs 3 times a week from his house-he has an awesome spring water

> well. I wish I could recommend a source for you, but really don't have a

> clue what I would do if this darling man didn't do this for me! I have

> reacted to just about all other water I have tried. It was actually his

> idea to start bringing me water-I call him my personal Culligan man!

>>

>> As for raw milk, MOST places have food co ops where you can get raw

> milk as a member, or cow share programs; We had neither where I live, so

> I bought some cows and pay a farmer to take care of them for me-WELL

> worth the investment! I avoided dairy most of my life due to EXTREME

> allergy to milk, but I thrive on the raw stuff. We sometimes have to

> resort to unconventional means to get what we need, especially when

> dealing with chronic food allergies!

>>

>>

>>

>

>

--

Steve Spence

Renewable energy and self sufficiency

http://www.green-trust.org

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My raw milk tastes lovely! It is rich and thick, and I am able to skim the rich cream off the top, and make butter, cheese, sour cream, kefir, and other goodies from it. It tastes like regular milk, only richer-there should be no off taste at all. I am COMPLETELY allergic to commercial milk, but do great with raw.Yep, my ex is indeed a gem. We have been apart for over 11 years, but are best friends and still go on vacations together, and hang out all the time-we just live in separate houses, lol. He is a great guy-I just don't like being married, lol. Thank God for him though! He teases that he has the only ex wife willing to iron his shirts for his dates, lol.> > > Hi Stacey and ,> > Stacey--that is too funny! I'll have to ask at the local (non-chain)> health food store and see what I can find out.> > How does raw milk taste? I grew up in upstate NY two houses down from a> dairy farm. We spent lots of time there as we were great friends with> their boys. However, I remember the times that we had raw milk at their> house, I swear it smelled like cow manure and/or had a really

different> taste than our store bought milk.> > Maybe I was just too young to appreciate it; however, one of their boys> was class valdictorian and the other Saluditorian (I don't think I> spelled those correctly, and I can never figure out how to spell check> on google.) Does the fat in raw dairy products have any beneficial> properties like Omega 3's do?> > , you should count your blessings that your ex takes such good> care of you > > My parents live near Lake Placid, NY and get their water from an artisan> well that someone placed a faucet on so that everyone can use it for> free. It tastes great, however, even up here in the Adirondack Park (6> million square miles) acid rain is getting into the lakes and water> supplies.> > Does anyone put alkalizing PH drops in their water? Much of American> water supply is

overly acidic and, of course, we all know that we want> our bodies PH to be as alkaline as possible.> > thanks all!> > Joyce> > >> >>> > Hi ,>> >>> > How and where do you get your spring water?>> >>> > thanks,>> >>> > Joyce>> >>> > Also, does anyone have a list of states where it is legal to buy raw> dairy products (unpasturized?) It was

illegal in NJ where we just moved> from, but I'm not sure about VA where we live now! thanks!>>>> I am fortunate enough to have a wonderful ex husband who lugs me 5> gallon jugs 3 times a week from his house-he has an awesome spring water> well. I wish I could recommend a source for you, but really don't have a> clue what I would do if this darling man didn't do this for me! I have> reacted to just about all other water I have tried. It was actually his> idea to start bringing me water-I call him my personal Culligan man!>>>> As for raw milk, MOST places have food co ops where you can get raw> milk as a member, or cow share programs; We had neither where I live, so> I bought some cows and pay a farmer to take care of them for me-WELL> worth the investment! I avoided dairy most of my life due to EXTREME> allergy to milk, but I thrive on the raw

stuff. We sometimes have to> resort to unconventional means to get what we need, especially when> dealing with chronic food allergies!>>>> >>> > -- Steve SpenceRenewable energy and self sufficiencyhttp://www.green-trust.orghttp://makingthewebwork.blogspot.com/------------------------------------

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Flavor changes during the seasons depending on the pasture and feed.

Chuck

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On 7/24/2010 9:42:32 PM, Berry (berrywell@...) wrote:

> My raw milk tastes lovely! It is rich and thick, and I am able to skim the

> rich cream off the top, and make butter, cheese, sour cream, kefir, and

> other goodies from it. It tastes like regular milk, only richer-there

> should be no off taste at all. I am COMPLETELY allergic to commercial

> milk, but do great with raw.

>

> Yep, my ex is indeed a gem. We have been apart for over 11 years, but are

> best friends and still go on vacations together, and hang out all the time-

> we just live in separate houses, lol. He is a gr