Re: Your ancestors and your food choices -- poll

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TK: it's always a good idea to ask permission before using the list for personal purposes. Netiquette requires it.

We don't get good participation when we do surveys (see the database section on our site), so good luck. It will be interesting to know how many respond to your queries.

on 8/23/2005 11:41 AM, tigerpatronus at tigerpatronus@... wrote:

Hello All,

I've been lurking and occasionally posting here for a while, and

CRON-ing for quite a few years. I'm working on some research in this

area. My hypothesis is that one's genetic background influences

one's food choices, even within a CR-framework. Since this board is

a fantastic resource of folks who are CRON-ing, I'd like to ask you

all a few questions. Please reply to this post or, if you would

prefer privacy, email me.

1. What is your predominant genetic background or which ancestors

are you most like? (Example: although I am only 1/4 Native American,

my body is an Apache. I am just like my Apache relatives in body

shape, triglycerides level, diabetes predisposition, alcohol

tolerance, gluten intolerance, etc.)

Please pick one:

A) Northern Europe (Scandinavia), Northern Asia (Russias,

Mongolia, Northwestern China), Iceland, Greenland.

Central North America, eastern South America (Brazil, etc.)

eastern Africa (Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya), Central Europe (British

Isles, northern France, northern Spain, Germany, Poland, Austria)

and parts of Asia (eastern China and northern India).

C) Southwestern North America (Apaches, Commanches, Dinae,

Akimel Au-Authm, Mexicans from northern Mexico, etc.), African-

Americans (descended from people enslaved before the Civil War),

northwestern Africa (southern Algeria, Niger, Sudan, Mali,

Mauritania, etc.), central Asia (Saudi Arabia and western China)

European-descended Australians, and people native to Australia.

D) areas of the Mediterranean, Black, and Caspian seas,

southern Europe (Greece, Italy, southern France, and Spain), the

Middle East (including Syria, Jordan, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Saudi

Arabia and the Arab states) northern Africa (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia),

Native American people from the coasts, e.g. California and Florida,

and Korea, Japan, and the coastal regions of China.

E) Central America, southeast Asia (southern India, the

Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, and Indonesia), Central

Africa (the Congo, Tanzania, Cameroon, Angola, Zambia, etc.), the

middle part of the Americas (southern Mexico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua,

Palau, Guatemala, Columbia, the Caribbean, etc.,) and Hawaii,

Polynesia and Samoa.

2. About what % carbohydrate (calorie %) do you eat?

3. About what % protein (calorie %) do you eat?

4. About what % fat (calorie %) do you eat?

Alternative question instead of #2, #3, and #4: what % volume-wise

of foods do you eat? Please include proteins, carbs, veggies,

fruits, and fat.

5. When you splurge, really splurge, 500 empty calories kind of

splurge, what do you eat (or would you eat)?

6. What is your favorite low-calorie and healthy food?

7. Do you feel hungry between meals? If yes:

A) A little hungry or crazy-hungry?

Low-blood-sugar hungry or empty-stomach hungry?

C) What do you do about it?

8. How long have you been CRON-ing?

9. Are you at, near, above, or below your ideal weight, according to

those old charts (or BMI = 20-25)?

10. Have you ever been overweight? Is there anything else I should

know about you?

Thank you so much for the information. Don't worry; I'm not trying

to sell you anything at all. Like I said, I need good examples. I

realize that anecdotes are not data, but I hope that enough folks

will resond that I can make some generalizations.

Thanks again,

TK

[Guest guest]

TK: it's always a good idea to ask permission before using the list for personal purposes. Netiquette requires it.

We don't get good participation when we do surveys (see the database section on our site), so good luck. It will be interesting to know how many respond to your queries.

on 8/23/2005 11:41 AM, tigerpatronus at tigerpatronus@... wrote:

Hello All,

I've been lurking and occasionally posting here for a while, and

CRON-ing for quite a few years. I'm working on some research in this

area. My hypothesis is that one's genetic background influences

one's food choices, even within a CR-framework. Since this board is

a fantastic resource of folks who are CRON-ing, I'd like to ask you

all a few questions. Please reply to this post or, if you would

prefer privacy, email me.

1. What is your predominant genetic background or which ancestors

are you most like? (Example: although I am only 1/4 Native American,

my body is an Apache. I am just like my Apache relatives in body

shape, triglycerides level, diabetes predisposition, alcohol

tolerance, gluten intolerance, etc.)

Please pick one:

A) Northern Europe (Scandinavia), Northern Asia (Russias,

Mongolia, Northwestern China), Iceland, Greenland.

Central North America, eastern South America (Brazil, etc.)

eastern Africa (Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya), Central Europe (British

Isles, northern France, northern Spain, Germany, Poland, Austria)

and parts of Asia (eastern China and northern India).

C) Southwestern North America (Apaches, Commanches, Dinae,

Akimel Au-Authm, Mexicans from northern Mexico, etc.), African-

Americans (descended from people enslaved before the Civil War),

northwestern Africa (southern Algeria, Niger, Sudan, Mali,

Mauritania, etc.), central Asia (Saudi Arabia and western China)

European-descended Australians, and people native to Australia.

D) areas of the Mediterranean, Black, and Caspian seas,

southern Europe (Greece, Italy, southern France, and Spain), the

Middle East (including Syria, Jordan, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Saudi

Arabia and the Arab states) northern Africa (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia),

Native American people from the coasts, e.g. California and Florida,

and Korea, Japan, and the coastal regions of China.

E) Central America, southeast Asia (southern India, the

Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, and Indonesia), Central

Africa (the Congo, Tanzania, Cameroon, Angola, Zambia, etc.), the

middle part of the Americas (southern Mexico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua,

Palau, Guatemala, Columbia, the Caribbean, etc.,) and Hawaii,

Polynesia and Samoa.

2. About what % carbohydrate (calorie %) do you eat?

3. About what % protein (calorie %) do you eat?

4. About what % fat (calorie %) do you eat?

Alternative question instead of #2, #3, and #4: what % volume-wise

of foods do you eat? Please include proteins, carbs, veggies,

fruits, and fat.

5. When you splurge, really splurge, 500 empty calories kind of

splurge, what do you eat (or would you eat)?

6. What is your favorite low-calorie and healthy food?

7. Do you feel hungry between meals? If yes:

A) A little hungry or crazy-hungry?

Low-blood-sugar hungry or empty-stomach hungry?

C) What do you do about it?

8. How long have you been CRON-ing?

9. Are you at, near, above, or below your ideal weight, according to

those old charts (or BMI = 20-25)?

10. Have you ever been overweight? Is there anything else I should

know about you?

Thank you so much for the information. Don't worry; I'm not trying

to sell you anything at all. Like I said, I need good examples. I

realize that anecdotes are not data, but I hope that enough folks

will resond that I can make some generalizations.

Thanks again,

TK

[Guest guest]

[ ] Your ancestors and your food choices -- poll

Hello All, I've been lurking and occasionally posting here for a while, and CRON-ing for quite a few years. I'm working on some research in this area. My hypothesis is that one's genetic background influences one's food choices, even within a CR-framework. Since this board is a fantastic resource of folks who are CRON-ing, I'd like to ask you all a few questions. Please reply to this post or, if you would prefer privacy, email me. 1. What is your predominant genetic background or which ancestors are you most like? (Example: although I am only 1/4 Native American, my body is an Apache. I am just like my Apache relatives in body shape, triglycerides level, diabetes predisposition, alcohol tolerance, gluten intolerance, etc.) Please pick one: A) Northern Europe (Scandinavia), Northern Asia (Russias, Mongolia, Northwestern China), Iceland, Greenland.

German, scotch, irish, swede, english, dutch, and whoever. 2. About what % carbohydrate (calorie %) do you eat? 603. About what % protein (calorie %) do you eat? 204. About what % fat (calorie %) do you eat? 20Alternative question instead of #2, #3, and #4: what % volume-wise of foods do you eat? Please include proteins, carbs, veggies, fruits, and fat. 5. When you splurge, really splurge, 500 empty calories kind of splurge, what do you eat (or would you eat)? carbs - french fries, but I do a little splurge of maybe 200 kcals almost daily for energy. It might be a cookie, crispy (my favorite), corn chips. 6. What is your favorite low-calorie and healthy food? peanuts

7. Do you feel hungry between meals? If yes: A) A little hungry or crazy-hungry? Low-blood-sugar hungry or empty-stomach hungry? C) What do you do about it?

If ever I feel hungry I eat peanuts, but I dont feel hungry often.

8. How long have you been CRON-ing? 5.5 yrs.9. Are you at, near, above, or below your ideal weight, according to those old charts (or BMI = 20-25)? 20# overweight, down from 74# overweight.10. Have you ever been overweight? Is there anything else I should know about you? I can't tolerate eating the same foods every day, and I can easily toss one that offends me, however tasty. I'm not in love with food. Thank you so much for the information. Don't worry; I'm not trying to sell you anything at all. Like I said, I need good examples. I realize that anecdotes are not data, but I hope that enough folks will resond that I can make some generalizations.

I think the generalization will be that everyone does CR differently.

Thanks again, TK

[Guest guest]

[ ] Your ancestors and your food choices -- poll

Hello All, I've been lurking and occasionally posting here for a while, and CRON-ing for quite a few years. I'm working on some research in this area. My hypothesis is that one's genetic background influences one's food choices, even within a CR-framework. Since this board is a fantastic resource of folks who are CRON-ing, I'd like to ask you all a few questions. Please reply to this post or, if you would prefer privacy, email me. 1. What is your predominant genetic background or which ancestors are you most like? (Example: although I am only 1/4 Native American, my body is an Apache. I am just like my Apache relatives in body shape, triglycerides level, diabetes predisposition, alcohol tolerance, gluten intolerance, etc.) Please pick one: A) Northern Europe (Scandinavia), Northern Asia (Russias, Mongolia, Northwestern China), Iceland, Greenland.

German, scotch, irish, swede, english, dutch, and whoever. 2. About what % carbohydrate (calorie %) do you eat? 603. About what % protein (calorie %) do you eat? 204. About what % fat (calorie %) do you eat? 20Alternative question instead of #2, #3, and #4: what % volume-wise of foods do you eat? Please include proteins, carbs, veggies, fruits, and fat. 5. When you splurge, really splurge, 500 empty calories kind of splurge, what do you eat (or would you eat)? carbs - french fries, but I do a little splurge of maybe 200 kcals almost daily for energy. It might be a cookie, crispy (my favorite), corn chips. 6. What is your favorite low-calorie and healthy food? peanuts

7. Do you feel hungry between meals? If yes: A) A little hungry or crazy-hungry? Low-blood-sugar hungry or empty-stomach hungry? C) What do you do about it?

If ever I feel hungry I eat peanuts, but I dont feel hungry often.

8. How long have you been CRON-ing? 5.5 yrs.9. Are you at, near, above, or below your ideal weight, according to those old charts (or BMI = 20-25)? 20# overweight, down from 74# overweight.10. Have you ever been overweight? Is there anything else I should know about you? I can't tolerate eating the same foods every day, and I can easily toss one that offends me, however tasty. I'm not in love with food. Thank you so much for the information. Don't worry; I'm not trying to sell you anything at all. Like I said, I need good examples. I realize that anecdotes are not data, but I hope that enough folks will resond that I can make some generalizations.

I think the generalization will be that everyone does CR differently.

Thanks again, TK

[Guest guest]

1-A (English/Irish/Dutch/German)

2,3,4 Don't know... haven't checked in quite a while. Avoid high GI or simple

carbs, lots of fruit, fiber, fish, and veggies. Note:

I am not a believer that macronutrient ratios alone have significance (it's

interrelated to energy balance).

5- After a few years of eating healthy I don't lust for empty calories. Perhaps

coincidentally in Jan of this year I drew a line in

the sand at 150# and have been trying to re-gain/stabilize at that weight.

Lately probably because of the hot weather I dipped down

to 146 so scheduled some extra food for last weekend. I made homemade pizza

(whole wheat dough, etc). Despite buying some hot

sausage which I didn't get around to precooking, so the pizza was vegetarian

(not by plan). Yesterday after my run I was still only

148 so I guess I need to cook up the sausage too...

6. On a pleasure per calorie basis my coffee (unsweetened black) is the clear

cut winner. I roast my own from green beans. That

said, I like all my meals, many of which are modest calorically.

7. Sunday after pigging out on my home made pizza I was stuffed (I need a

bucket).... for first time in a long time I had no desire

for my ever present sugar free chewing gum. Because of my 6 day on/one day off

workout schedule, with flat or constant energy

intake. I believe I perceive a change in cellular hunger (perhaps related to

glycogen levels) that increases over the course of the

week. Sometimes by late Friday (Sat is my day of rest) especially if I'm

standing and cooking/chopping vegetables for a few hours, I

can almost feel achy. After a day of recovery, all is well.

8. I don't know my set point and have no idea of amount of restriction if at

all. I have successfully managed (lost excess fat)

weight for maybe 4 years.

9. As I previously stated I am slightly below my personal target weight 150#

(5'-10 " ) BMI 21.5 (at least BMI I can figure).

10. Yes, I have been heavy for most of my life. As a young adult I peaked at

235#. I dieted unsuccessfully my entire adult life with

weight ranging from a previous low of 175 during my one marathon but more

typically 195-215#. It wasn't until a few years ago when I

quit my last day job and made health more of a priority that I finally gained

control of my weight. It is perhaps ironic that I am

now slightly below my target weight but I am constantly aware of how easy it

would be to return to previous patterns.

I am not yet convinced that CR will actually extend lifespan significantly

(especially for a 56 YO adult), but have little question

that modest energy restriction combined with adequate nutrition will square the

curve and perhaps extend " my " personal lifespan.

JR

[ ] Your ancestors and your food choices -- poll

Hello All,

I've been lurking and occasionally posting here for a while, and

CRON-ing for quite a few years. I'm working on some research in this

area. My hypothesis is that one's genetic background influences

one's food choices, even within a CR-framework. Since this board is

a fantastic resource of folks who are CRON-ing, I'd like to ask you

all a few questions. Please reply to this post or, if you would

prefer privacy, email me.

1. What is your predominant genetic background or which ancestors

are you most like? (Example: although I am only 1/4 Native American,

my body is an Apache. I am just like my Apache relatives in body

shape, triglycerides level, diabetes predisposition, alcohol

tolerance, gluten intolerance, etc.)

Please pick one:

A) Northern Europe (Scandinavia), Northern Asia (Russias,

Mongolia, Northwestern China), Iceland, Greenland.

Central North America, eastern South America (Brazil, etc.)

eastern Africa (Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya), Central Europe (British

Isles, northern France, northern Spain, Germany, Poland, Austria)

and parts of Asia (eastern China and northern India).

C) Southwestern North America (Apaches, Commanches, Dinae,

Akimel Au-Authm, Mexicans from northern Mexico, etc.), African-

Americans (descended from people enslaved before the Civil War),

northwestern Africa (southern Algeria, Niger, Sudan, Mali,

Mauritania, etc.), central Asia (Saudi Arabia and western China)

European-descended Australians, and people native to Australia.

D) areas of the Mediterranean, Black, and Caspian seas,

southern Europe (Greece, Italy, southern France, and Spain), the

Middle East (including Syria, Jordan, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Saudi

Arabia and the Arab states) northern Africa (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia),

Native American people from the coasts, e.g. California and Florida,

and Korea, Japan, and the coastal regions of China.

E) Central America, southeast Asia (southern India, the

Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, and Indonesia), Central

Africa (the Congo, Tanzania, Cameroon, Angola, Zambia, etc.), the

middle part of the Americas (southern Mexico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua,

Palau, Guatemala, Columbia, the Caribbean, etc.,) and Hawaii,

Polynesia and Samoa.

2. About what % carbohydrate (calorie %) do you eat?

3. About what % protein (calorie %) do you eat?

4. About what % fat (calorie %) do you eat?

Alternative question instead of #2, #3, and #4: what % volume-wise

of foods do you eat? Please include proteins, carbs, veggies,

fruits, and fat.

5. When you splurge, really splurge, 500 empty calories kind of

splurge, what do you eat (or would you eat)?

6. What is your favorite low-calorie and healthy food?

7. Do you feel hungry between meals? If yes:

A) A little hungry or crazy-hungry?

Low-blood-sugar hungry or empty-stomach hungry?

C) What do you do about it?

8. How long have you been CRON-ing?

9. Are you at, near, above, or below your ideal weight, according to

those old charts (or BMI = 20-25)?

10. Have you ever been overweight? Is there anything else I should

know about you?

Thank you so much for the information. Don't worry; I'm not trying

to sell you anything at all. Like I said, I need good examples. I

realize that anecdotes are not data, but I hope that enough folks

will resond that I can make some generalizations.

Thanks again,

TK

[Guest guest]

1-A (English/Irish/Dutch/German)

2,3,4 Don't know... haven't checked in quite a while. Avoid high GI or simple

carbs, lots of fruit, fiber, fish, and veggies. Note:

I am not a believer that macronutrient ratios alone have significance (it's

interrelated to energy balance).

5- After a few years of eating healthy I don't lust for empty calories. Perhaps

coincidentally in Jan of this year I drew a line in

the sand at 150# and have been trying to re-gain/stabilize at that weight.

Lately probably because of the hot weather I dipped down

to 146 so scheduled some extra food for last weekend. I made homemade pizza

(whole wheat dough, etc). Despite buying some hot

sausage which I didn't get around to precooking, so the pizza was vegetarian

(not by plan). Yesterday after my run I was still only

148 so I guess I need to cook up the sausage too...

6. On a pleasure per calorie basis my coffee (unsweetened black) is the clear

cut winner. I roast my own from green beans. That

said, I like all my meals, many of which are modest calorically.

7. Sunday after pigging out on my home made pizza I was stuffed (I need a

bucket).... for first time in a long time I had no desire

for my ever present sugar free chewing gum. Because of my 6 day on/one day off

workout schedule, with flat or constant energy

intake. I believe I perceive a change in cellular hunger (perhaps related to

glycogen levels) that increases over the course of the

week. Sometimes by late Friday (Sat is my day of rest) especially if I'm

standing and cooking/chopping vegetables for a few hours, I

can almost feel achy. After a day of recovery, all is well.

8. I don't know my set point and have no idea of amount of restriction if at

all. I have successfully managed (lost excess fat)

weight for maybe 4 years.

9. As I previously stated I am slightly below my personal target weight 150#

(5'-10 " ) BMI 21.5 (at least BMI I can figure).

10. Yes, I have been heavy for most of my life. As a young adult I peaked at

235#. I dieted unsuccessfully my entire adult life with

weight ranging from a previous low of 175 during my one marathon but more

typically 195-215#. It wasn't until a few years ago when I

quit my last day job and made health more of a priority that I finally gained

control of my weight. It is perhaps ironic that I am

now slightly below my target weight but I am constantly aware of how easy it

would be to return to previous patterns.

I am not yet convinced that CR will actually extend lifespan significantly

(especially for a 56 YO adult), but have little question

that modest energy restriction combined with adequate nutrition will square the

curve and perhaps extend " my " personal lifespan.

JR

[ ] Your ancestors and your food choices -- poll

Hello All,

I've been lurking and occasionally posting here for a while, and

CRON-ing for quite a few years. I'm working on some research in this

area. My hypothesis is that one's genetic background influences

one's food choices, even within a CR-framework. Since this board is

a fantastic resource of folks who are CRON-ing, I'd like to ask you

all a few questions. Please reply to this post or, if you would

prefer privacy, email me.

1. What is your predominant genetic background or which ancestors

are you most like? (Example: although I am only 1/4 Native American,

my body is an Apache. I am just like my Apache relatives in body

shape, triglycerides level, diabetes predisposition, alcohol

tolerance, gluten intolerance, etc.)

Please pick one:

A) Northern Europe (Scandinavia), Northern Asia (Russias,

Mongolia, Northwestern China), Iceland, Greenland.

Central North America, eastern South America (Brazil, etc.)

eastern Africa (Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya), Central Europe (British

Isles, northern France, northern Spain, Germany, Poland, Austria)

and parts of Asia (eastern China and northern India).

C) Southwestern North America (Apaches, Commanches, Dinae,

Akimel Au-Authm, Mexicans from northern Mexico, etc.), African-

Americans (descended from people enslaved before the Civil War),

northwestern Africa (southern Algeria, Niger, Sudan, Mali,

Mauritania, etc.), central Asia (Saudi Arabia and western China)

European-descended Australians, and people native to Australia.

D) areas of the Mediterranean, Black, and Caspian seas,

southern Europe (Greece, Italy, southern France, and Spain), the

Middle East (including Syria, Jordan, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Saudi

Arabia and the Arab states) northern Africa (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia),

Native American people from the coasts, e.g. California and Florida,

and Korea, Japan, and the coastal regions of China.

E) Central America, southeast Asia (southern India, the

Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Myanmar, and Indonesia), Central

Africa (the Congo, Tanzania, Cameroon, Angola, Zambia, etc.), the

middle part of the Americas (southern Mexico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua,

Palau, Guatemala, Columbia, the Caribbean, etc.,) and Hawaii,

Polynesia and Samoa.

2. About what % carbohydrate (calorie %) do you eat?

3. About what % protein (calorie %) do you eat?

4. About what % fat (calorie %) do you eat?

Alternative question instead of #2, #3, and #4: what % volume-wise

of foods do you eat? Please include proteins, carbs, veggies,

fruits, and fat.

5. When you splurge, really splurge, 500 empty calories kind of

splurge, what do you eat (or would you eat)?

6. What is your favorite low-calorie and healthy food?

7. Do you feel hungry between meals? If yes:

A) A little hungry or crazy-hungry?

Low-blood-sugar hungry or empty-stomach hungry?

C) What do you do about it?

8. How long have you been CRON-ing?

9. Are you at, near, above, or below your ideal weight, according to

those old charts (or BMI = 20-25)?

10. Have you ever been overweight? Is there anything else I should

know about you?

Thank you so much for the information. Don't worry; I'm not trying

to sell you anything at all. Like I said, I need good examples. I

realize that anecdotes are not data, but I hope that enough folks

will resond that I can make some generalizations.

Thanks again,

TK

[Guest guest]

Hi JW ,

Thanks so much for responding to my little questionnaire. I, too, love

peanuts, though for teeny little me (I pretend to be 5' tall), they

aren't lo-cal, but if I allowed myself, I'd chew my way through the 55-

gallon drum of them from the warehouse store. I wonder if it's the fat

or protein in them that helps with your hunger? Any theories?

And congrats on the 55 lb weight loss! Spectacular! That's really

astonishing and wonderful. I'd appreciate any other insights that you

have on weight loss and eating healthy over the long term. Feel free

to post or email.

TK

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> German, scotch, irish, swede, english, dutch, and whoever.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi JW ,

Thanks so much for responding to my little questionnaire. I, too, love

peanuts, though for teeny little me (I pretend to be 5' tall), they

aren't lo-cal, but if I allowed myself, I'd chew my way through the 55-

gallon drum of them from the warehouse store. I wonder if it's the fat

or protein in them that helps with your hunger? Any theories?

And congrats on the 55 lb weight loss! Spectacular! That's really

astonishing and wonderful. I'd appreciate any other insights that you

have on weight loss and eating healthy over the long term. Feel free

to post or email.

TK

--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@e...>

wrote:

> German, scotch, irish, swede, english, dutch, and whoever.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks so much for responding to my questionnaire. It's really great

that you took so much time to respond fully.

--- In , " " <crjohnr@b...>

Note:

> I am not a believer that macronutrient ratios alone have

significance (it's interrelated to energy balance).

I think I agree, though that is part of this survey to figure out if

it's entirely individual or if there is a universal optimal % that

helps with hunger and adherance to CRON-ing.

> 6. On a pleasure per calorie basis my coffee (unsweetened black)

is the clear cut winner. I roast my own from green beans.

Wow. And I thought I was a serious Java addict. I just buy my beans

from my cousin, who owns a coffee house and roasts his own. That's

hardcore, very impressive.

> 7. Sunday after pigging out on my home made pizza I was stuffed (I

need a bucket)....

Oh, come now, sir. Just a wafer-thin mint?

> 10. Yes, I have been heavy for most of my life. As a young adult I

peaked at 235#. I dieted unsuccessfully my entire adult life with

> weight ranging from a previous low of 175 during my one marathon

but more typically 195-215#. It wasn't until a few years ago when I

> quit my last day job and made health more of a priority that I

finally gained control of my weight. It is perhaps ironic that I am

> now slightly below my target weight but I am constantly aware of

how easy it would be to return to previous patterns.

Good for you! That's a wire-to-wire weight loss of 85 lbs!

Stupendous! If you have any other advice about adhering to a CRONie

diet, I'd love to hear it, either by posts or by email.

> I am not yet convinced that CR will actually extend lifespan

significantly (especially for a 56 YO adult), but have little

question

> that modest energy restriction combined with adequate nutrition

will square the curve and perhaps extend " my " personal lifespan.

>

Like I constantly try to explain to people about evolution, it's

possible that CRONing, too, is a population-level theory and says

little or nothing about individuals. Kind of like smoking. While

smoking increases the numbers of lung cancers in a population, my

grandmother who smoked for over 50 years is 89 yo and, while she no

longer smokes, still has no sign or lung or heart disease. However,

CRON may indeed optimize an individual's health, and I'll bet that

being 85 lbs lighter feels great!

TK

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks so much for responding to my questionnaire. It's really great

that you took so much time to respond fully.

--- In , " " <crjohnr@b...>

Note:

> I am not a believer that macronutrient ratios alone have

significance (it's interrelated to energy balance).

I think I agree, though that is part of this survey to figure out if

it's entirely individual or if there is a universal optimal % that

helps with hunger and adherance to CRON-ing.

> 6. On a pleasure per calorie basis my coffee (unsweetened black)

is the clear cut winner. I roast my own from green beans.

Wow. And I thought I was a serious Java addict. I just buy my beans

from my cousin, who owns a coffee house and roasts his own. That's

hardcore, very impressive.

> 7. Sunday after pigging out on my home made pizza I was stuffed (I

need a bucket)....

Oh, come now, sir. Just a wafer-thin mint?

> 10. Yes, I have been heavy for most of my life. As a young adult I

peaked at 235#. I dieted unsuccessfully my entire adult life with

> weight ranging from a previous low of 175 during my one marathon

but more typically 195-215#. It wasn't until a few years ago when I

> quit my last day job and made health more of a priority that I

finally gained control of my weight. It is perhaps ironic that I am

> now slightly below my target weight but I am constantly aware of

how easy it would be to return to previous patterns.

Good for you! That's a wire-to-wire weight loss of 85 lbs!

Stupendous! If you have any other advice about adhering to a CRONie

diet, I'd love to hear it, either by posts or by email.

> I am not yet convinced that CR will actually extend lifespan

significantly (especially for a 56 YO adult), but have little

question

> that modest energy restriction combined with adequate nutrition

will square the curve and perhaps extend " my " personal lifespan.

>

Like I constantly try to explain to people about evolution, it's

possible that CRONing, too, is a population-level theory and says

little or nothing about individuals. Kind of like smoking. While

smoking increases the numbers of lung cancers in a population, my

grandmother who smoked for over 50 years is 89 yo and, while she no

longer smokes, still has no sign or lung or heart disease. However,

CRON may indeed optimize an individual's health, and I'll bet that

being 85 lbs lighter feels great!

TK

[Guest guest]

I find it on-topic to share strategies that have worked for me. I can't detail

all the little tricks but will try to hit the broad

strokes. I will eventually build a vanity website where I can document in

detail.

#1- and this only works for me because I live alone and 25 miles from my

grocery,,, I must be most diligent while doing my weekly

shopping. If the food isn't in my house I can't eat it. I don't agree with the

old axiom of never shopping on an empty stomach, I

usually do my weekly marketing after not only skipping my normal dinner meal but

after playing a few hours of basketball. I find

that I have excellent impulse control in that state. Conversely I find that

eating or snacking (especially high GI) can make me much

more hungry. YMMV but main point is have discipline at the market.

One interim strategy that I used during my later adult period of not obese but

not slender was to reward myself with one small non

diet reward in my cart when shopping to satisfy my mental hunger. This snack

might throw me off diet for one day but averaged over a

week was OK.

#2- Get off the processed food grid. This requires some effort but processed

foods are a cesspool of transfats and undesirable

additives with questionable nutrition. When you build a dish from scratch you

can be fairly confident of what is in it, how it is

cooked, etc.

3#- portion control. When I was young I could eat prodigious amounts of food.

Later I developed to the point where I would save

leftovers for a second meal the next day. Now I routinely cook and parcel out to

Pyrex freezer dishes 7-8 servings. I don't avoid

meat but add enough onions, peppers (bell and Serrano, and Anaheim, and

jalapeno, and even a dose of dried habanera), squash, sweet

potato, beans, brown rice, etc. After adding all those healthy companions the

beef becomes a garnish rather than main course. Note:

the heat from hot peppers makes me thirsty which also mitigates hunger and

fullness. I drink a homemade lemonade made from lemon

juice and sucralose. While the typical meal portion may be smaller than I would

otherwise serve ad lib from a helping serving dish,

I am quite satisfied. I cook my typical lunch (salmon with rice and veggies)

about once every 2 weeks, freezing the other servings

to be microwaved later. I actually pull my frozen lunch and dinner down into the

refrigerator some 24 hours in advance of reheating.

Breakfast is a one Megamiffin, one binging brownie, and one hardboiled egg less

most of the yolk.

#4- berries/dairy. I have enjoyed Kefir, a fermented milk similar to yogurt for

years. I usually blend in frozen strawberries,

blueberries, and blackberries. Filling 12-13 recycled yogurt containers from 2

qts of fermented low fat milk. The berries supply

antioxidants (perhaps good) and the kefir fermentation converts lactose (milk

sugar) to presumably more benign alcohol.

#5- coffee, green tea, lemonade. I have sundry near zero calorie beverages I

enjoy during the day. I suspect my homebrew beer (dark

stout) which I enjoy later in the evening has more than a few calories but life

is too short to drink lousy beer, or coffee, or tea,

or whatever.

#6- Sugar free gum... I've only been using this heavily for a few months but

find chewing sugar free gum a better alternative to

eating calorie containing snacks. The activity of chewing and sweet taste is

pretty satisfying.

#7- This may be a do what I say and not what I do point, since I have always

monitored my weight. But I suggest being flexible about

weight targets. I consider it pretty important to eliminate excess fat but

wouldn't mind having back some of the muscle I

inadvertently scraped off over the years. When I was heavy I would have made a

deal with the devil to get down to 170#. Now from a

perspective 20+# below what I only dreamed about I can say it's all relative.

Weight is not all that important but it is something

that we can measure accurately (as compared to tanita BF).

These are just a few, but the most powerful concept is that I have made all of

these habits. So they are automatic. Now I must make

an effort and plan to gain weight back up to 150# (I know also an arbitrary

goal). For the record I don't mind if I spend the rest

of my life chasing 150.0# I'm in no hurry.

JR

[ ] Re: Your ancestors and your food choices --

poll

Hi ,

Thanks so much for responding to my questionnaire. It's really great

that you took so much time to respond fully.

--- In , " " <crjohnr@b...>

Note:

> I am not a believer that macronutrient ratios alone have

significance (it's interrelated to energy balance).

I think I agree, though that is part of this survey to figure out if

it's entirely individual or if there is a universal optimal % that

helps with hunger and adherance to CRON-ing.

> 6. On a pleasure per calorie basis my coffee (unsweetened black)

is the clear cut winner. I roast my own from green beans.

Wow. And I thought I was a serious Java addict. I just buy my beans

from my cousin, who owns a coffee house and roasts his own. That's

hardcore, very impressive.

> 7. Sunday after pigging out on my home made pizza I was stuffed (I

need a bucket)....

Oh, come now, sir. Just a wafer-thin mint?

> 10. Yes, I have been heavy for most of my life. As a young adult I

peaked at 235#. I dieted unsuccessfully my entire adult life with

> weight ranging from a previous low of 175 during my one marathon

but more typically 195-215#. It wasn't until a few years ago when I

> quit my last day job and made health more of a priority that I

finally gained control of my weight. It is perhaps ironic that I am

> now slightly below my target weight but I am constantly aware of

how easy it would be to return to previous patterns.

Good for you! That's a wire-to-wire weight loss of 85 lbs!

Stupendous! If you have any other advice about adhering to a CRONie

diet, I'd love to hear it, either by posts or by email.

> I am not yet convinced that CR will actually extend lifespan

significantly (especially for a 56 YO adult), but have little

question

> that modest energy restriction combined with adequate nutrition

will square the curve and perhaps extend " my " personal lifespan.

>

Like I constantly try to explain to people about evolution, it's

possible that CRONing, too, is a population-level theory and says

little or nothing about individuals. Kind of like smoking. While

smoking increases the numbers of lung cancers in a population, my

grandmother who smoked for over 50 years is 89 yo and, while she no

longer smokes, still has no sign or lung or heart disease. However,

CRON may indeed optimize an individual's health, and I'll bet that

being 85 lbs lighter feels great!

TK

[Guest guest]

I find it on-topic to share strategies that have worked for me. I can't detail

all the little tricks but will try to hit the broad

strokes. I will eventually build a vanity website where I can document in

detail.

#1- and this only works for me because I live alone and 25 miles from my

grocery,,, I must be most diligent while doing my weekly

shopping. If the food isn't in my house I can't eat it. I don't agree with the

old axiom of never shopping on an empty stomach, I

usually do my weekly marketing after not only skipping my normal dinner meal but

after playing a few hours of basketball. I find

that I have excellent impulse control in that state. Conversely I find that

eating or snacking (especially high GI) can make me much

more hungry. YMMV but main point is have discipline at the market.

One interim strategy that I used during my later adult period of not obese but

not slender was to reward myself with one small non

diet reward in my cart when shopping to satisfy my mental hunger. This snack

might throw me off diet for one day but averaged over a

week was OK.

#2- Get off the processed food grid. This requires some effort but processed

foods are a cesspool of transfats and undesirable

additives with questionable nutrition. When you build a dish from scratch you

can be fairly confident of what is in it, how it is

cooked, etc.

3#- portion control. When I was young I could eat prodigious amounts of food.

Later I developed to the point where I would save

leftovers for a second meal the next day. Now I routinely cook and parcel out to

Pyrex freezer dishes 7-8 servings. I don't avoid

meat but add enough onions, peppers (bell and Serrano, and Anaheim, and

jalapeno, and even a dose of dried habanera), squash, sweet

potato, beans, brown rice, etc. After adding all those healthy companions the

beef becomes a garnish rather than main course. Note:

the heat from hot peppers makes me thirsty which also mitigates hunger and

fullness. I drink a homemade lemonade made from lemon

juice and sucralose. While the typical meal portion may be smaller than I would

otherwise serve ad lib from a helping serving dish,

I am quite satisfied. I cook my typical lunch (salmon with rice and veggies)

about once every 2 weeks, freezing the other servings

to be microwaved later. I actually pull my frozen lunch and dinner down into the

refrigerator some 24 hours in advance of reheating.

Breakfast is a one Megamiffin, one binging brownie, and one hardboiled egg less

most of the yolk.

#4- berries/dairy. I have enjoyed Kefir, a fermented milk similar to yogurt for

years. I usually blend in frozen strawberries,

blueberries, and blackberries. Filling 12-13 recycled yogurt containers from 2

qts of fermented low fat milk. The berries supply

antioxidants (perhaps good) and the kefir fermentation converts lactose (milk

sugar) to presumably more benign alcohol.

#5- coffee, green tea, lemonade. I have sundry near zero calorie beverages I

enjoy during the day. I suspect my homebrew beer (dark

stout) which I enjoy later in the evening has more than a few calories but life

is too short to drink lousy beer, or coffee, or tea,

or whatever.

#6- Sugar free gum... I've only been using this heavily for a few months but

find chewing sugar free gum a better alternative to

eating calorie containing snacks. The activity of chewing and sweet taste is

pretty satisfying.

#7- This may be a do what I say and not what I do point, since I have always

monitored my weight. But I suggest being flexible about

weight targets. I consider it pretty important to eliminate excess fat but

wouldn't mind having back some of the muscle I

inadvertently scraped off over the years. When I was heavy I would have made a

deal with the devil to get down to 170#. Now from a

perspective 20+# below what I only dreamed about I can say it's all relative.

Weight is not all that important but it is something

that we can measure accurately (as compared to tanita BF).

These are just a few, but the most powerful concept is that I have made all of

these habits. So they are automatic. Now I must make

an effort and plan to gain weight back up to 150# (I know also an arbitrary

goal). For the record I don't mind if I spend the rest

of my life chasing 150.0# I'm in no hurry.

JR

[ ] Re: Your ancestors and your food choices --

poll

Hi ,

Thanks so much for responding to my questionnaire. It's really great

that you took so much time to respond fully.

--- In , " " <crjohnr@b...>

Note:

> I am not a believer that macronutrient ratios alone have

significance (it's interrelated to energy balance).

I think I agree, though that is part of this survey to figure out if

it's entirely individual or if there is a universal optimal % that

helps with hunger and adherance to CRON-ing.

> 6. On a pleasure per calorie basis my coffee (unsweetened black)

is the clear cut winner. I roast my own from green beans.

Wow. And I thought I was a serious Java addict. I just buy my beans

from my cousin, who owns a coffee house and roasts his own. That's

hardcore, very impressive.

> 7. Sunday after pigging out on my home made pizza I was stuffed (I

need a bucket)....

Oh, come now, sir. Just a wafer-thin mint?

> 10. Yes, I have been heavy for most of my life. As a young adult I

peaked at 235#. I dieted unsuccessfully my entire adult life with

> weight ranging from a previous low of 175 during my one marathon

but more typically 195-215#. It wasn't until a few years ago when I

> quit my last day job and made health more of a priority that I

finally gained control of my weight. It is perhaps ironic that I am

> now slightly below my target weight but I am constantly aware of

how easy it would be to return to previous patterns.

Good for you! That's a wire-to-wire weight loss of 85 lbs!

Stupendous! If you have any other advice about adhering to a CRONie

diet, I'd love to hear it, either by posts or by email.

> I am not yet convinced that CR will actually extend lifespan

significantly (especially for a 56 YO adult), but have little

question

> that modest energy restriction combined with adequate nutrition

will square the curve and perhaps extend " my " personal lifespan.

>

Like I constantly try to explain to people about evolution, it's

possible that CRONing, too, is a population-level theory and says

little or nothing about individuals. Kind of like smoking. While

smoking increases the numbers of lung cancers in a population, my

grandmother who smoked for over 50 years is 89 yo and, while she no

longer smokes, still has no sign or lung or heart disease. However,

CRON may indeed optimize an individual's health, and I'll bet that

being 85 lbs lighter feels great!

TK