Re: Sensitivity training

[Guest guest]

Dr. B:

Well stated. I agree.

And I am trying to adopt my best 'sensitivity-guy' behavior. I'm not very good at it.

Having been one whose opinion typically is in the minority, I am neither surprised nor take offense when others voice their views in opposition. All I ask is similar consideration.

It is hard for me to accept there are points of view which seem to never be resolvable, yet instead of moving on to greater issues, we tend to get caught in the swamp of our own opinions.

Let us cast off these foibles and move forth into a renewed common purpose.

Jack Pedersen, DC

New Era Curmudgeon

Re: Oregon only guidelines

Sharron:

I think you've got the idea.............

for myself,

1) I support having guidelines developed by Oregon DCs;

2) I favor modernizing them based on more recent research findings;

3) I favor OBCE facilitating the process of upgrading them;

I am reviewing Dr. Bertrand's most recent post regarding separating OBCE from OCPUG. I personally don't see the conflict and onerous aspects of what he refers to as 'government guidelines' but continue to strive to understand his point.

I share the concern of Dr. Schmidt regarding the use of the term 'medical' but as of yet have not found any specific use of that term in our Triad of Oregon Chiropractic enabling documentation: ORS, OAR, OCPUG.

yours in health,

Jack Pedersen, DC

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kiersten,

I have been thinking about your dilemma all weekend. I am so sorry that Hannah

had to experience this - you know, I usually tell my own kids, that children who

are this mean, it will come back to haunt them someday - what goes around comes

around, kwim? But, I also don't want them to seethe about it every time they

look at the child -that was such a hurtful thing, and please give Hannah another

big hug for me and tell her that SHE is the lucky one to have Alden.

 

I think your idea about having those girls spend time with you and Alden would

be perfect! Maybe you could drop in on one of the detention times, check with

the teacher first. It sounds like you are worried about the school in general.

But, since you are home during the day - I am fortunate enough to be able to be

home myself - you could make yourself and Alden visible there. I forget if Alden

goes to school all day. Olivia does, at another school, but I have brought her

in to my kids' elementary school so often, that most of the staff know her, and

lots of kids too.

 

You are on the right track with your approach, I think.

 

Patty

in Ohio

 

mom to big kids,

and 11, 9, and Olivia 7(ds)

From: Kiersten <kiersten5560@...>

Subject: Sensitivity Training

Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 8:15 PM

10-31-08

Hey all. I am posting this on all of my lists. This was

an issue that had come up on one of them. Sensitivity

training. It was mentioned by another poster and I

responded and then had an issue come up today. I would

really appreciate some feedback on this. It may be hard

for me to explain here.

I am going to try to get my thoughts in order but regarding

this issue, something came up today at my eldest daughters

Middle School. We are new in the El Paso area, living on

the Army Post (Fort Bliss) and the children are going to

the closest public school at this time. I looked into

private schools but the fact of the matter is I cannot

afford it. If I went to work full time, I could... but

then I don't see how I could do all of our medical

appointments and meet my children's needs working full time

outside of the home. I guess if it comes down to it, I

will, just to pay for school... but I would rather work

part time, if necessary, and be available to my home and

children. I digress. Sorry.

My eldest talked to me today about some kids in her class

making fun of her and her family. They said some 'not very

nice' things. This was after she talked about how special

and wonderful her little brother is. She was not expecting

the cruelty because she is just not like that nor is she

used to it. She mentioned his pacemaker and what a miracle

he is and was just being happy to share about her little

brother, who she loves tremendously. Two kids really went

to town about how her entire family must be retarded, made

faces, said cruel things about me, etc. They wouldn't stop

and she never experienced this before. She couldn't help

but cry, the teacher found out, and I guess these two kids

received detention next week. She talked to me afterward

and cried again. I felt so badly for her. She did tell

the teacher that, " My Mom warned me about people like

this " . At least she was sort of prepared but her heart was

hurt so much. I asked her what she thought would be the

next step and she wants me to bring Alden into her class

and talk about it. I am going to email the teachers that I

can this weekend.

Kids are cruel. But I know that they are just kids. Kids

learn to be cruel from home and from society. I think that

they SHOULD be held accountable for their actions yet I

wonder if a 2 hr. detention all week is really going to do

any good. I think they should have to be with ME and ALDEN

after school for an hour of play time and talk time. Not

just sitting in detention feeling angry and justifying

their bad actions to themselves and each other.

Well. I wish I could get my head wrapped around this issue

but we will be here on the border for a few years and I

sure would like to make a difference since we live here

now.

Let me know what you think, please send any suggestions,

and I will share any notes passed on to Hannah, my

daughter. If anything, I want my kids to learn how to

intelligently stand up for themselves and their brother.

Thanks in advance, Kiersten

[Guest guest]

I would ask the teachers if you and Alden can be present during their

detentions. The teacher then should have them write up a letter of apology

and turn in a paper on down syndrome. Middle school kids can be so cruel.

Does Fort Bliss not have schools on post? I loved to watch the kids at Camp

Lejeune walk/ride their bikes to and from school---it reminded me of my

school days back in the 60's and 70's. I would think the kids attending

school on base would be held more accountable than public schools?!?!

Sensitivity Training

> 10-31-08

> Hey all. I am posting this on all of my lists. This was

> an issue that had come up on one of them. Sensitivity

> training. It was mentioned by another poster and I

> responded and then had an issue come up today. I would

> really appreciate some feedback on this. It may be hard

> for me to explain here.

>

> I am going to try to get my thoughts in order but regarding

> this issue, something came up today at my eldest daughters

> Middle School. We are new in the El Paso area, living on

> the Army Post (Fort Bliss) and the children are going to

> the closest public school at this time. I looked into

> private schools but the fact of the matter is I cannot

> afford it. If I went to work full time, I could... but

> then I don't see how I could do all of our medical

> appointments and meet my children's needs working full time

> outside of the home. I guess if it comes down to it, I

> will, just to pay for school... but I would rather work

> part time, if necessary, and be available to my home and

> children. I digress. Sorry.

>

> My eldest talked to me today about some kids in her class

> making fun of her and her family. They said some 'not very

> nice' things. This was after she talked about how special

> and wonderful her little brother is. She was not expecting

> the cruelty because she is just not like that nor is she

> used to it. She mentioned his pacemaker and what a miracle

> he is and was just being happy to share about her little

> brother, who she loves tremendously. Two kids really went

> to town about how her entire family must be retarded, made

> faces, said cruel things about me, etc. They wouldn't stop

> and she never experienced this before. She couldn't help

> but cry, the teacher found out, and I guess these two kids

> received detention next week. She talked to me afterward

> and cried again. I felt so badly for her. She did tell

> the teacher that, " My Mom warned me about people like

> this " . At least she was sort of prepared but her heart was

> hurt so much. I asked her what she thought would be the

> next step and she wants me to bring Alden into her class

> and talk about it. I am going to email the teachers that I

> can this weekend.

>

> Kids are cruel. But I know that they are just kids. Kids

> learn to be cruel from home and from society. I think that

> they SHOULD be held accountable for their actions yet I

> wonder if a 2 hr. detention all week is really going to do

> any good. I think they should have to be with ME and ALDEN

> after school for an hour of play time and talk time. Not

> just sitting in detention feeling angry and justifying

> their bad actions to themselves and each other.

>

> Well. I wish I could get my head wrapped around this issue

> but we will be here on the border for a few years and I

> sure would like to make a difference since we live here

> now.

>

> Let me know what you think, please send any suggestions,

> and I will share any notes passed on to Hannah, my

> daughter. If anything, I want my kids to learn how to

> intelligently stand up for themselves and their brother.

>

> Thanks in advance, Kiersten

>

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